Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[EspressoPatronum]

EP - stfu for a second and stay on track with me.

I'm on mobile + my responses are slow. Didn't see your response before I replied to darg.

[worcej]

He didn't explicitly claim that.

He said, "And everyone keeps saying I confirmed it's Tom, but as far as I know I haven't done so."

Okay, but if you're town right now, think about this: Why did darg counter you? What possible reason would a scum counter-claim you?

Think about the worst case scenario - not every possible scenario. Focus on the worst. It leads you to the scum team winning at this vote.

My best guess is they have a VT in their town pool. Instead of claiming VT, they probably assigned darg with the task of counterclaiming.

You're right that we need to prepare for the worst-case scenario, but that shouldn't stop us from considering other scenarios. My goal in raising the mafia lover possibility was to keep everyone as informed as possible.

I'd counter argue that from a worse case scenario, you're trying to detract from the situation bozo and I are bringing forward right now because you want to get your win now.

Scum have an organized group behind them to push for the win. 4 other people are going to sit here and push for the darg vs EP mislynch.

[EspressoPatronum]

Okay, but if you're town right now, think about this: Why did darg counter you? What possible reason would a scum counter-claim you?

Think about the worst case scenario - not every possible scenario. Focus on the worst. It leads you to the scum team winning at this vote.

My best guess is they have a VT in their town pool. Instead of claiming VT, they probably assigned darg with the task of counterclaiming.

You're right that we need to prepare for the worst-case scenario, but that shouldn't stop us from considering other scenarios. My goal in raising the mafia lover possibility was to keep everyone as informed as possible.

I'd counter argue that from a worse case scenario, you're trying to detract from the situation bozo and I are bringing forward right now because you want to get your win now.

Scum have an organized group behind them to push for the win. 4 other people are going to sit here and push for the darg vs EP mislynch.

What are you even arguing?

Sure, worst case is Chaqa has a town lover. I agree. It's also worth noting he could have a mafia lover.

[Chaqa]

I'm also seeing this Bozo-worcej connection. And the fact they're pushing Espresso over Dargo makes me very suspicious of this whole ordeal.

[EspressoPatronum]

I'm also seeing this Bozo-worcej connection. And the fact they're pushing Espresso over Dargo makes me very suspicious of this whole ordeal.

Bless your soul. I thought I was alone.

[EspressoPatronum]

It feels like worcej is trying to prime a push on me.

He's saying a lot of words that don't mean anything, but they're all combative toward me. This is textbook for keeping a push option open.

[worcej]

Town's best play right now is to remove the possible double-kill that is Chaqa dying with another person, regardless of alignment.

If he loved a scum, it is irrelevant as we go along. Lylo becomes worse because if we hit his target via lynches then town will still lose with the NK. He claims a target, that is scum, we narrow the pool down but if he loved the double-vote then we're fucked because that person has to be the last one lynched and @ 2-1, scum will win.

Chaqa HAS to be figured out now and the possibility of him to die randomly with someone else is a liability, not a good thing.

[worcej]

My best guess is they have a VT in their town pool. Instead of claiming VT, they probably assigned darg with the task of counterclaiming.

You're right that we need to prepare for the worst-case scenario, but that shouldn't stop us from considering other scenarios. My goal in raising the mafia lover possibility was to keep everyone as informed as possible.

I'd counter argue that from a worse case scenario, you're trying to detract from the situation bozo and I are bringing forward right now because you want to get your win now.

Scum have an organized group behind them to push for the win. 4 other people are going to sit here and push for the darg vs EP mislynch.

What are you even arguing?

Sure, worst case is Chaqa has a town lover. I agree. It's also worth noting he could have a mafia lover.

I am arguing that literally removing Chaqa guarantees us another day and sets us up to not have a liability as we get closer to mylo or lylo.

If you cannot see that, then idk what else to say.

[worcej]

It feels like worcej is trying to prime a push on me.

He's saying a lot of words that don't mean anything, but they're all combative toward me. This is textbook for keeping a push option open.

I'm not priming a push on you, you're just making yourself look scummy because you're failing to see the obvious issue that could arise with getting you vs darg wrong.

[worcej]

I'm also seeing this Bozo-worcej connection. And the fact they're pushing Espresso over Dargo makes me very suspicious of this whole ordeal.

Dude, I am pushing for you to die right now.

I have yet to push EP over Darg and any insinuation of this is completely incorrect.

[EspressoPatronum]

Town's best play right now is to remove the possible double-kill that is Chaqa dying with another person, regardless of alignment.

If he loved a scum, it is irrelevant as we go along. Lylo becomes worse because if we hit his target via lynches then town will still lose with the NK. He claims a target, that is scum, we narrow the pool down but if he loved the double-vote then we're fucked because that person has to be the last one lynched and @ 2-1, scum will win.

Chaqa HAS to be figured out now and the possibility of him to die randomly with someone else is a liability, not a good thing.

You've been able to flesh out your argument due to my observation that Chaqa may have a mafia lover. You're welcome.

My lunch is over now, but I'll give your argument due consideration this evening.

[worcej]

Town's best play right now is to remove the possible double-kill that is Chaqa dying with another person, regardless of alignment.

If he loved a scum, it is irrelevant as we go along. Lylo becomes worse because if we hit his target via lynches then town will still lose with the NK. He claims a target, that is scum, we narrow the pool down but if he loved the double-vote then we're fucked because that person has to be the last one lynched and @ 2-1, scum will win.

Chaqa HAS to be figured out now and the possibility of him to die randomly with someone else is a liability, not a good thing.

You've been able to flesh out your argument due to my observation that Chaqa may have a mafia lover. You're welcome.

My lunch is over now, but I'll give your argument due consideration this evening.

I didn't need to flesh out the argument - I just didn't know I had to hold your hand the entire way.

[Chaqa]

I understand the argument for lynching me, but I disagree with it on a few counts. The minor one being I don't want to be lynched, but I do understand there will be a point where it may be preferable to another option if we really don't know who a mafia member is.

BUT

It isn't the town winning play. It's the town not-losing play. We have like one mislynch available to us and we have at least one scum confirmed in EP/Dargo. We should be taking that confirmed 50/50. And if we flip one of them, this whole puzzle should come unraveling.

Maybe that's why you're pushing me, because you're afraid when Dargo flips scum you will be implicated?

[worcej]

I understand the argument for lynching me, but I disagree with it on a few counts. The minor one being I don't want to be lynched, but I do understand there will be a point where it may be preferable to another option if we really don't know who a mafia member is.

BUT

It isn't the town winning play. It's the town not-losing play. We have like one mislynch available to us and we have at least one scum confirmed in EP/Dargo. We should be taking that confirmed 50/50. And if we flip one of them, this whole puzzle should come unraveling.

Maybe that's why you're pushing me, because you're afraid when Dargo flips scum you will be implicated?

You're 100% right, this is the town not losing play. But by not-losing, my odds of winning are higher.

I am just not willing to gamble on the 50/50 right now because the scum counter-claim came into play for a reason. Using that as a basis, I believe that the reason a CC was made in a game where there is no reason to counter claim is they know you're town and are confident in who you loved to take a shot at the win.

If you're town, we have to eliminate the liability that is you dying randomly along with another town before we're at lylo or mylo. Promoting you need to live is pretty fucking un-towny considering that you either know you loved a town or possibly loved a town/scum and you could die at any minute.

[Chaqa]

Only I know who my lover is. What this seems like to me is a scum getting nervous I may not have who they think as lover and throwing off their entire endgame math and plan.

[worcej]

Only I know who my lover is. What this seems like to me is a scum getting nervous I may not have who they think as lover and throwing off their entire endgame math and plan.

I am town and know that you may be the lover or you may not be.

If you are the lover, letting you live to die with someone else hurts the town math in the most catastrophic way: we could outright lose. Again, we could - who knows if we will, but it isn’t the towns best decision to just keep that liability alive.

How can you not see this? If you are town, why are you advocating for yourself to live? We have a CC in darg vs EP, I am not pushing this shit to save myself.

If I was scum, I would not be arguing this - I would just be trying to influence the EP vs Darg vote.

[Chaqa]

Only I know who my lover is. What this seems like to me is a scum getting nervous I may not have who they think as lover and throwing off their entire endgame math and plan.

I am town and know that you may be the lover or you may not be.

If you are the lover, letting you live to die with someone else hurts the town math in the most catastrophic way: we could outright lose. Again, we could - who knows if we will, but it isn’t the towns best decision to just keep that liability alive.

How can you not see this? If you are town, why are you advocating for yourself to live? We have a CC in darg vs EP, I am not pushing this shit to save myself.

If I was scum, I would not be arguing this - I would just be trying to influence the EP vs Darg vote.

You're assuming my Lover is going to die tonight. I don't think that's likely. I just have a hard time justifying lynching town on purpose when I think the likelihood of my dying is about 5% tonight at the most. We have much better odds by lynching Dargo or EP (leaning toward Dargo right now), or even Bozo, who I can't see any world isn't scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why did Jamie +1 post 3915?

Probably an accident. I saw it too, he said he was on his mobile and at a bar.

Shit sorry I had no idea this happened.
Fat thumbs.

[worcej]

Only I know who my lover is. What this seems like to me is a scum getting nervous I may not have who they think as lover and throwing off their entire endgame math and plan.

I am town and know that you may be the lover or you may not be.

If you are the lover, letting you live to die with someone else hurts the town math in the most catastrophic way: we could outright lose. Again, we could - who knows if we will, but it isn’t the towns best decision to just keep that liability alive.

How can you not see this? If you are town, why are you advocating for yourself to live? We have a CC in darg vs EP, I am not pushing this shit to save myself.

If I was scum, I would not be arguing this - I would just be trying to influence the EP vs Darg vote.

You're assuming my Lover is going to die tonight. I don't think that's likely. I just have a hard time justifying lynching town on purpose when I think the likelihood of my dying is about 5% tonight at the most. We have much better odds by lynching Dargo or EP (leaning toward Dargo right now), or even Bozo, who I can't see any world isn't scum.

I am also including as we move to MyLo and LyLo - you alive around then as a unconfirmed lover is dangerous because we lose in order to confirm you.

You need to be confirmed before mylo and lylo. Now is a great time because the ramifications of you being town are the lowest now.

[worcej]

Only I know who my lover is. What this seems like to me is a scum getting nervous I may not have who they think as lover and throwing off their entire endgame math and plan.

I am town and know that you may be the lover or you may not be.

If you are the lover, letting you live to die with someone else hurts the town math in the most catastrophic way: we could outright lose. Again, we could - who knows if we will, but it isn’t the towns best decision to just keep that liability alive.

How can you not see this? If you are town, why are you advocating for yourself to live? We have a CC in darg vs EP, I am not pushing this shit to save myself.

If I was scum, I would not be arguing this - I would just be trying to influence the EP vs Darg vote.

You're assuming my Lover is going to die tonight. I don't think that's likely. I just have a hard time justifying lynching town on purpose when I think the likelihood of my dying is about 5% tonight at the most. We have much better odds by lynching Dargo or EP (leaning toward Dargo right now), or even Bozo, who I can't see any world isn't scum.

Odds at what? Getting a scum? That is probably true.

But ultimately this game is about winning, not just catching a scum now. If we are wrong, it is absolutely a bad situation.