Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm surprised nobody wants to lynch Espresso...

[damo666]

All people not wanting to lynch Vapor please vote worcej. This is my near to last post today.

Worcej if you are town I'm sorry but there you go.

Good luck Vapor.

[Vaporwave]

Thanks damo, I've accepted my demise

[Foxcastle]

How many mislynches can we afford?
(Assuming an NK goes through every night)

If I remember, Day 5 is MyLo. So 2.

[foodcoats]

In the interest of not having a wasted vote, I will vote for Espresso.

worcej has been one of my scumreads since the beginning, but based only on a vibe. I added Espresso to my scumreads based on Jamie's argument about the DP smokescreen, but I also felt pretty null when I iso'd Espresso in the first place; I felt good about Espresso before I iso'd them, but I haven't been able to slot them as town when actually closely reading them. xorxes, bo, and Chaqa are my other scumreads, but there are no wagons on them. xorxes and bo in particular, based on my iso's, are thoroughly scummy and I would much prefer to lynch them than any of the current wagons.

I do not like the Vapor wagon, possibly out of spite. For some reason everybody is in lurv with the argument that Vapor's roleblock claim is scummy. Why not xorxes' ridiculous innocent child claim? I think you all play each other more than you are actually playing the game. Based on the blow-ups yesterday, there is obviously a lot of baggage between you all and I think most of you are not objective players. But I digress. Really I don't like the Vapor wagon because I never got a scum vibe in the first place.

I will also try to re-read worcej today and also read Vaporwave's iso. I recognize I need more than vibes to make a decision about these players. At the very least, the massive size of the Vapor wagon (it's 6 now, but it was 7) tells us something and I want to understand better the arguments that have built it. And I also think that worcej's extreme vehemence tells us something and the answer is probably in D1 and D2.

##VOTE EspressoPatronum

[xorxes]

First someone asked me why I haven't PR hunted this game,

Another asked for my Bozo case:

I think the same person asked both things. Thank you for your answers.

[EspressoPatronum]

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I added Espresso to my scumreads based on Jamie's argument about the DP smokescreen, but I also felt pretty null when I iso'd Espresso in the first place; I felt good about Espresso before I iso'd them, but I haven't been able to slot them as town when actually closely reading them.
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##VOTE EspressoPatronum

You read my ISO, which includes my reasoning for the smokescreen, but you like Jamie's case on my bcz of his DP argument.

Can you outline what about my reasoning for smokescreening was disingenuous? If Jamie is right and scum!EP used the smokescreen to fish for a glorified VT, I must have been lying the whole time.

[xorxes]

I do not like the Vapor wagon, possibly out of spite. For some reason everybody is in lurv with the argument that Vapor's roleblock claim is scummy. Why not xorxes' ridiculous innocent child claim?

Can you state in your own words what the argument against Vapor is? I want to know if you dismiss it for valid reasons or because you just don't understand it.

[xorxes]

I think worcej is town, but he says his death won't be a total waste.

I think Vapor is scum because of logical reasons, but he sounds so towny and his wagon is so full of scum that I don't know what to do.

I think Jamiet, dargo and bo_sox are likely scum. I keep flip flopping about bozo. I don't know what to think of flash. I'm leaning town on Espresso at the moment. I believe all of the claims.

[EspressoPatronum]

Heading off to work now. I'll miss EOD.

I'll pop in for a bit around lunch (2ish hours before EOD) + try to get current.

Jamie - I'm evidently not going to convince you of anything, so I have a request instead. Please read through my posts relevant to your case with the assumption that I am town. With that perspective in mind, could the scumslips you're seeing be interpreted as townslips instead?


Brief notes on the wagons:
Vapor - I had him as town, but the AtE and potential scum spew stuff are too scummy to ignore.

Worcej - solid scumread here. It'd also give us a chance to test out the conclusion of xorxes' D1 hypothetical analysis.

[worcej]

All people not wanting to lynch Vapor please vote worcej. This is my near to last post today.

Worcej if you are town I'm sorry but there you go.

Good luck Vapor.

You shouldn’t be sorry for lynching someone. You should lynch the scummiest person to you. If you have good reasons, don’t apologize for it.

But I already know your reasons are poor. Your case for me is ‘I don’t like Vapor’s wagon, therefor go this other direction’ - which is logic you should use on D1, not D3 when no scum are caught.

[Foxcastle]

All people not wanting to lynch Vapor please vote worcej. This is my near to last post today.

Worcej if you are town I'm sorry but there you go.

Good luck Vapor.

You shouldn’t be sorry for lynching someone. You should lynch the scummiest person to you. If you have good reasons, don’t apologize for it.

But I already know your reasons are poor. Your case for me is ‘I don’t like Vapor’s wagon, therefor go this other direction’ - which is logic you should use on D1, not D3 when no scum are caught.

Lowkey wounded that Worcej doesn't like me enough to give me that tenderness he's got for Damo.

[Foxcastle]

I am curious about the vapor flip, but I worry a lot more that he's actually town.

I would like to worcej flip.

Let's take a look at ##VOTE PERCY

[Tom Bombadil]

Foxy. What do you think about Jamiet? In particular his case on EP?

[Foxcastle]

Foxy. What do you think about Jamiet? In particular his case on EP?

I have been townreading Jamiet for the most part, but it's also true that the times he's been caught as scum, I have not seen it coming in the least.

I think there's a reasonable case on Espresso (here's mine), he's in my scumleans. However, one of the key elements (as I understand it) of Jamiet's case is that Espresso has over-assumed the janitor. He does make an assumption, but I don't see that as indicative in the same way that Jamiet does, and think it's something a townie could do.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think worcej is town, but he says his death won't be a total waste.

I think Vapor is scum because of logical reasons, but he sounds so towny and his wagon is so full of scum that I don't know what to do.

I think Jamiet, dargo and bo_sox are likely scum. I keep flip flopping about bozo. I don't know what to think of flash. I'm leaning town on Espresso at the moment. I believe all of the claims.

How hedgy is this post?

Wow.

[Jamiet99uk]

Out of Worcej and Vapourwave, I think that Vapour is more scummy looking.

Vapour seems to change his reads quite a lot, but in some cases he doesn't acknowledge his changes, or even behaves like they haven't changed. As has been pointed out, he went from scumreading me to townreading me, but then suggested he'd been townreading me since the early stages.

This smells of scum with fake, insincere reads that exist only to avoid being seen to have no reads. In my scum experience, making your reads look genuine is one od the hardest parts of making yourself look towny. My solution in some games bas been to bus hard - because it's easy to seem convinced of your scumread on someone when you really do know that person is scum. Here, I can buy Vapour as nervous scum, too afraid to bus, and thus presenting hedgy, lightweight, insincere, fluctuating reads - he forgets what he said his reads were, because they're not real.

[xorxes]

I think worcej is town, but he says his death won't be a total waste.

I think Vapor is scum because of logical reasons, but he sounds so towny and his wagon is so full of scum that I don't know what to do.

I think Jamiet, dargo and bo_sox are likely scum. I keep flip flopping about bozo. I don't know what to think of flash. I'm leaning town on Espresso at the moment. I believe all of the claims.

How hedgy is this post?

Wow.

How hedgy is it? I'm on the hedge on bozo and flash, and possibly on Vapor. I stated a clear opinion on everyone else. (I forgot food: townlean)

Could you give a similar summary of your reads?

[Jamiet99uk]

Sure, my reads.

Currently my strongest scumreads are:

Xorxes
Espresso
Vapour

All of these I've explained.

I also slightly less strongly scumread Chaqa.

The remaining scum could be Flash, Bo_Sox, Dargorygel or just maybe Percy.

I'm kinda null on Damo.

I townlean Worcej and Bozo.

Tom, Foxcastle, and ItsHosuke are confirmed town.

[Vaporwave]

Jamie, nobody has a perfect memory

I remember townleaning you MOST of this game, of course you and worcej can pick at it and see that my statement is not perfect

And I've confirmed both changes and some things that haven't changed in my list.

It doesn't matter anymore, I know exactly what to do in next game, this phase made me comprehend so many things that will make me much better for the future