Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

What do you mean by that? How is it relevant?

Damo suggested I had obtained special knowledge about his role, and implied this meant I was scum.

My only knowledge is based on his claim, I don't have any special knowledge, and I'm not scum, and I don't see what it is he thinks is a scumslip.

I hope he comes back and responds because I'm still perplexed about the mistake Damo has made, and I'd like him to explain what it was he thought was a slip.

Hmm, let's see, what could that special knowledge be? Maybe one of the two roles that damo could be is in the fakes list, and that's why you concluded he could only be one role?

I agree it should be obvious to Jamie what damo is talking about, but I did interpret damo's claim the same way as Jamie. If damo has a power that goes into affect N2, that would be sooner rather than later, as the expression goes.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Damo: Ok actually just to help you, go and reread page 150, that's where I expose the Espresso issue.

[damo666]

@Damo: Ok actually just to help you, go and reread page 150, that's where I expose the Espresso issue.

Ta

[damo666]

Does anyone have a better reason for voting me besides that I could be faking a scum visit during night?

A player faked doing that in a past game, it has to happen again, right?
This is like someone getting cheated on who refuses to trust a loved one when entering a new relationship

Good analogy. This is my reason:

damo was not killed or roleblocked because:

(A) damo is scum
(B) mafia are not concerned that they could be tracked because Tracker is one of their fake roles
(C) scumteam are all idiots
(D) something else

If damo is scum he is playing a fantastic game, but his claim condemns him and he will die soon. I'm discounting A for the moment.

We know C is false because Vapor has told us numerous times that this is the greatest scumteam ever.

I can't think of something else at the moment so I'm excluding D.

That leaves B as the right answer.

If Tracker is one of their fake roles to claim, then roleblocking you and risking you being absorber makes no sense, unless they also have the absorber role in their list and they wanted to frame you.

So even though I'm not completely convinced yet, for now I'm going to ##VOTE Vapor

If the next NK is not as I expect (C) is proven.

[damo666]

Damo suggested I had obtained special knowledge about his role, and implied this meant I was scum.

My only knowledge is based on his claim, I don't have any special knowledge, and I'm not scum, and I don't see what it is he thinks is a scumslip.

I hope he comes back and responds because I'm still perplexed about the mistake Damo has made, and I'd like him to explain what it was he thought was a slip.

Hmm, let's see, what could that special knowledge be? Maybe one of the two roles that damo could be is in the fakes list, and that's why you concluded he could only be one role?

I agree it should be obvious to Jamie what damo is talking about, but I did interpret damo's claim the same way as Jamie. If damo has a power that goes into affect N2, that would be sooner rather than later, as the expression goes.

OK I'm satisfied

[xorxes]

That depends on whether Percy, damo, Chaqa, or you are scum using fake claims to avoid getting lynched.

No it doesn't. Percy's, damo's and Chaqa's roles are not among the directly provable. They have no bearing on what I'm saying.

Let's try again.

Plan A- Everyone has to claim their role D1.

Plan B- Masons, Vig, Votestealer, Inno Child, Bulletproof have to claim their role D1, everyone else doesn't.

Which plan do you think is better? Do you see any benefits of Plan A that Plan B doesn't have? Do you see any benefits of Plan B that Plan A doesn't have?

I understand the benefit/drawbacks of the verifiable roles claiming, I am talking about the benefit of forcing all of the scum to claim their roles D1 without coordinating with each other. For instance, if damo is scum, he was able to imply an important town role to avoid getting shot, because there was an important town role on the scum list. If Percy is scum, he was able to avoid getting lynched because he claimed another valuable town role. Maybe you are scum and chose a role that would not be resolved until D7. So, maybe Percy's, damo's and Chaqa's roles do not have a bearing on what you are saying, but they do on what I am saying.

If I claim inno child then either:

(A) I am inno child
(B) Inno child is in the scum fake list

So how does forcing me and everyone else to claim help town?

Also, If Inno child is in the fake list, why do I claim it for myself instead of leaving it available for whichever of my teammates needs it most at the most convenient time? Do you think I'm that selfish as a team player?

[damo666]

13/17 reporting:
bozo: dargorygel, bo_sox, worcej, Vapor, Percy
xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
brainbomb: bozo, flash, bo_sox, damo, dargorygel
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: dargorygel, flash, EspressoPatronum, bo_sox, worcej
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
rdrivera: bozo, foodcoats, flash, worcej, bo_sox
worcej: Vapor, Hosuke, dargorygel, Chaqa, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum: damo, emc, Percy, xorxes, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor
Hosuke: flash, bo_sox, Percy, dargorygel, Chaqa
bo_sox:
dargorygel:
foodcoats:
Percy:

bozo: 3
bo_sox: 9
brainbomb: 0
Chaqa: 5
damo: 3
dargorygel: 9
emc: 4
EspressoPatronum : 2
flash: 6.5
foodcoats: 3
Foxcastle: 0
ItsHosuke: 1
Jamie: 2
Percy: 6
rdrivera: 0
Vapor: 3.5
worcej: 5
xorxes: 3

I am going to stop updating this list. I thought it might be useful to get everyone on record, maybe it will help when we start lynching scum.

This is odd we have darg and bo joint top of polls yet nobody is voting bo and I'm the only one on darg

[damo666]

@bozo instead of a simple count maybe take ranking into consideration? Especially as this is what you specifically asked for.

[bozotheclown]

I want people to respond to my Espresso case.
I think he's scum and he slipped.

If you don't agree, let me know why.

It is possible EspressoPatronum thought there were only 5 scum roles, as he said. However, since he has been talking about the power thief and janitor, I would expect him to understand all of the mafia roles.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo instead of a simple count maybe take ranking into consideration? Especially as this is what you specifically asked for.

Yes, I asked for that, but is it very unclear how many players provided their reads in any kind of order, so I did not want to make any assumptions.

[damo666]

Espresso knows that there is a Janitor in play - so much so that in discussing why Vecna wasn't janitored, he only considers scenarios in which the Janitor is definitely in play.

Town could not know this.

Ah rip, I thought there were only 5 maf roles.

In any case, my hypothetical still applies. There's a possibility that the DP hit the janitor.

This answer is strange. It doesn't address Jamie's concern.

##vote espresso

[damo666]

@bozo instead of a simple count maybe take ranking into consideration? Especially as this is what you specifically asked for.

Yes, I asked for that, but is it very unclear how many players provided their reads in any kind of order, so I did not want to make any assumptions.

OK

[foodcoats]

This is odd we have darg and bo joint top of polls yet nobody is voting bo and I'm the only one on darg

Do you think that we should all vote on the results of what is effectively a qualitative survey? I think this gives us a "policy lynch" option if we want it, but I don't think it necessarily will give us better scumreads or a better shot at hitting scum.

I'm kind of uneasy about it because of how it can be manipulated and provide cover.

[foodcoats]

Espresso knows that there is a Janitor in play - so much so that in discussing why Vecna wasn't janitored, he only considers scenarios in which the Janitor is definitely in play.

Town could not know this.

Ah rip, I thought there were only 5 maf roles.

In any case, my hypothetical still applies. There's a possibility that the DP hit the janitor.

This answer is strange. It doesn't address Jamie's concern.

##vote espresso

What? Yes it does. EP thought there were only 5 roles for 5 scum. Therefore the janitor would always be in play.

[Vaporwave]

This will be a smal AtE moment so skip it those of you that can't stand this sort of thing

It's not my first time to be honest with everything and have things turn against me, completely opposite of my intent

When I'm town I wanna offer information however it has been proven that it's best to be secretive even then

Everything is suspicious and people are not ready to accept claims at face value, especially not mine so...

I make a public promise that if a lynch on me will happen this day, I plan to NEVER claim any actions performed on me or results in upcoming games

After having negative motives attributed to my revealing of stuff too many times, I will refrain from doing so in future situations.

Thanks for understanding me and have a nice day

[foodcoats]

That said it does mean that EP didn't really read the setup, despite being Smokelord, Master of Deduction...

[foodcoats]

Everything is suspicious and people are not ready to accept claims at face value, especially not mine so...

Why do you think people are suspicious of you but not other claims like xorxes and damo? I do not get it personally and I am chalking it up to you all knowing each other better after having played many games... but I'd be interested to know why because I think xorxes is the Scumbaby for logical reasons.

[xorxes]

I agree it should be obvious to Jamie what damo is talking about, but I did interpret damo's claim the same way as Jamie. If damo has a power that goes into affect N2, that would be sooner rather than later, as the expression goes.

Both bozo and Jamiet are very meticulous and fastidious readers when they are town. The fact that they both interpreted "later in the game" as "late in the game" in an important claim could be a coincidence, but it is striking.

[EspressoPatronum]

I will today lynch:

- Espresso: For the reason I've clearly and repeatedly articulated, which most people are weirdly ignoring,

Or

- Xorxes: His push on me is fake, had its origins in a false narrative, does not evolve in the face of new information. In addition his hounding of the Masons was rather scummy.

I've never seen someone rationalize their OMGUS reads more that you're doing now, Jamie.

You asked why I thought your DP self-target was bad + you tunneled on my janitor assumption instead of addressing my answer.

[EspressoPatronum]

Second, I purport that [EP's] DP smokescreen was an actual attempt to identify the real DP, to help Mafia select their NKs.

Please explain your reasoning.

The entire point of the smokescreen is to mask the actual role without them having to reveal.