Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

I thought Vapor was going down without claiming a role because he was being bussed, but Vapor flipping town demonstrates why we should be highly suspicious of Percy, Chaqa, and damo for their claims.

Pleas explain. How does Vapor flipping town demonstrate that?

I don't really understand why Vapor didn't claim. If he had claimed and we had believed him, we might have lynched scum instead. He probably thought we wouldn't believe him, but there was no harm in trying. Why do you think town should not claim when under threat?

Vapor had a good reason to claim, the others did not. Vapor's lack of a claim simply serves as contrast to the other bad claims.

[xorxes]

damo and xorxes should have been voting for Chaqa D2 based on their reads, so that implicates Chaqa as well.

Don't be ridiculous. Those reads were from before EOD2. I made it perfectly clear that Chaqa was my top townread after EOD2 and you know it very well, because we compared reads lists, so you are being disingenuous here.

[xorxes]

Okay, I’m getting tired of Bozo, bo, and Dargo getting off the hook. We NEED to lynch one of them tomorrow.

Add flash and Jamiet and there's your scumteam.

I’m pretty sure I’ll be collateral damage tonight, so I’m going to try to leave the town with some good reasoning to vote for those three scum.

Please do, yes.

[flash2015]

What did you do Vapor? I don't understand the town logic for that.

What do you mean? What did Vapor do that defies town logic?

You are absent most of the day and show up right after the lynch to blame Vapor for it?

He effectively claimed tracker N2 without any threat. By telling everyone he was tracker BEFORE he was able to use his role meant he would be likely to be RB (if there is a roleblocker) or NK...without making a meaningful contribution to town.

If he had tried this gambit N3 at least he could have potentially saved a NK with his commuter power...but claiming tracker N2 was silly.

[xorxes]

I thought Vapor was going down without claiming a role because he was being bussed, but Vapor flipping town demonstrates why we should be highly suspicious of Percy, Chaqa, and damo for their claims.

Are you trying to claim that because 1 Town was mislynched instead of revealing his role, any claim made under pressure is scummy?
What about EMC? He did the same thing and was actually the role he claimed, but we lynched him anyway. If Vapour had claimed, would any of you believe him?
The way that Vapour plays is unrelated to how I decide to play.

emc's claim was believable because he claimed tree stump D1, but some town suspected him and xorxes and Chaqa secured his lynch.

Vapor was just an example of what you should have done if you were town.

How did Vapor not claiming help town? You're not making much sense here.

[xorxes]

I think the mafia did RB Vapor to set him up, and they were not concerned with the roleblocker being tracked because tracker was one of the fake claims. That is also why damo is so insistent that his vague claims could apply to the tracker, when he was probably hinting he was the inno child.

Well, I know for a fact that a scum would not want to hint that they're the inno child. And of course I knew that's not what damo could be hinting, so maybe it was slightly easier for me to interpret his claim. In any case Tracker is not the only role consistent with his claim, but I don't want to talk much about all that before EON.

[xorxes]

I guess i did have the timing mixed up, but I don't think when I made that post I knew the deadline was so close.

And these EoD have been WAY WAY quieter/less eventful than the ones I'm used to. Is it the phase shift time?

In my case at least, yes. I can't be here for phase shifts during weekdays.

[dargorygel]

Rip vapor... I read you wrong.

[xorxes]

So it looks like the scum team is Percy, Chaqa, damo, and xorxes, with worcej or Jamie as the last one. worcej did imply D1 he was VT, so if one of the VTs was among the scum fake roles, it would explain how he avoiding fake claiming a role.

In conclusion, it appears the scum team is Percy, Chaqa, damo, xorxes, and worcej.

To me it's looking like bozo, flash, dargo, bo_sox and Jamiet. I might be wrong about one or two, but those are the most likely.

[xorxes]

I thought Vapor was going down without claiming a role because he was being bussed, but Vapor flipping town demonstrates why we should be highly suspicious of Percy, Chaqa, and damo for their claims.

Pleas explain. How does Vapor flipping town demonstrate that?

I don't really understand why Vapor didn't claim. If he had claimed and we had believed him, we might have lynched scum instead. He probably thought we wouldn't believe him, but there was no harm in trying. Why do you think town should not claim when under threat?

Vapor had a good reason to claim, the others did not. Vapor's lack of a claim simply serves as contrast to the other bad claims.

You're not making sense. Vapor should have claimed but didn't. How does that make the claims of the people that did claim less believable?

[damo666]

I expect to die tonight. The way bozo is talking lynch him tomorrow. Pretty sure darg and flash scum.

In Budapest worcej, time for game limited.

[xorxes]

What did you do Vapor? I don't understand the town logic for that.

What do you mean? What did Vapor do that defies town logic?

You are absent most of the day and show up right after the lynch to blame Vapor for it?

He effectively claimed tracker N2 without any threat. By telling everyone he was tracker BEFORE he was able to use his role meant he would be likely to be RB (if there is a roleblocker) or NK...without making a meaningful contribution to town.

It was pattently obvious that it was not an actual claim. Are you saying the scum team really took it seriously and that's why they roleblocked him?

If he had tried this gambit N3 at least he could have potentially saved a NK with his commuter power...but claiming tracker N2 was silly.

There was zero chance that Vapor would be the kill N3 or any night in the foreseeable future, with the number of clears around.

[flash2015]

What do you mean? What did Vapor do that defies town logic?

You are absent most of the day and show up right after the lynch to blame Vapor for it?

He effectively claimed tracker N2 without any threat. By telling everyone he was tracker BEFORE he was able to use his role meant he would be likely to be RB (if there is a roleblocker) or NK...without making a meaningful contribution to town.

It was pattently obvious that it was not an actual claim. Are you saying the scum team really took it seriously and that's why they roleblocked him?

How was it not an actual claim? He doubled-down on it the after EON. I don't know what happened here. Unfortunately he didn't come clean before he was lynched so I don't know whether he really got role-blocked or if this was just part of whatever play he was trying to make.

If he had tried this gambit N3 at least he could have potentially saved a NK with his commuter power...but claiming tracker N2 was silly.

There was zero chance that Vapor would be the kill N3 or any night in the foreseeable future, with the number of clears around.

If he could potentially give up two track results D4, why would he not be NK D3? Surely the tracker results would be valuable.

[xorxes]

@xorxes

I think I understand the argument now.

Vapor claims they crumbed tracker and were roleblocked. You had written in another post that it was least likely that Vapor was actually the tracker in this scenario, which made no sense to me. Vapor DID crumb and scum could've decided to block him or her.

Is your point that town!tracker!Vapor should never REVEAL they were roleblocked, because it confirms the RB had impact? And the tracker doing this makes it more likely they will be NK'd/blocked again? And you think town!Vapor knows this but scum!Vapor might make a gambit of it to fake clear?

Not sure if I should take this as a townslip or not, but just in case it is real, you should know that on this site the roleblocked person finds out that they were roleblocked whether they had any actual powers or not. Since Mafia already know who they roleblocked, revealing that they were roleblocked is always almost mandatory, because you don't want to hide that information from town, and you are not telling Mafia anything they don't already know.

I don't remember if it was you or someone else that wondered about Jamie's claiming not roleblocked. That doesn't mean anything: Mafia already knew they didn't roleblock Jamie, and it doesn't help town much since really the only one that needs to claim is the one who was roleblocked, not everybody else that wasn't. Jamie was not implying that he had a power that he was able to use.

[xorxes]

It was pattently obvious that it was not an actual claim. Are you saying the scum team really took it seriously and that's why they roleblocked him?

How was it not an actual claim? He doubled-down on it the after EON. I don't know what happened here. Unfortunately he didn't come clean before he was lynched so I don't know whether he really got role-blocked or if this was just part of whatever play he was trying to make.

I will look again, but I don't remember noticing anything like that. In any case, making them believe that he *was* in fact the Tracker after being roleblocked made perfect sense. If he had fooled them, it would have been great for town that he kept fooling them. What are you saying he did wrong?

If he had tried this gambit N3 at least he could have potentially saved a NK with his commuter power...but claiming tracker N2 was silly.

There was zero chance that Vapor would be the kill N3 or any night in the foreseeable future, with the number of clears around.

If he could potentially give up two track results D4, why would he not be NK D3? Surely the tracker results would be valuable.

If they believed him, they would roleblock him again. Why would they kill him when they had clears to kill? You seem annoyed that he was not in fact the Tracker.

[flash2015]

It was pattently obvious that it was not an actual claim. Are you saying the scum team really took it seriously and that's why they roleblocked him?

How was it not an actual claim? He doubled-down on it the after EON. I don't know what happened here. Unfortunately he didn't come clean before he was lynched so I don't know whether he really got role-blocked or if this was just part of whatever play he was trying to make.

I will look again, but I don't remember noticing anything like that. In any case, making them believe that he *was* in fact the Tracker after being roleblocked made perfect sense. If he had fooled them, it would have been great for town that he kept fooling them. What are you saying he did wrong?

OK, I didn't think of it this way. I guess that makes sense...but again there is/was no guarantee that mafia actually HAD a roleblocker. And it is still a waste of the commuter PR role.

There was zero chance that Vapor would be the kill N3 or any night in the foreseeable future, with the number of clears around.

If he could potentially give up two track results D4, why would he not be NK D3? Surely the tracker results would be valuable.

If they believed him, they would roleblock him again. Why would they kill him when they had clears to kill? You seem annoyed that he was not in fact the Tracker.

I am working on the assumption that if he didn't do the fake reveal until N3 mafia could believe he had one successful track.

[xorxes]

Updating for reference.

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Vote Count Day 2

emc (6) Fox Jamiet Espresso flash xorxes Chaqa
Chaqa (5) bozo rdrivera Vaporwave foodcoats bo_sox
bozo (3) Percy emc damo
Percy (1) dargo
damo (1) ItsHosuke
ItsHosuke (1) worcej
dargo (1) brainbomb

Vote Count Day 3

Vaporwave (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo ItsHosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vaporwave
Espresso (1) foodcoats

[xorxes]

And just to see how ot would look like if I'm right about the scumteam:

Vote Count Day 1

emc (6) Foxcastle Espresso xorxes foodcoats bo_sox bozo Vecna
bozo (6) worcej emc damo Percy rdrivera Chaqa
Percy (1) dargo
brainbomb (1) flash
Moscow (1) ItsHosuke
dargo (1) Vaporwave
damo (1) Jamiet
Espresso (2) brainbomb

Vote Count Day 2

emc (6) Fox Jamiet Espresso flash xorxes Chaqa
Chaqa (5) bozo rdrivera Vaporwave foodcoats bo_sox
bozo (3) Percy emc damo
Percy (1) dargo
damo (1) ItsHosuke
ItsHosuke (1) worcej
dargo (1) brainbomb

Vote Count Day 3

Vaporwave (7) flash worcej dargo bozo bo_sox Espresso Jamiet
worcej (3) damo ItsHosuke Foxcastle
bozo (2) Chaqa Percy
dargo (2) xorxes Tom
flash (1) Vaporwave
Espresso (1) foodcoats

[xorxes]

@bozo, what made you change your mind about that wagon being full of scum after seeing the flip?

[xorxes]

Now that the Commuter is dead. I can reveal that for a while I thought bozo had crumbed Commuter with this N1 post in case he was Janitored (Commuter is role number 5):

This is a test.

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