Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

Add Damo to the point on Chaqa above. Why do either of them think they're going to die tonight??

damo is implying he will be the NK because of his role. If both damo and Chaqa get killed tonight I will be proven wrong, but I suspect we will see them both D4.

BOTH? What do you know?

[damo666]

If my theory is correct, the remaining non-cleared town (bo_sox, dargorygel, Espresso, flash, foodcoats, Jamie, and myself) have the following roles, except for the one extra role: doctor, bulletproof, absorber, oracle, and 3 VTs.

At least 4 scum in there.

[ItsHosuke]

Add Damo to the point on Chaqa above. Why do either of them think they're going to die tonight??

damo is implying he will be the NK because of his role. If both damo and Chaqa get killed tonight I will be proven wrong, but I suspect we will see them both D4.

BOTH? What do you know?

Wait, wha--

[Jamiet99uk]

Add Damo to the point on Chaqa above. Why do either of them think they're going to die tonight??

damo is implying he will be the NK because of his role. If both damo and Chaqa get killed tonight I will be proven wrong, but I suspect we will see them both D4.

BOTH? What do you know?

Well if Damo is killed and Chaqa is in love with Damo, then Chaqa would also die. But really, do you think Chaqa would pick Damo?

[damo666]

damo is implying he will be the NK because of his role. If both damo and Chaqa get killed tonight I will be proven wrong, but I suspect we will see them both D4.

BOTH? What do you know?

Well if Damo is killed and Chaqa is in love with Damo, then Chaqa would also die. But really, do you think Chaqa would pick Damo?

Who would pick Damo?!

[Jamiet99uk]

BOTH? What do you know?

Well if Damo is killed and Chaqa is in love with Damo, then Chaqa would also die. But really, do you think Chaqa would pick Damo?

Who would pick Damo?!

Damo, do you know what it is to know love?

Have you ever experienced the passion of a lover with the animal power and intoxicating musk of Chaqa?

[foodcoats]

Just a note I'm traveling today through Sunday (EST) for a wedding. I'll still be playing, just may be more sporadic and I'll be mobile only.

[xorxes]

damo and xorxes should have been voting for Chaqa D2 based on their reads, so that implicates Chaqa as well.

Don't be ridiculous. Those reads were from before EOD2. I made it perfectly clear that Chaqa was my top townread after EOD2 and you know it very well, because we compared reads lists, so you are being disingenuous here.

What you said does not make sense, I said you should have been voting for Chaqa D2, not after D2 EOD.

My bad. I thought you were talking about the last vote. I didn't realize you were rehashing something you had already asked about, I had already explained, and you had presumably been satisfied with since you were townreading me later on.

[xorxes]

I would like all town to take a close look at this table provided by xorxes, that shows his best guess at the scum team:

Vaporwave (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo ItsHosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vaporwave
Espresso (1) foodcoats

He is saying that he believes the entire mafia team was voting for Vapor, even though he thinks that worcej and Espresso are town. He thinks bo_sox switched his vote from worcej to Vapor when worcej and Vapor were tied at 5 to join 3 of his teammates on Vapor. He thinks Jamie moved his vote to Vapor 10 minutes before EOD to join all 4 of his teammates on a guaranteed town lynch.

Bear in mind that I had made a big deal N2 about how scum try not to vote together.

What do you make of bo's vote?

[xorxes]

If bozo's scumteam is correct... worth considering:

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Yes, I'd like to know if bozo really thinks 4 scum were on his wagon D1.

[foodcoats]

Well the fact that there is literally no overlap between xor and bozo's "scumteams" is interesting...

Fox and Tom, as townclears, I think your insight would be invaluable here. I'm not sure if it is strategically better to wait until tomorrow, but given that we may lose one of you to an NK, I think it would be good for you both to spell out your view of the game state a bit and town can hopefully merge through those to a most-reasonable lynch for tomorrow.

[Foxcastle]

If bozo's scumteam is correct... worth considering:

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Yes, I'd like to know if bozo really thinks 4 scum were on his wagon D1.

Interesting that you think there were none...

[xorxes]

If bozo's scumteam is correct... worth considering:

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Yes, I'd like to know if bozo really thinks 4 scum were on his wagon D1.

Interesting that you think there were none...

Why? If bozo is scum, would someone necessarily be bussing him?

[Foxcastle]

Yes, I'd like to know if bozo really thinks 4 scum were on his wagon D1.

Interesting that you think there were none...

Why? If bozo is scum, would someone necessarily be bussing him?

No, not necessarily, but I think it's common/likely enough that precluding it is interesting, is all.

[ItsHosuke]

BOTH? What do you know?

Well if Damo is killed and Chaqa is in love with Damo, then Chaqa would also die. But really, do you think Chaqa would pick Damo?

Who would pick Damo?!

I wonder if this was posted by Damo's IRL friend or something- would be hilarious

[ItsHosuke]

Interesting that you think there were none...

Why? If bozo is scum, would someone necessarily be bussing him?

No, not necessarily, but I think it's common/likely enough that precluding it is interesting, is all.

@Foxcastle It's two extremes, what do you think?

[ItsHosuke]

@foodcoats@EspressoPatronum What do you all think about being the only ones not included in either scumteam?

[xorxes]

Interesting that you think there were none...

Why? If bozo is scum, would someone necessarily be bussing him?

No, not necessarily, but I think it's common/likely enough that precluding it is interesting, is all.

I'm not basing my read of any of them in that vote, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Should I be worried that if I'm right then nobody was bussing bozo? Should bozo be worried that if he is right four scum were voting for him together?

[xorxes]

Fox, do you think bozo is town?

If he is town, I agree that at least one of those four is likely scum, but if he is scum, which of the four is the most likely to be bussing?

[foodcoats]

@foodcoats@EspressoPatronum What do you all think about being the only ones not included in either scumteam?

I'm okay with it.

That said, I do not think trying to peg the whole scum team is a productive methodology at this point. xorxes and bozo are building their scumteams based on assumptions. For example, in the below, I think it is far more useful to focus on the first paragraph than the second. Because we do not know the answer to whether bozo is town/scum, speculating about busses and wagons based on whether bozo is town/scum is a distraction.

Fox, do you think bozo is town?

If he is town, I agree that at least one of those four is likely scum, but if he is scum, which of the four is the most likely to be bussing?

I think we should be striving to use Occam's razor - "in explaining a thing no more assumptions should be made than are necessary" - i.e. find simple arguments. Personally I think what I am going to do next is look at who pushed to lynch townclears (including the town who are dead). Something interesting might pop up there.

(By the way... I'm not saying this line of reasoning is scum-indicative, despite my other reads on xor. Town love trying to peg the whole team at once, and I realize that I am biased towards doing iso's... it's just what I like to do and others may have a different analytical preference. But I just don't think it's profitable for town to think this way at the current time when we have zero confirmed scum.)