Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

That Vapor wagon has a horrible look.

Ffs Now look at that wagon

These posts by damo confirm him as scum also, and if xorxes keeps insisting he believes Percy and damo are town, he is likely their teammate.

I don't see how any of those posts make their claims less believable.

There's a different reason to make damo's claim a little less believable now, but nothing to do with finding that wagon scummy, which you yourself also did, didn't you?

I did when I thought Vapor was mafia, but not anymore. The second damo post implies we should still be looking for scum on Vapor's wagon, and it is obvious now that the first post was setting up the second post.

[bozotheclown]

damo and xorxes should have been voting for Chaqa D2 based on their reads, so that implicates Chaqa as well.

Don't be ridiculous. Those reads were from before EOD2. I made it perfectly clear that Chaqa was my top townread after EOD2 and you know it very well, because we compared reads lists, so you are being disingenuous here.

What you said does not make sense, I said you should have been voting for Chaqa D2, not after D2 EOD.

[bozotheclown]

Are you trying to claim that because 1 Town was mislynched instead of revealing his role, any claim made under pressure is scummy?
What about EMC? He did the same thing and was actually the role he claimed, but we lynched him anyway. If Vapour had claimed, would any of you believe him?
The way that Vapour plays is unrelated to how I decide to play.

emc's claim was believable because he claimed tree stump D1, but some town suspected him and xorxes and Chaqa secured his lynch.

Vapor was just an example of what you should have done if you were town.

How did Vapor not claiming help town? You're not making much sense here.

He did not claim a town role at the first sign of pressure that would become useless if the scum found out he had that role. I think that should be obvious to you. Sure, Vapor could have claimed at EOD, but it would still make his role useless, so a claim would be no better than a VT claiming at EOD to avoid a lynch.

[bozotheclown]

I think the mafia did RB Vapor to set him up, and they were not concerned with the roleblocker being tracked because tracker was one of the fake claims. That is also why damo is so insistent that his vague claims could apply to the tracker, when he was probably hinting he was the inno child.

Well, I know for a fact that a scum would not want to hint that they're the inno child. And of course I knew that's not what damo could be hinting, so maybe it was slightly easier for me to interpret his claim. In any case Tracker is not the only role consistent with his claim, but I don't want to talk much about all that before EON.

It is not the only role consistent with his claim, but it might be the only role consistent with him claim that is on the scum fake claim list, besides inno child. N1 you were probably assigned the role inno child and damo was assigned the role tracker, since you could argue that N2 is later in the game than D1, despite the connotation that "later in the game" implies.

[bozotheclown]

I guess i did have the timing mixed up, but I don't think when I made that post I knew the deadline was so close.

And these EoD have been WAY WAY quieter/less eventful than the ones I'm used to. Is it the phase shift time?

In my case at least, yes. I can't be here for phase shifts during weekdays.

Why leave your vote on a single vote wagon then? Did you have no interest in affecting the lynch?

[bozotheclown]

So it looks like the scum team is Percy, Chaqa, damo, and xorxes, with worcej or Jamie as the last one. worcej did imply D1 he was VT, so if one of the VTs was among the scum fake roles, it would explain how he avoiding fake claiming a role.

In conclusion, it appears the scum team is Percy, Chaqa, damo, xorxes, and worcej.

To me it's looking like bozo, flash, dargo, bo_sox and Jamiet. I might be wrong about one or two, but those are the most likely.

I doubt there are any scum on your list.

[bozotheclown]

Pleas explain. How does Vapor flipping town demonstrate that?

I don't really understand why Vapor didn't claim. If he had claimed and we had believed him, we might have lynched scum instead. He probably thought we wouldn't believe him, but there was no harm in trying. Why do you think town should not claim when under threat?

Vapor had a good reason to claim, the others did not. Vapor's lack of a claim simply serves as contrast to the other bad claims.

You're not making sense. Vapor should have claimed but didn't. How does that make the claims of the people that did claim less believable?

Vapor did not claim at the first sign of pressure, as he shouldn't. Percy, Chaqa, and damo did claim at the first sign of pressure, which they should not have done if they are town. Vapor had a good reason to claim at EOD because he was easily the lead wagon. Percy, Chaqa, and damo were not the lead wagon when they claimed, so they never had a good reason to claim. I do not think I can make it any clearer than that.

Did it not bother you at all that Percy and Chaqa misrepresented the situation of their claims to make their claims more reasonable for town? What about the fact that Percy got the details of his claimed role wrong? What about Chaqa surviving the rdrivera NK?

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, what made you change your mind about that wagon being full of scum after seeing the flip?

The fact the Vapor was town.

[bozotheclown]

xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
damo: dargorygel, flash, EspressoPatronum, bo_sox, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor

This likely clears flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, and bo_sox.

Explain?

I doubt they were being bussed that heavily by xorxes, damo, and Chaqa.

[bozotheclown]

I think it is interesting and somewhat disheartening that we had three town clears and none of them were on the wagon that ended up getting lynched. Part of that is our fault but truthfully it’s going to be hard for me to drive wagons late with the timing of the phase shift.

Let’s analyze to see who I would have expected to sheep a town clear but instead voted Vapor - that would be likely scum

worcej had me fooled, but dargorygel is town.

[bozotheclown]

Pleas explain. How does Vapor flipping town demonstrate that?

I don't really understand why Vapor didn't claim. If he had claimed and we had believed him, we might have lynched scum instead. He probably thought we wouldn't believe him, but there was no harm in trying. Why do you think town should not claim when under threat?

Vapor had a good reason to claim, the others did not. Vapor's lack of a claim simply serves as contrast to the other bad claims.

I'm sorry, but I fail to see how you can point to something that had a bad result (us mislynching a townie) and say "YES! That is what we should all do! Don't claim if you're about to be lynched because that means you're scum. Let yourself die if you're Town. Like Vapour did."

That is clearly not what I am saying, please see my previous post where I went into this more.

[bozotheclown]

I was pretty behind before the flip, so I've done a quick skim to catch up.

Some things that stood out:
- I think scum pushed the Tracker!Vapor agenda. bozo mentioned that it looks like scum set Vapor up with the RB with the idea of him getting lynched... I agree with his. I'm assuming scum must have the tracker claim + knew Vapor either (a) didn't really claim Tracker + pushed the story that he did, or (b) wanted to kill Vapor to "regain" the tracker claim in their possible. With that in mind, I'm highly sus of anyone who was pushing the message that Vapor was tracker. I think that's damo, flash, and maybe a few others.
- side note. I was planning on waiting until night to push the rest of the tracker smokescreen. I don't think there's a need for it any more considering the above information.

- This looks like town xorxes. If it's scum xorxes, consider me fooled and give him a medal for switching up his scum game so much.

- Jamie/food - As strange as this sounds, I was aware of all the roles but never took a second to add them all up. So I read about the diseased cow, knew about the human/ant combo, knew about PT and RBer, and saw that they might have a goon, but I never paused and added them all up to 7. Fwiw, I also couldn't tell you how many town roles we started with either. I was more focused on the abilities over their distribution.

- Why does Chaqa think he'll be collateral tonight? In what world do scum NK him over our masons or conftown!Tom?

- I saw a few mentions of Percy by one or two people. Why lynch him now? We might as well wait until tomorrow when his power activates.

- worcej says he's okay being a wagon but vehemently attacks anyone scumreading him. His interaction with Foxcastle give off a survalist feel, which doesn't align with his proclamation of being okay as a wagon.

Chaqa is again claiming his "target" is likely to get NKed.

[bozotheclown]

Add Damo to the point on Chaqa above. Why do either of them think they're going to die tonight??

damo is implying he will be the NK because of his role. If both damo and Chaqa get killed tonight I will be proven wrong, but I suspect we will see them both D4.

[bozotheclown]

Been handling the pressure quite nicely, thank you.

Also, people refuse to think this owl ability through. What if they really have it? Then I'm almost confirmed town

Nobody takes this route of thinking. Also nobody stops for a second to ponder that there was no need for me to become more 'townish' I was fine before claiming this info, a scum rationale would be to be more clear, very few had votes on me prior to this day

Moreover, I got most votes as people were hopping on this 'fakeclaim' thing

If you're town, you did the right thing by claiming the roleblock, even if it gets you lynched. It's information that town needs to know.

Do you understand why the roleblock looks so suspect? Because you don't seem to.

There is only one role that scum would have wanted to roleblock N2, and that's the tracker. The only explanations for the roleblock are:

(1) scum think you're the tracker
(2) you are scum
(3) scum were trying to frame you

(1) is highly unlikely, because nobody took what you said about visiting flash seriously. If you were the real Tracker, the last thing you would want to do is announce that you were going to visit someone. You yourself explained that it was a joke as soon as you said it.

If scum were really worried about a Tracker, they would have roleblocked damo. So it looks like they weren't worried about a Tracker, for whatever reason, maybe the tracker is in their fakelist, or maybe they don't have a roleblocker.

(2) seems the most likely. If you don't at least acknowledge that and work from there, I don't think you can convince anyone.

(3) is a possibility, but I think it's a stretch, because sending their roleblocker on a wild goose chase has two risks: they could be tracked, or they could hit the absorber and give them roleblocking ability.

The fourth possibility is that scum are idiots, but I know you don't believe that.

This post secured Vapor getting lynched, yet xorxes moved off of Vapor when his lynch was essentially guaranteed.

[bozotheclown]

And just to see how ot would look like if I'm right about the scumteam:

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Vote Count Day 2

emc (6) Fox Jamiet Espresso flash xorxes Chaqa
Chaqa (5) bozo rdrivera Vaporwave foodcoats bo_sox
bozo (3) Percy emc damo
Percy (1) dargo
damo (1) ItsHosuke
ItsHosuke (1) worcej
dargo (1) brainbomb

Vote Count Day 3

Vaporwave (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo ItsHosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vaporwave
Espresso (1) foodcoats

xorxes has disproved his own scum team with the D3 vote count, but ignores it.

[bozotheclown]

I would like all town to take a close look at this table provided by xorxes, that shows his best guess at the scum team:

Vaporwave (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo ItsHosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vaporwave
Espresso (1) foodcoats

He is saying that he believes the entire mafia team was voting for Vapor, even though he thinks that worcej and Espresso are town. He thinks bo_sox switched his vote from worcej to Vapor when worcej and Vapor were tied at 5 to join 3 of his teammates on Vapor. He thinks Jamie moved his vote to Vapor 10 minutes before EOD to join all 4 of his teammates on a guaranteed town lynch.

[bozotheclown]

What did you do Vapor? I don't understand the town logic for that.

What do you mean? What did Vapor do that defies town logic?

You are absent most of the day and show up right after the lynch to blame Vapor for it?

Okay, I’m getting tired of Bozo, bo, and Dargo getting off the hook. We NEED to lynch one of them tomorrow.

I’m pretty sure I’ll be collateral damage tonight, so I’m going to try to leave the town with some good reasoning to vote for those three scum.

I've never hated to be right so much. Goodbye Vapour.

Ffs Now look at that wagon

These are the first posts N3 by the four I suspect are scum, a combination of going after the non-cleared town and taking credit for not voting Vapor.

UGH...

This may be NAI, but worcej is my best guess at the fifth scum.

[bozotheclown]

If my theory is correct, the remaining non-cleared town (bo_sox, dargorygel, Espresso, flash, foodcoats, Jamie, and myself) have the following roles, except for the one extra role: doctor, bulletproof, absorber, oracle, and 3 VTs.

[ItsHosuke]

If bozo's scumteam is correct... worth considering:

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

[damo666]

Add Damo to the point on Chaqa above. Why do either of them think they're going to die tonight??

If you are scum and you guys haven't figured that out, it's better we don't tell you. I think you're town though, so I will tell you tomorrow if I'm here which I assume I will probably be.

It's quite remarkable isn't it? There's hope yet.