Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Remember when we put Dargo/Espresso aside and just lynched scum? That was pretty great. Let's do it again. ##VOTE WORCEJ

There is one guaranteed scum in Darg / Espresso. Unless you are 100% certain Worcej is scum, why do this?

Because Fox has been mia and not paying attention.

We'll get Dargo tomorrow. So we're fine on timing. But bold victories demand bold moves, and lynching Worcej is way more informative than processing Dargo/EP today.

As long as you execute the plan I laid out in front of you once you see my VT flip. I can die and we still have a chance as long as you stick with the plan I put in front of you - me being around is a liability to your analysis, because as I said earlier in the game, you are tunneling me.

I am fairly sure xorxes and one of Percy or Jamie is actually scum. EP/darg is one. Bo could be the 4th, but my gut says there is more likely a scum in flash/food, playing for the long game because the claims made put 3 scum under pressure late game.

But I swear to god and everyone on this website, I will forever policy lynch you on D1 in all future games if you blow this game for us Fox.

[Foxcastle]

Remember when we put Dargo/Espresso aside and just lynched scum? That was pretty great. Let's do it again. ##VOTE WORCEJ

There is one guaranteed scum in Darg / Espresso. Unless you are 100% certain Worcej is scum, why do this?

Because Fox has been mia and not paying attention.

We'll get Dargo tomorrow. So we're fine on timing. But bold victories demand bold moves, and lynching Worcej is way more informative than processing Dargo/EP today.

As long as you execute the plan I laid out in front of you once you see my VT flip. I can die and we still have a chance as long as you stick with the plan I put in front of you - me being around is a liability to your analysis, because as I said earlier in the game, you are tunneling me.

I am fairly sure xorxes and one of Percy or Jamie is actually scum. EP/darg is one. Bo could be the 4th, but my gut says there is more likely a scum in flash/food, playing for the long game because the claims made put 3 scum under pressure late game.

But I swear to god and everyone on this website, I will forever policy lynch you on D1 in all future games if you blow this game for us Fox.

By "us" do you mean you and your scum team?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Foxcastle:

What is your case on Worcej?
Is Bozo town?
Is Xorxes?
Am I?
Are you?

[Foxcastle]

@Foxcastle:

What is your case on Worcej?
Is Bozo town?
Is Xorxes?
Am I?
Are you?

Worcej has created a lot of noise to hide in, but hasn't hunted. I see several weird inconsistencies with his approach to Percy (whom I also scumread). I find Bozo's catch of worcej's contradictions on the Oracle issue to be compelling. I think his reaction to being scumread by a townclear has been to try to manipulate that read into doubt rather than to refute it or to demonstrate actual scumhunting. It's a bunch of small stuff that has added up, which I'm learning is more telling than any grand conspiracy.

Bozo is town, Xorxes is probably town. I find you ever so slightly less towny than them, but pretty sure you're town.

I would never confess if I weren't town, would I?

[Foxcastle]

This is why we should wait on EP/Dargo. It's dead because we're process lynching rather than hunting.

[Foxcastle]

I was hoping to cajole others into doing something useful today (like lynching Worcej, though I'm open to other ideas), but I haven't seen anyone browsing the forum, so today is wasted.

I mean, worcej is here, but he's just going to rant at me, so I will probably just skim over that and not respond.

[worcej]

There is one guaranteed scum in Darg / Espresso. Unless you are 100% certain Worcej is scum, why do this?

Because Fox has been mia and not paying attention.

We'll get Dargo tomorrow. So we're fine on timing. But bold victories demand bold moves, and lynching Worcej is way more informative than processing Dargo/EP today.

As long as you execute the plan I laid out in front of you once you see my VT flip. I can die and we still have a chance as long as you stick with the plan I put in front of you - me being around is a liability to your analysis, because as I said earlier in the game, you are tunneling me.

I am fairly sure xorxes and one of Percy or Jamie is actually scum. EP/darg is one. Bo could be the 4th, but my gut says there is more likely a scum in flash/food, playing for the long game because the claims made put 3 scum under pressure late game.

But I swear to god and everyone on this website, I will forever policy lynch you on D1 in all future games if you blow this game for us Fox.

By "us" do you mean you and your scum team?

Nope, I mean us and in you, Hosuke, and the rest of the town team, both alive and dead.

You will vote me in mylo and lylo no matter what based on how you're deciding to do this now - you have a scum in front of you between EP and Darg and you'd rather risk me now. From your perspective, I am the scumiest scum that has ever scumed and nothing I can say will convince you otherwise, so you need to see my flip. I already know you are wrong but you do not. I would much rather have this happen now instead of at the game defining moment.

This is the break the scum needed and you are providing it for them. However all is not lost.

If I go now, it's 6-4 tomorrow and mylo (unfortunately you cannot no-lynch due to the Human), so there is still a chance - but boy you better not get darg/EP wrong... And if we do, I will blame you Fox. Only you, because you couldn't possibly see an ounce of town-ness in me. I clearly bussed Chaqa to get town-cred when I could've just stuck with the EP/darg narrative.

[worcej]

I was hoping to cajole others into doing something useful today (like lynching Worcej, though I'm open to other ideas), but I haven't seen anyone browsing the forum, so today is wasted.

I mean, worcej is here, but he's just going to rant at me, so I will probably just skim over that and not respond.

How is settling EP/Darg not useful? Your first paragraph implies there are better things to do than get a known scum between two people dealt with.

Voting me now and getting my VT flip will severely hurt our chances to pull this win off.

On the off chance you reply, why would scum!me put so much effort to drive to a Chaqa lynch instead of just gambling on getting darg/EP right?

[Foxcastle]

Why do you think I will care if you blame me, Worcej? You've been using this tack since I started scumreading me. Trying to make me worry that losing the game will be on my shoulders, trying to make goad me that I have something to prove after losing the last game, trying to make me doubt my abilities. Blah blah blah. Town shouldn't have to resort to tawdry manipulation to prove themselves, but sometimes it's all scum have left.

[bo_sox48]

Remember when we put Dargo/Espresso aside and just lynched scum? That was pretty great. Let's do it again. ##VOTE WORCEJ

There is one guaranteed scum in Darg / Espresso. Unless you are 100% certain Worcej is scum, why do this?

Yup, I'm certain. We're doing it.

No, we’re not.

[Foxcastle]

There is one guaranteed scum in Darg / Espresso. Unless you are 100% certain Worcej is scum, why do this?

Yup, I'm certain. We're doing it.

No, we’re not.

I see Bo_Sox also supports making this day as useless as possible.

[bo_sox48]

Yup. Tomorrow too.

[worcej]

Why do you think I will care if you blame me, Worcej? You've been using this tack since I started scumreading me. Trying to make me worry that losing the game will be on my shoulders, trying to make goad me that I have something to prove after losing the last game, trying to make me doubt my abilities. Blah blah blah. Town shouldn't have to resort to tawdry manipulation to prove themselves, but sometimes it's all scum have left.

You don't care about winning it seems, and that's what makes me mad at you. I am busting my ass right now with reads, examining the landscape, and trying to rally the town. You've been almost MIA on the past few phases (mostly just posting low counts) and stuck on your read on me since D3. Being calm, reasonable, and rational has not worked with you anyways. I am out of options, so I am defaulting to normal me: be an asshole and rub shit in your face until you realize you suck.

That being said: You should doubt your abilities atm, and I don't mean this as rude, but you're blinded by your own reads and tunnel incredibly deeper than I imagined. Did you even scum read Chaqa? I found you 'guessed' he was scum, but had no conviction in your read. Then later you said he was one of your highest reads? You never pushed him once.

Where you have had conviction, you have been (and currently are) wrong. Your scum read of emc was wrong, yet you take no ownership of that and blamed it on his play. What will you blame me for once I flip town? Being an asshole is not scummy, or else a LOT of us would be lynched early every game.

You scum me still, with so much certainty, STILL after I pushed hard for Chaqa under the assumption he was town because his claim (true or false) was a liability for the town going closer to mylo. The logic was there and was all entirely pro-town and resulted, thankfully, in us being ahead.

Again, I ask you, why would scum!me throw Chaqa under the bus, when he wasn't even really on the radar of a push? What scum tactic would this net me?

[worcej]

On a separate note:
Flash, Food, and Percy have posted less than Vecna did on D1/N1. I'll give Percy a pass because he can be figured out, but I find the lack of involvement from either Flash and Food to be suspicious.

[bo_sox48]

I apparently have not voted. ##VOTE darg

[Jamiet99uk]

Yup, I'm certain. We're doing it.

No, we’re not.

I see Bo_Sox also supports making this day as useless as possible.

It's not useless. Flipping the tracker claimants will be very informative and will kill 1-2 scum.

[flash2015]

On a separate note:
Flash, Food, and Percy have posted less than Vecna did on D1/N1. I'll give Percy a pass because he can be figured out, but I find the lack of involvement from either Flash and Food to be suspicious.

Why? There isn't much to say here.

[Foxcastle]

Why do you think I will care if you blame me, Worcej? You've been using this tack since I started scumreading me. Trying to make me worry that losing the game will be on my shoulders, trying to make goad me that I have something to prove after losing the last game, trying to make me doubt my abilities. Blah blah blah. Town shouldn't have to resort to tawdry manipulation to prove themselves, but sometimes it's all scum have left.

You don't care about winning it seems, and that's what makes me mad at you. I am busting my ass right now with reads, examining the landscape, and trying to rally the town. You've been almost MIA on the past few phases (mostly just posting low counts) and stuck on your read on me since D3. Being calm, reasonable, and rational has not worked with you anyways. I am out of options, so I am defaulting to normal me: be an asshole and rub shit in your face until you realize you suck.

That being said: You should doubt your abilities atm, and I don't mean this as rude, but you're blinded by your own reads and tunnel incredibly deeper than I imagined. Did you even scum read Chaqa? I found you 'guessed' he was scum, but had no conviction in your read. Then later you said he was one of your highest reads? You never pushed him once.

Where you have had conviction, you have been (and currently are) wrong. Your scum read of emc was wrong, yet you take no ownership of that and blamed it on his play. What will you blame me for once I flip town? Being an asshole is not scummy, or else a LOT of us would be lynched early every game.

You scum me still, with so much certainty, STILL after I pushed hard for Chaqa under the assumption he was town because his claim (true or false) was a liability for the town going closer to mylo. The logic was there and was all entirely pro-town and resulted, thankfully, in us being ahead.

Again, I ask you, why would scum!me throw Chaqa under the bus, when he wasn't even really on the radar of a push? What scum tactic would this net me?

You're right, I pushed EMC. I propose we suspend this game until a truth & reconciliation committee can be convened to examine how and why that happened, to process our differences, not to assign blame but to accept responsibility, and emerge a stronger, more resilient community. After that, we will repeat the process of healing for Vapor's mislynch. Because that's the point of this game.

Anyway, the rest of it is all just so much noise, as we've continued to see from Worcej. I will say I've had a busy few days, but also being townclear is not so much as I imagined, nor motivating as I thought it would be. I apologize to the rest of you, but not to worcej, for lower participation.

NB: I don't actually think I'm good at this game. So I really do recommend you find a different avenue to try to manipulate me than my ego.

And I note that you accept that there's nothing you could say to dissuade me from this scumread. You're right. I'm not looking for you to say something. I'm looking for you to do anything that's townie.

[bo_sox48]

No, we’re not.

I see Bo_Sox also supports making this day as useless as possible.

It's not useless. Flipping the tracker claimants will be very informative and will kill 1-2 scum.

He wants to do something grand before the mafia kill him. I get it, but it’s incredibly stupid to let this wait given how much we can gain from what I see as two almost guaranteed scum flips.

[EspressoPatronum]

... Tomorrow it is time to mass announce. Suspect anyone who fights that. Scum have figured out the unclears I expect. This is what they were after. I shouldn't have countered right away. Good luck town, see you in the God thread.

What do you think we should do about people who don't realize we've already mass claimed?