Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

So can I ask the thought provoking question - what are you guys going to think/do next once I flip town?

[EspressoPatronum]

So can I ask the thought provoking question - what are you guys going to think/do next once I flip town?

They're going to lynch me and lose the game.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Worcej:

You haven't helped your cause by self voting, end hammering, and generally being a huge crybaby.

Let me ask you a hopefully productive question:

Do you think EP is scum?
And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to?

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh I see Bo is also on board.

Okay!

##VOTE ESPRESSO

[Jamiet99uk]

Note: I have recovered well from surgery and am going home from hospital today.

[Nephthys]

Vote Count

worcej (4) xorxes bozotheclown Foxcastle flash2015
EspressoPatronum (3) foodcoats bo_sox48 Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (2) worcej EspressoPatronum

Worcej is set to be lynched

8hrs 25 mins remain in D6

[xorxes]

So can I ask the thought provoking question - what are you guys going to think/do next once I flip town?

If we mislynch today, we will be at lylo/mylo tomorrow, so smug is the wrong attitude for town!worcej to have at this point. If you are town, what do you think happened Day 3:

Vapor (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo Hosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vapor
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Why were three or four scum voting for Vapor? Besides Jamiet, who do you think are the other two scum? Are you so certain Jamiet is scum that you are willing to risk wasting his Oracle power if you are wrong?

[bozotheclown]

I have not seen anything today to cause doubt that worcej, Jamie, and Espresso are the scum team bussing each other. worcej and Jamie talking about different plans for Percy's scan appear to be just for show, as Percy was sure to get NKed if he was town.

[bozotheclown]

So...

Seeing now that the claims are actually totally fucky... like, it would be better if Jamie had not claimed Oracle, because if town now their ability will not fire unless we lynch them, and if scum they will slide into end game... is this in any way an indictment of bozo? I was doing bozo's iso yesterday but it was so squeaky clean, but he was adamant AF on Day 1 about the mass claiming. And I would seriously argue that claims have allowed scum to pick off the PRs at the right moment this whole game, and with a few exceptions we are not really able to verify the claims.

So you think bozo would be a better lynch currently? I think I am following you logic, but I am struggling to find bozo inherently scummy - I find him mostly just bad.

Remembering the last game bozo was scum though, he had a tendency to avoid being on the wagons and played the distance game. However he is not doing that this game. In fact, he has mostly been voting on the top wagon, except for D2 when he was on Chaqa (who lost by only 1 vote).

bozo really hasn't left much of an impression on me with what he has said other than his bad ideas. It feels like there is a lot of fluff or a decent bit of bad questions. I do find it funny that upon reading recently, even he pointed out Jamie is setting up Percy to die (said this on N5) and now is voting me because I am bussing Jamie...

This is interesting, since worcej is bringing up the last time I was mafia to apparently say why he does not think I am mafia this game, but at the same time fabricating facts to do so. Anyone can review M45 and see that the part about me avoiding the wagons in that game is not true. Maybe that was the point, for someone to point out that he was wrong and therefore I am really doing the same thing I did as scum?

[ItsHosuke]

Honestly, why is everyone scum-reading worcej at this time? He really doesn’t seem scummy imho

[ItsHosuke]

And why would scum!Chaqa, likely to have his identity revealed after worcej pushed hard for his lynch, be the first one to bring up possible scum v scum Ee: tracker

[ItsHosuke]

And why would scum!Chaqa, likely to have his identity revealed after worcej pushed hard for his lynch, be the first one to bring up possible scum v scum Ee: tracker

*re, not ee

[ItsHosuke]

##vote jamiet

[worcej]

So...

Seeing now that the claims are actually totally fucky... like, it would be better if Jamie had not claimed Oracle, because if town now their ability will not fire unless we lynch them, and if scum they will slide into end game... is this in any way an indictment of bozo? I was doing bozo's iso yesterday but it was so squeaky clean, but he was adamant AF on Day 1 about the mass claiming. And I would seriously argue that claims have allowed scum to pick off the PRs at the right moment this whole game, and with a few exceptions we are not really able to verify the claims.

So you think bozo would be a better lynch currently? I think I am following you logic, but I am struggling to find bozo inherently scummy - I find him mostly just bad.

Remembering the last game bozo was scum though, he had a tendency to avoid being on the wagons and played the distance game. However he is not doing that this game. In fact, he has mostly been voting on the top wagon, except for D2 when he was on Chaqa (who lost by only 1 vote).

bozo really hasn't left much of an impression on me with what he has said other than his bad ideas. It feels like there is a lot of fluff or a decent bit of bad questions. I do find it funny that upon reading recently, even he pointed out Jamie is setting up Percy to die (said this on N5) and now is voting me because I am bussing Jamie...

This is interesting, since worcej is bringing up the last time I was mafia to apparently say why he does not think I am mafia this game, but at the same time fabricating facts to do so. Anyone can review M45 and see that the part about me avoiding the wagons in that game is not true. Maybe that was the point, for someone to point out that he was wrong and therefore I am really doing the same thing I did as scum?

The error is I forgot you were scum in M45. I was referring to the game me, Bo_, and ND lost to you and rdr. That was 43 or something.

You and rdr voted each other a lot and avoided wagons most of that game.

And also, my read you are reacting to is I think you are bad town, not scum atm...

[worcej]

I have not seen anything today to cause doubt that worcej, Jamie, and Espresso are the scum team bussing each other. worcej and Jamie talking about different plans for Percy's scan appear to be just for show, as Percy was sure to get NKed if he was town.

To be clear, do you think my potential scum game is that good to pull that off?

I think I am a good 3rd party player, but I blow at scum because I am bad at fabricating a narrative and reads.

[worcej]

@Worcej:

You haven't helped your cause by self voting, end hammering, and generally being a huge crybaby.

Let me ask you a hopefully productive question:

Do you think EP is scum?
And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to?

Woah now, I don't think I have cried in the slightest this day. Spam/Troll, yes for sure. But cry? Nah.

Do I think EP is scum? No I do not. The only way I think he is scum is if xorxes turns out to be scum. I'll get into this more down below.

And, why do you think only Foodvoast and myself were willing to vote him today, despite there being widespread support yesterday for the idea of hanging both Tracker claimants? Where has that disappeared to? Woah there kiddo, I have had my butt on the chopping block possibly more than EP. I think that 'support' is dumped right into voting for me atm.

I have not seen anything today to cause doubt that worcej, Jamie, and Espresso are the scum team bussing each other. worcej and Jamie talking about different plans for Percy's scan appear to be just for show, as Percy was sure to get NKed if he was town.

Your right with 2/3 as a possible scum team in my thoughts now, but it is hyper dependent on one thing...

So can I ask the thought provoking question - what are you guys going to think/do next once I flip town?

If we mislynch today, we will be at lylo/mylo tomorrow, so smug is the wrong attitude for town!worcej to have at this point. If you are town, what do you think happened Day 3:

Vapor (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo Hosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vapor
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Why were three or four scum voting for Vapor? Besides Jamiet, who do you think are the other two scum? Are you so certain Jamiet is scum that you are willing to risk wasting his Oracle power if you are wrong?

Here is my meat, and a response for you: everything on my thought process depends on xorxes flip. And I think ultimately that if you xorxes flips scum, the remaining teammates are EP and Jamie.

Now that I am putting effort into this read of xorxes, these are my factors why I am inclined to think he is scum at this point and that EP and Jamie are dependent on this situation:

1. If xorxes is scum, then the gamble on double scum tracker claims makes sense because they are trying to generate a clear for later on D4. They know xorxes is facing potential death on D7, so they need another late game guy to make it and making a semi-clear to hopefully ride it out is the most plausible. The thing they probably didn't expect was the push and eventual lynch of Chaqa.
2. xorxes defended and tried to protect Chaqa on D4 pretty hard - this was seen in his bad math, statements like 'I want Tom to live longer, thus Chaqa shouldn't be lynched' (which made no sense), countering bozo's arguments, and kept fighting the scum reads people put on him during the end as he defended chaqa.
3. xorxes also fits scum at this point because the push he made on the masons to reveal themselves (and create clears) which allows the scum to keep a pool of suspects around (such as myself, food, flash, bo, and bozo) around to spread doubt around about.
4. If you look at xorxes most of this game, he hasn't really been driving anything. Using analogy, he has been that more annoying 'backseat driver' that pokes at you about how you're driving instead of telling you where to go. He asks questions, pokes at the responses, dismisses some pushes, but what case has he built himself? I can't seem to find much in this game.

So yeah, there you go. I choose scum!xorxes over town!xorxes. It fits the mold pretty well. And I think he's desperate to set a mislynch up right now because he knows he is fucked on D7.

And btw, I am more firm in my read of Jamie as scum than EP. I am just stating it makes sense that EP could be scum in this scenario. I want Jamie's flip first before I would lynch EP.

Also, this may be my last post for the game - my morning at work will be a little busier than normal and then I have my meeting right @ EOD.

[worcej]

And legit, food/flash could just as easily be with Jamie/xorxes, but the desperation to create a clear is more evident if xorxes is scum. That desperation could lead to SvS tracker claims.

[Jamiet99uk]

The problem with all of this, Worcej, is that I am town and your analysis of other people is now based on the assumption that I am definitely scum.

[flash2015]

Honestly, why is everyone scum-reading worcej at this time? He really doesn’t seem scummy imho

Have you not read the thread? Like the issue with him softing Oracle? Or the back-and-forth with Jamie where he approves Jamie's plan...then after Percy gets NK then scum reads Jamie for proposing it?

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Hosuke has kinda switched off since he was cleared. Come on, ItsHosuke, let's get involved.

Why are you voting for me?
Who are your other scumreads?
Do you think Espresso is scum?