Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[foodcoats]

What does everyone think of worcej moving from EP to darg because of fear of a tie? It was certainly technically possible, but was it likely? Would scum ever try to tie it there? With no lover or cow and the teams 8-4, there's no mega turn to be had. It seems like that scenario would've been insane brinksmanship.

[xorxes]

I was going to propose it the other way around:

- I set my reveal to Percy.
- Percy scans someone OTHER than me (and not Xorxes either) and declares his target at the last moment of EoN.
- If both Percy and I survive the NK, then lynch me.
- This either (a)townclears Percy and confirms the accuracy of his scan, or (b) proves Percy is scum.

That's the strategy I was going to suggest as well. If they kill Percy, your reveal becomes useless, but we just lynch someone else tomorrow and you can change your target N6 (there's no roleblocker now so that's not an issue anymore). I don't have a problem with delaying your lynch one day if that is the case.

@Percy, you should scan someone from bo_sox, bozo, Espresso, flash, food, worcej. I have a preference but it's probably better if you decide by yourself. You don't really need to announce it before EON. If you die, it's useless anyway, if you live, you tell us first thing D6. Don't announce it at night so scum can't use it to decide whether they kill you or not.

[foodcoats]

The evidence suggests that tracker was one of the fake roles, so it appears the remaining scum are worcej, Jamie, and Espresso, as hard as it is to believe bo_sox is town.

Espresso bussing Jamie probably means Jamie really is the power thief. worcej is probably the human, since he has not been bussed much. When Espresso claimed tracker, he demonstrate a knowledge that it was possible there was no killer. This was not obvious to me, since even with the roles assigned randomly, it was possible the mafia was guaranteed to have a killer, the same way the masons were guaranteed to be both town or both mafia. This probably means there is no killer, so Espresso is probably the goon, since the janitor power was not used.

What do you mean by "the evidence?" I think it's logical. Is there something empirical you're referring to?

I'm wondering what it means that darg fought so lamely and that the wagon was crushing.

Besides two scum claiming tracker in an attempt to clear one being the most logical explanation for dargorygel counterclaiming when he was almost certainly to be lynched first, there is other evidence that tracker was a scum fake role. First, it appears the mafia RBed Vapor D3 to set him up for the lynch, indicating they were not concerned with the tracker. Second, as
xorxes suggested, the mafia did not seem concerned with damo being the tracker, although I am not sure damo did not excluded that himself with how he hinted his role. Also, if you believe as I do that Jamie crumbed multiple scum roles, shell suit could have been a crumb for tracker since a shell suit is a type of track suit. I think Espresso not knowing the tracker could track any mafia performing the NK is further evidence he is not the tracker.

Fair points about the tracker. I'll have to look at the Jamie thing.

[xorxes]

What does everyone think of worcej moving from EP to darg because of fear of a tie? It was certainly technically possible, but was it likely? Would scum ever try to tie it there? With no lover or cow and the teams 8-4, there's no mega turn to be had. It seems like that scenario would've been insane brinksmanship.

I suppose it depends on who has the double vote, whether they are one of the top suspects or a deep threat. I agree it wasn't likley that they expose themselves like that but I don't think it's necessarily a scummy move by itself.

[foodcoats]

Bozo, what was the purpose of your last minute swan dive onto darg?

[EspressoPatronum]

I'm at the flip right now.

Part of me is hoping the next two pages will be full of, "wow, great job everyone! Now we can all stop baiting the maf by pretending it was SvS. Full clear for EP!" And then I can ride off into the sunset.

...but part of me is a fool, isn't it?

[EspressoPatronum]

The evidence suggests that tracker was one of the fake roles, so it appears the remaining scum are worcej, Jamie, and Espresso, as hard as it is to believe bo_sox is town.

Espresso bussing Jamie probably means Jamie really is the power thief. worcej is probably the human, since he has not been bussed much. When Espresso claimed tracker, he demonstrate a knowledge that it was possible there was no killer. This was not obvious to me, since even with the roles assigned randomly, it was possible the mafia was guaranteed to have a killer, the same way the masons were guaranteed to be both town or both mafia. This probably means there is no killer, so Espresso is probably the goon, since the janitor power was not used.

Jesus... I make a janitor assumption and get pushed by Jamie. So then I carefully read all the roles and make sure I don't make a similar assumption. I factor in the chance that we don't have the ant.....and now I'm getting pushed by you for it.

You can't win, man.

[EspressoPatronum]

I was going to propose it the other way around:

- I set my reveal to Percy.
- Percy scans someone OTHER than me (and not Xorxes either) and declares his target at the last moment of EoN.
- If both Percy and I survive the NK, then lynch me.
- This either (a)townclears Percy and confirms the accuracy of his scan, or (b) proves Percy is scum.

Good plan. I support this.

[EspressoPatronum]

Now that you know I was telling the truth about darg, you can all look back at the scum pushing bozo with the same information I had.

Thoughts?

Was scum bussing bozo, or did they decide to hard push town!bozo all game?
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Fyi - the tracker #s I posted earlier are drastically lower now that we know darg was the RBer.

[flash2015]

Now that you know I was telling the truth about darg, you can all look back at the scum pushing bozo with the same information I had.

Thoughts?

Was scum bussing bozo, or did they decide to hard push town!bozo all game?
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Fyi - the tracker #s I posted earlier are drastically lower now that we know darg was the RBer.

Are you referring to your calculations of whether xorxes/bozo could be potentially scum?

[EspressoPatronum]

Now that you know I was telling the truth about darg, you can all look back at the scum pushing bozo with the same information I had.

Thoughts?

Was scum bussing bozo, or did they decide to hard push town!bozo all game?
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Fyi - the tracker #s I posted earlier are drastically lower now that we know darg was the RBer.

Are you referring to your calculations of whether xorxes/bozo could be potentially scum?

Yes

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, what was the purpose of your last minute swan dive onto darg?

The only real purpose it served was to see who would react to it.

[bozotheclown]

The evidence suggests that tracker was one of the fake roles, so it appears the remaining scum are worcej, Jamie, and Espresso, as hard as it is to believe bo_sox is town.

Espresso bussing Jamie probably means Jamie really is the power thief. worcej is probably the human, since he has not been bussed much. When Espresso claimed tracker, he demonstrate a knowledge that it was possible there was no killer. This was not obvious to me, since even with the roles assigned randomly, it was possible the mafia was guaranteed to have a killer, the same way the masons were guaranteed to be both town or both mafia. This probably means there is no killer, so Espresso is probably the goon, since the janitor power was not used.

Jesus... I make a janitor assumption and get pushed by Jamie. So then I carefully read all the roles and make sure I don't make a similar assumption. I factor in the chance that we don't have the ant.....and now I'm getting pushed by you for it.

You can't win, man.

That is just why I am guessing there is no killer if you are mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Now that you know I was telling the truth about darg, you can all look back at the scum pushing bozo with the same information I had.

Thoughts?

Was scum bussing bozo, or did they decide to hard push town!bozo all game?
_____

Fyi - the tracker #s I posted earlier are drastically lower now that we know darg was the RBer.

I really do not see how you can characterize dargorygel as pushing me hard all game.

[EspressoPatronum]

The evidence suggests that tracker was one of the fake roles, so it appears the remaining scum are worcej, Jamie, and Espresso, as hard as it is to believe bo_sox is town.

Espresso bussing Jamie probably means Jamie really is the power thief. worcej is probably the human, since he has not been bussed much. When Espresso claimed tracker, he demonstrate a knowledge that it was possible there was no killer. This was not obvious to me, since even with the roles assigned randomly, it was possible the mafia was guaranteed to have a killer, the same way the masons were guaranteed to be both town or both mafia. This probably means there is no killer, so Espresso is probably the goon, since the janitor power was not used.

Jesus... I make a janitor assumption and get pushed by Jamie. So then I carefully read all the roles and make sure I don't make a similar assumption. I factor in the chance that we don't have the ant.....and now I'm getting pushed by you for it.

You can't win, man.

That is just why I am guessing there is no killer if you are mafia.

How would you have reacted if I assumed we had the ant? Would you have said I have insider knowledge and I am therefore scum?

[bo_sox48]

Bozo, what was the purpose of your last minute swan dive onto darg?

The only real purpose it served was to see who would react to it.

What did you gleam from my reaction to your clever reaction test?

[xorxes]

Just fixing damo that I had left in black.

Day 1

emc (6) Fox Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) Hosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Day 2

emc (6) Fox Jamiet Espresso flash xorxes Chaqa
Chaqa (5) bozo rdrivera Vaporwave foodcoats bo_sox
bozo (3) Percy emc damo
Percy (1) dargo
damo (1) ItsHosuke
Hosuke (1) worcej
dargo (1) brainbomb

Day 3

Vapor (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo Hosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vapor
Espresso (1) foodcoats

Day 4

Chaqa (5) bozo worcej bo_sox foodcoats Espresso
dargo (2) Hosuke Chaqa
Espresso (1) dargo
flash (1) flash
bozo (1) Percy
worcej (1) xorxes
Fox (1) Fox
bo_sox (1) Tom
Jamiet (1) Jamiet

Day 5

dargo (9) xorxes Espresso flash Jamiet Hosuke bo_sox worcej Fox bozo
Espresso (3) dargo foodcoats Percy

[xorxes]

When we combine/intersect vapor's RB, and his suggestion of flash...

Maybe those things point to our first scum.

##vote flash2015

I think this makes flash look pretty good. Here's dargo telling us why he roleblocked Vapor.

[foodcoats]

Now that you know I was telling the truth about darg, you can all look back at the scum pushing bozo with the same information I had.

Thoughts?

Was scum bussing bozo, or did they decide to hard push town!bozo all game?
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Fyi - the tracker #s I posted earlier are drastically lower now that we know darg was the RBer.

Do you mean darg attacking bozo? Or Chaqa? Or both?

[bozotheclown]

The evidence suggests that tracker was one of the fake roles, so it appears the remaining scum are worcej, Jamie, and Espresso, as hard as it is to believe bo_sox is town.

This is where I stopped reading, because I don’t give a rat’s ass what your opinion is so long as you are constantly badgering and antagonizing me. You have played terribly to this point. You have proposed stupid idea after stupid idea to go along with stupid question after stupid question. I spent days ignoring the stupidity because I townread you, and I didn’t go out of my way as town to mess with a relationship, neutral or otherwise, that may grow into something of an alliance later. I see no reason why you as town would be so madly focused on me even when you are apparently certain, beyond all your intuition, that I’m town. It makes no sense to me why you keep on doing this unless my townread is wrong and you’re just leaving the door open to flip right back to me. Currently, I think you’re just an annoying jackass, but you’re clawing that door open with all you’ve got.

Do you even care that I’m town? Do you care that I could continue letting your spite cloud - no, destroy - my reasoning when it comes to you and the cases you propose?

You are playing one of the worst somehow likely town games I have ever witnessed, but unlike you, I’m only telling you that because you’re antagonizing me. I’ll go back to keeping my fucking mouth shut once you do.

First, if you think I am singling you out to badger and antagonize, then you have not been paying much attention, just ask xorxes. My approach to dealing with you is certainly not based in spite. I tend to find things I do not agree with suspicious, and ask about them to determine if my suspicion is warranted.

Second, I do care if you are town, because I do not want to mislynch town. I think you are likely town, but I question that for a few reasons: I question your D1 scum read of rdrivera, you did not take the opportunity to clear yourself D1 as bulletproof, and you joined worcej in personally insulting me instead of explaining why you disagreed with me (see example below).

So worcej now claims he was softing oracle to protect town PRs and draw the NK, but D3 he acknowledged that softing oracle would make scum less likely to vote for him when he claimed he scum read bo_sox for switching his vote to Vapor as a result of him softing oracle.

I would be willing to lynch worcej today.

##VOTE worcej

....

I cannot fix stupid.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Finally, I think worcej is personally insulting me because he is scum trying to discredit me in some way. I am not sure why you are doing it. If you just think it is part of the game that is fine, but considering you are site administrator, and as far as I know this site does not have any age restrictions, you might want to reconsider your approach before you insult someone who might actually take it personally.