Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[flash2015]

OK, so Percy was the role cop.

[foodcoats]

Welp. The whole thing is WIFOM as fuck but on balance I think EP is more likely to be scum here than not.

##VOTE EspressoPatronum

[foodcoats]

OK, so Percy was the role cop.

Ah, thank you. Missed that.

[foodcoats]

Worcej is still scum. Lynch him. (I could see him leaving me alive and NK'ing ItsHosuke to sow doubt, but it won't work.)

If worcej is scum, why did they ham so hard to flog Chaqa? worcej led the charge on that quadratic elimination. Like, with great spirit.

[bo_sox48]

Could have also been looking for towncred in the event town saw through the plan down the road, figuring that with the counterclaim he was mathematically safe. He was clearly surprised that we chose to lynch him.

Chaqa and his team should've realized the problem with claiming Lover. I am thankful that indeed it was a scum role for them to claim because it did net Chaqa into mathematically needing to be killed regardless of reads.

Chaqa is a good player. I suspect he probably did this on purpose hoping that he would get lynched and so he could use his cow power.

This doesn’t make any sense. What did his cow power have to do with his claim?

[worcej]

I somewhat figured based on how the discussions went that this would be the result. Because of that, I actually would like to propose the following: We should lynch Jamie.

While my original plan had the flaw of if Percy was scum, it would result in a flip on Jamie no matter what. Jamie's modified plan had only one weakness - that if Percy died it was completely moot. Now he has built into a defense for himself that he should not be flipped because he targeted Percy.

I think it is relatively convenient to want to drive the plan, like he did, towards this outcome. Scum!Jamie's hands were forced to have to kill Percy this way while providing an out for himself now for D6.

Beyond that, I've just felt off on Jamie this game. Hard to explain, but it doesn't seem like the normal town!Jamie performance.

Thoughts anyone?

[foodcoats]

I somewhat figured based on how the discussions went that this would be the result. Because of that, I actually would like to propose the following: We should lynch Jamie.

While my original plan had the flaw of if Percy was scum, it would result in a flip on Jamie no matter what. Jamie's modified plan had only one weakness - that if Percy died it was completely moot. Now he has built into a defense for himself that he should not be flipped because he targeted Percy.

I think it is relatively convenient to want to drive the plan, like he did, towards this outcome. Scum!Jamie's hands were forced to have to kill Percy this way while providing an out for himself now for D6.

Beyond that, I've just felt off on Jamie this game. Hard to explain, but it doesn't seem like the normal town!Jamie performance.

Thoughts anyone?

So...

@Percy - You should, imo, scan Jamie. Depending on what you get, we do the following:

1. If he is scum, you announce and we lynch him.
2. If he is town, we still lynch him. His oracle claim is confirmed and you become a clear and he can target another person.

While I am pretty much saying 'Hey Jamie, you die D6', this presents us with the opportunity to get a scum (Jamie or Percy depending on the report) and another clear or another scum (whoever Jamie targets).

This also forces the scum to choose: kill Percy before he can scan or kill a clear. Either way, someone is eliminated from the 'possible scum' pool and we're closer to winning this game for town.

This does pretty much force scum to NK either me or Percy, though, Worcej.

Huh.

[foodcoats]

Jamie does not strike me as the manipulative one in this series of events.

[xorxes]

Day 1

emc (6) Fox Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) Hosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Day 2

emc (6) Fox Jamiet Espresso flash xorxes Chaqa
Chaqa (5) bozo rdrivera Vaporwave foodcoats bo_sox
bozo (3) Percy emc damo
Percy (1) dargo
damo (1) ItsHosuke
Hosuke (1) worcej
dargo (1) brainbomb

Day 3

Vapor (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo Hosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vapor
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Day 4

Chaqa (5) bozo worcej bo_sox foodcoats Espresso
dargo (2) Hosuke Chaqa
Espresso (1) dargo
flash (1) flash
bozo (1) Percy
worcej (1) xorxes
Fox (1) Fox
bo_sox (1) Tom
Jamiet (1) Jamiet

Day 5

dargo (9) xorxes Espresso flash Jamiet Hosuke bo_sox worcej Fox bozo
Espresso (3) dargo foodcoats Percy

[xorxes]

I somewhat figured based on how the discussions went that this would be the result. Because of that, I actually would like to propose the following: We should lynch Jamie.

While my original plan had the flaw of if Percy was scum, it would result in a flip on Jamie no matter what. Jamie's modified plan had only one weakness - that if Percy died it was completely moot. Now he has built into a defense for himself that he should not be flipped because he targeted Percy.

I think it is relatively convenient to want to drive the plan, like he did, towards this outcome. Scum!Jamie's hands were forced to have to kill Percy this way while providing an out for himself now for D6.

Beyond that, I've just felt off on Jamie this game. Hard to explain, but it doesn't seem like the normal town!Jamie performance.

Thoughts anyone?

I'm pretty sure Jamie is scum, so I wouldn't object too strongly if people wanted to lynch him today.

However, you know perfectly well he won't be lynched today because mechanically it makes sense to wait one more day on the off chance that he is telling the truth about being the Oracle. Since you know that the lynch won't happen today, my theory is that you are proposing it to gain towncred in case he gets lynched before you do, or to give Jamie towncred after your flip.

I think ##VOTE worcej is the correct lynch today. He is the most likely of my main suspects to have the double vote.

@worcej, who would you want to lynch today if there's no traction for Jamie?

[xorxes]

Jamie does not strike me as the manipulative one in this series of events.

If he is scum, he knew that the plan to scan Percy bought him another day. If he is town, it was the correct Oracle target anyway, so this whole thing is pretty much NAI. We probably shouldn't focus on Jamie today, especially if he won't be here because he's in hospital. It makes sense to wait until D7.

[Jamiet99uk]

I somewhat figured based on how the discussions went that this would be the result. Because of that, I actually would like to propose the following: We should lynch Jamie.

While my original plan had the flaw of if Percy was scum, it would result in a flip on Jamie no matter what. Jamie's modified plan had only one weakness - that if Percy died it was completely moot. Now he has built into a defense for himself that he should not be flipped because he targeted Percy.

I think it is relatively convenient to want to drive the plan, like he did, towards this outcome. Scum!Jamie's hands were forced to have to kill Percy this way while providing an out for himself now for D6.

Beyond that, I've just felt off on Jamie this game. Hard to explain, but it doesn't seem like the normal town!Jamie performance.

Thoughts anyone?

You were in full agreement with the plan, and what's more, your own plan put Percy at serious NK risk too, as you admitted at the time.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is your reveal still set to Percy, Jamiet?

Yes I'm afraid it is.

Lynching me today therefore confirms I'm the Oracle (by killing me) but achieves nothing else.

Aren't we supposed to be lynching Espresso today?

[Jamiet99uk]

As an update, I am probably having surgery tomorrow rather than tonight. I'll participate where and when I can.

[flash2015]

As an update, I am probably having surgery tomorrow rather than tonight. I'll participate where and when I can.

Good luck! Hope it isn't something serious.

[Foxcastle]

As an update, I am probably having surgery tomorrow rather than tonight. I'll participate where and when I can.

Good luck! Hope it isn't something serious.

Ditto

[foodcoats]

Jamie does not strike me as the manipulative one in this series of events.

If he is scum, he knew that the plan to scan Percy bought him another day. If he is town, it was the correct Oracle target anyway, so this whole thing is pretty much NAI. We probably shouldn't focus on Jamie today, especially if he won't be here because he's in hospital. It makes sense to wait until D7.

Sorry, what I was trying to say is, it looks like worcej helped along to make Jamie's oracle plan be accepted, and then swooped in at start of day to say the plan that they crafted together points to Jamie being scum. That makes worcej look really scummy to me, it looks like worcej is trying to trap Jaime.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie does not strike me as the manipulative one in this series of events.

If he is scum, he knew that the plan to scan Percy bought him another day. If he is town, it was the correct Oracle target anyway, so this whole thing is pretty much NAI. We probably shouldn't focus on Jamie today, especially if he won't be here because he's in hospital. It makes sense to wait until D7.

Sorry, what I was trying to say is, it looks like worcej helped along to make Jamie's oracle plan be accepted, and then swooped in at start of day to say the plan that they crafted together points to Jamie being scum. That makes worcej look really scummy to me, it looks like worcej is trying to trap Jaime.

Yes that's what he could very well be doing.

[bozotheclown]

Jamie does not strike me as the manipulative one in this series of events.

If he is scum, he knew that the plan to scan Percy bought him another day. If he is town, it was the correct Oracle target anyway, so this whole thing is pretty much NAI. We probably shouldn't focus on Jamie today, especially if he won't be here because he's in hospital. It makes sense to wait until D7.

Sorry, what I was trying to say is, it looks like worcej helped along to make Jamie's oracle plan be accepted, and then swooped in at start of day to say the plan that they crafted together points to Jamie being scum. That makes worcej look really scummy to me, it looks like worcej is trying to trap Jaime.

It is more likely worcej is starting to bus Jamie.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE worcej