Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[TrPrado]

Vote Count 5.1

dargorygel (4): xorxes, EspressoPatronum, bozotheclown, flash2015
bozotheclown (1): Percy Williams

DARGORYGEL is set to be lynched

36 hours remain

[ItsHosuke]

##vote dargorygel because I think it’s more likely to be him than @espressopatronum, however, this is subject to change if @foxcastle thinks otherwise

[xorxes]

I am pretty confident it is darg over DP:

##VOTE darg

Why? If you're town, we need to see your reasoning. Otherwise, if darg flips town you will look scummy and may cost us the game, and if he flips scum we won't be able to tell if you voted for him for good towny reasons or just because everyone else was voting for him and so you didn't have much choice.

[xorxes]

##vote dargorygel because I think it’s more likely to be him than @espressopatronum, however, this is subject to change if @foxcastle thinks otherwise

As a clear you don't want to make a wagon so big this early. This prevents other scum from trying to save him if he is scum, or just join you without much effort if he is town, or give up and bus him if they see no chance of saving him. It's better if the clears vote last, and if they think town is making a mistake say so later rather than early.

[worcej]

##Vote EP

I've been pretty open about my stance so far.

[worcej]

@Worcej, did you or did you not soft Oracle?

I did try to soft it to try to draw the NK. I also wanted to show that I didn’t mind being mislynched early, which is true. As one of the few VTs in this setup, I felt my job was to protect PRs any way possible. Sacrificing myself is one way to do this.

Your explanation makes little sense. Why would softing Oracle draw the NK? The last person scum want to kill is the Oracle.

Are you saying you were trying to save Vapor?

I am not saying my play was the smartest in the world...

No, I legit scum read vapor hardcore. Hindsight, I stand by the scum read and embrace being wrong. Vapor needs to learn to be more consistent and less all over the place as he plays.

[worcej]

Also, FWIW, I also think Jamie's oracle claim can just as easily be turned into a tracker claim with the shell suits. Fuck, you could even see a watcher claim inside that list if you wanted to try really hard (Walker) to spin it.

Just saying, not the most definitive softing from Jamie.

[worcej]

And before someone (xorxes) comes after me - Jamie's list was post 1.5 hours before Moscow died on D1.

Also, Walker could combine with track suit to = tracker.

[Jamiet99uk]

In case I die tonight (unlikely but not impossible):

worcej needs to explain why he softed Oracle when he was the counterwagon to Vapor. Jamiet needs to explain why this didn't bother him.

I didn't notice it.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE DARGORYGEL

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh look Vecna scumreads me just like he does every single game.

I love old fashioned nostalgic things. Ceefax, Angel Delight, Monster Munch, shell suits, Vecna scumreading me, Watney's Red Barrel, Crackerjack.... ah, the warm fuzzy memories of my youth.

Lover, Oracle, Divine Presence, okapi, Tracker?

An okapi is a bit monstrous, isn't it?

This is a nice red herring you've invented for yourselves, but I'm afraid it's a waste of your time.

[Jamiet99uk]

He could still ask for a TLDR here as well. The stronger bullet point is that the claim makes no sense at the point it came, but since he is new it's hard to tell. We need to hear more about it before deciding. And we need to hear more from him about anything else even if he chooses not to talk about this any more for now.

Look, here is Xorxes setting up a Vig claim.

[ItsHosuke]

##vote dargorygel because I think it’s more likely to be him than @espressopatronum, however, this is subject to change if @foxcastle thinks otherwise

As a clear you don't want to make a wagon so big this early. This prevents other scum from trying to save him if he is scum, or just join you without much effort if he is town, or give up and bus him if they see no chance of saving him. It's better if the clears vote last, and if they think town is making a mistake say so later rather than early.

Fair enough. I didn't think of that... ##unvote

[bozotheclown]

why do you want to wait until eod to share your thoughts on bo?

**sigh**

Because I have been intentionally softing that I don't care about my death to reaction test people. His jump to vapor seemed to fall into that 'oh shit' response.

And to be crystal clear: I am not claiming anything.

The only town role that wouldn't care about their death is the Oracle (or possibly the Lover). So you thought bo picked up your Oracle softs and thus jumped to vapor because he was scum that didn't want to lynch the Oracle?

Rereading D3 makes it clear that worcej was trying hard to avoid the lynch, I think it is unlikely he was taking the time to perform reaction tests.

[dargorygel]

This mistake.
But at least my mislynch isn't as dreadful now that we have caught chaqa.

You can lynch espresso after me...
One good thing, I am pretty sure that scum won't be shouting for my death, because when I flip they'll be pretty obvious.

I still think they were hunting for PR's. Or ruling out uncleared. I think we must have messed up their plans with the chaqa lynch.

@bozo regarding chaqa
Aye, he didn't remember me much. And it DID mildly hurt my feelings. But he's right in that we didn't play much together. Before he disappeared, I think I was in my die early phase.
I suppose he might be seen as distancing himself from me. Not sure why, though. I didn't find it suspicious.
What's your point?

But because I know he is scum:
##VOTE ESPRESSO

[bozotheclown]

Oh look Vecna scumreads me just like he does every single game.

I love old fashioned nostalgic things. Ceefax, Angel Delight, Monster Munch, shell suits, Vecna scumreading me, Watney's Red Barrel, Crackerjack.... ah, the warm fuzzy memories of my youth.

Lover, Oracle, Divine Presence, okapi, Tracker?

An okapi is a bit monstrous, isn't it?

This is a nice red herring you've invented for yourselves, but I'm afraid it's a waste of your time.

You pointed to this post as your crumb. If both trackers turn out to be scum, we will know tracker was one of the scum roles, keeping open the possibility you were crumbing all of the scum fake roles.

[bozotheclown]

This mistake.
But at least my mislynch isn't as dreadful now that we have caught chaqa.

You can lynch espresso after me...
One good thing, I am pretty sure that scum won't be shouting for my death, because when I flip they'll be pretty obvious.

I still think they were hunting for PR's. Or ruling out uncleared. I think we must have messed up their plans with the chaqa lynch.

@bozo regarding chaqa
Aye, he didn't remember me much. And it DID mildly hurt my feelings. But he's right in that we didn't play much together. Before he disappeared, I think I was in my die early phase.
I suppose he might be seen as distancing himself from me. Not sure why, though. I didn't find it suspicious.
What's your point?

But because I know he is scum:
##VOTE ESPRESSO

Chaqa's first vote D1 was for you, and that is when he said he did not remember playing with you much. This seemed like it could have been an early bus to distance himself from you, so I looked up games you have played together and asked him about them:

Before I dive into this post, thanks bo for articulating what I’ve been feeling in a way more clear and concise way than I ever could. Appreciate that. I have a lot of trouble following all these back and forth quoted conversations. I miss the old big monolithic “case” posts people used to make.

But on this post - dargo isn’t someone I’ve played with too much (or have forgotten if I gave), but this entire post seems hedgey and anchoring. “Sorry I was posting so poorly, but weren’t my one-word answers so articulate! I’ll be back and better later, I promise!”

Blegh. ##Vote dargo

In M24, you and dargorygel both made it through the entire game (7 days). In M28, you both were alive for 5 days. You were both in M33, but dargorygel replaced you D5. In M36 you were both on the scum team, although you were replaced D2.

I don’t even remember playing in half those games, so...

Memory isn’t a strong suit of mine, I blame the smoking.

So between M24 and M28, you played 12 game days together, and in M36, you started out on the same scum team. Do you think this qualifies as "not playing much together"?

[dargorygel]

Yeah I would... I don't recall much interaction. I don't think we played 'much' but I can see your point, though, bozo. We certainly played more than I recalled

[Jamiet99uk]

Lover, Oracle, Divine Presence, okapi, Tracker?

An okapi is a bit monstrous, isn't it?

This is a nice red herring you've invented for yourselves, but I'm afraid it's a waste of your time.

You pointed to this post as your crumb. If both trackers turn out to be scum, we will know tracker was one of the scum roles, keeping open the possibility you were crumbing all of the scum fake roles.

"Shell suit" is a pretty weak / shitty tracker crumb, though. I was not crumbing tracker.

[Jamiet99uk]

And as for "Monster Munch" being a crumb... Nope.