Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[EspressoPatronum]

@Xorx - what about the Tracker? That seems like a relevant role.

Tracker has no more tracks left.

I don't know if a massclaim is the best or worst idea. I suppose mafia probably has most of the important stuff figured out already though (with the Jailer, Doctor dead and Masons out).

Exactly, but town doesn't. Let's make it even.

I'll defer to whatever Tom and Fox and Hosuke think, since it's not really a relevant question for me as my role is already public knowledge.

Yes, I will defer to them, especially Tom.

I would like to delay massclaim until we know about the roleblock.

[Chaqa]

Oh, I hadn't read that the Tracker was only a limited-use. The Tracker should definitely claim at some point then, we could maybe find the Hooker (which is the only role we're sure about given Vapor was definitely roleblocked).

[EspressoPatronum]

Actually, learning about the roleblock doesn't matter, does it?
Either scum used it and a town claims roleblocked, or scum held it and scum claims roleblocked.

Are there any scenarios in which someone wasn't roleblocked?

[xorxes]

Oh, I hadn't read that the Tracker was only a limited-use. The Tracker should definitely claim at some point then, we could maybe find the Hooker (which is the only role we're sure about given Vapor was definitely roleblocked).

The hooker and the ant (or whoever carried out the kills).

[Jamiet99uk]

I was not Roleblocked.

[xorxes]

Actually, learning about the roleblock doesn't matter, does it?
Either scum used it and a town claims roleblocked, or scum held it and scum claims roleblocked.

Are there any scenarios in which someone wasn't roleblocked?

Whether they used the roleblock or not does tell us something, so yes, we need to know if they chose to roleblock again.

[xorxes]

These posts by damo confirm him as scum also, and if xorxes keeps insisting he believes Percy and damo are town, he is likely their teammate.

I don't see how any of those posts make their claims less believable.

There's a different reason to make damo's claim a little less believable now, but nothing to do with finding that wagon scummy, which you yourself also did, didn't you?

I did when I thought Vapor was mafia, but not anymore. The second damo post implies we should still be looking for scum on Vapor's wagon, and it is obvious now that the first post was setting up the second post.

What are your thoughts on the composition of Vapor's wagon now that we know that what damo said was pure and had no second intentions?

[EspressoPatronum]

I'm the tracker. All that "maf has tracker stuff" last night was a (successful) attempt to avoid getting roleblocked.

Xorxes did not visit anyone on N2. I chose xorxes because he was one of my top scumreads. I scaled back my read knowing that he stayed at home.
1. Assuming ant & knowing that hooker visited Vapor, xorxes is 40% less likely to be maf.
2. Assuming no ant & knowing that hooker visited Vapor, xorxes is 20% less likely to be maf.

Bozotheclown did not visit anyone N3. I chose bozo because he was the most popular scumread. If he visited anyone, it would have been easy to lead a lunch against him.
1. Assuming ant & assuming hooker visited someone, bozo is 40% less likely to be maf.
2. Assuming no ant & assuming hooker visited someone, bozo is 20% less likely to be maf.
3. Assuming no ant & assuming hooker did not visit someone (i.e. scum claims roleblocked), bozo is 0% less likely to be maf.

Notes:
While I still think the DP smokescreen was worth it, I mostly used it as an excuse to do a tracker smokescreen the following night without attracting the attention of the mafia.

I voted Vapor because of the tracker ambiguity & his hard town stance on me.

[EspressoPatronum]

Actually, learning about the roleblock doesn't matter, does it?
Either scum used it and a town claims roleblocked, or scum held it and scum claims roleblocked.

Are there any scenarios in which someone wasn't roleblocked?

Whether they used the roleblock or not does tell us something, so yes, we need to know if they chose to roleblock again.

I was mostly asking wrt to my claim. I have to go in a bit though + figured there's a very slim chance nobody claims roleblocked, so I just went for it Town not claiming is anti-town. Scum not claiming it is weird.

[EspressoPatronum]

I did not crumb.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are we revealing now?
I thought we were going to wait for Tom Brainbombadil to comment...

[xorxes]

I'm the tracker. All that "maf has tracker stuff" last night was a (successful) attempt to avoid getting roleblocked.

Xorxes did not visit anyone on N2. I chose xorxes because he was one of my top scumreads. I scaled back my read knowing that he stayed at home.
1. Assuming ant & knowing that hooker visited Vapor, xorxes is 40% less likely to be maf.
2. Assuming no ant & knowing that hooker visited Vapor, xorxes is 20% less likely to be maf.

Bozotheclown did not visit anyone N3. I chose bozo because he was the most popular scumread. If he visited anyone, it would have been easy to lead a lunch against him.
1. Assuming ant & assuming hooker visited someone, bozo is 40% less likely to be maf.
2. Assuming no ant & assuming hooker visited someone, bozo is 20% less likely to be maf.
3. Assuming no ant & assuming hooker did not visit someone (i.e. scum claims roleblocked), bozo is 0% less likely to be maf.

Notes:
While I still think the DP smokescreen was worth it, I mostly used it as an excuse to do a tracker smokescreen the following night without attracting the attention of the mafia.

I voted Vapor because of the tracker ambiguity & his hard town stance on me.

I will reread you with all of this in mind. So basically you were the only one that knew that damo could only be the doctor if his claim was true.

Do you know for sure that if there is no ant you cannot track whoever else does the kill, or are you just assuming?

[xorxes]

Are we revealing now?
I thought we were going to wait for Tom Brainbombadil to comment...

We should wait for Tom to comment and give an order of claims.

Tracker (or fake Tracker) had to claim anyway.

[bozotheclown]

RIP damo, you played well. We now need the Tracker to give us their results.

Also, it's time for a massclaim (but wait for the clears to establish the order of claims).

The only relevant role left is the Oracle, but Mafia already has three clears to kill N4, N5 and N6, and I will be clear for N7, so there's no chance in hell that Mafia kills the Oracle. It is more useful to massclaim now, I think.

The order of claims should be dictated by the clears (or rather by Tom). Order should be scummiest to towniest.

Roles left to claim:
3. Dog – Tracker (turn 2/3)
9. Crayfish – bulletproof (turn 1)
12. Naked mole rat – Vanilla
13. Pangolin – Vanilla
15. Pallas Cat – Divine presence [N1]
16. Okapi – Vanilla
17. Tortoise – Absorber (single use)
18. Anglerfish - Oracle
19. Kiwi – Mason
21. Harpy Eagle – Vanilla

People left to claim:

Bozotheclown
Bo_sox48
Dargorygel
EspressoPatronum
Flash2015
Foodcoats
Jamiet
Worcej

@Tom, what do you think?

@bozo, why have you not asked for a massclaim yet now that it makes sense?

If you think it makes sense, why didn't you ask for it for the first 1 hour and 48 minutes of the day?

A "mass" claim of roles no longer has any benefit to town, although the tracker, if there is one, should claim and report his targets/results. There are some possible down sides to claiming. The absorber could have picked up a useful power, however unlikely, and it is not impossible that the game is still going after the clears have been taken out, so it is better to not reveal the oracle unnecessarily.

[bozotheclown]

Sorry, I had not seen Espresso claim yet.

[bo_sox48]

Why do we need an order?

For what it is worth, I think we should give our oracle a chance before massclaiming.

[bo_sox48]

Actually, no. That’s dumb. Let’s claim. Lol

[dargorygel]

Ok... thanks espresso. For lying through your teeth. And revealing our first scum.

I am the tracker.

N2, PW did not go anywhere. I chose him simply because I scumread him.
N3 I TRIED to track xorxes. But I was roll blocked.

I am again, by the side of the road... but needed to post this asap.

##VOTE ESPRESSOPATRONUM

[Jamiet99uk]

Why do we need an order?

For what it is worth, I think we should give our oracle a chance before massclaiming.

A chance how?

[Jamiet99uk]

Wow, a counter claim?