Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[xorxes]

Clears:
Brainbomb
Rdrivera
Foxcastle
ItsHosuke

Roughly towniest to scummiest:

Xorxes
Chaqa
Damo
Worcej
Bozo
Foodcoats
Percy
Vapor
Bo_sox
Dargo
Espresso
Flash
Jamiet

How is Chaqa so much townier in your POE than Percy? Their claims are equivalent, Percy arguably has more "scum agenda" but Chaqa has played too many excuses for their lurking in my opinion. Would you lynch Percy over lynching Chaqa if you had to choose?

Chaqa's claim is pointess as scum (bozo doesn't agree, but that's what I think) and felt completely genuine to me. Hopefully it won't come to having to choose between them, but it's a hard question. Obviously Mafia prefers us to lynch Percy if both claims are true, but Chaqa's claim has a higher likelihood of being true.

[bozotheclown]

There are too many unusual things going on with xorxes and damo, I suspect they are both scum who are agreeing on everything as some kind of too obvious to be scum teammates distancing. The would mean Chaqa is likely scum as well.

[brainbomb]

There are too many unusual things going on with xorxes and damo, I suspect they are both scum who are agreeing on everything as some kind of too obvious to be scum teammates distancing. The would mean Chaqa is likely scum as well.

well thats a ponderous post.

[xorxes]

Hosuke claimed mason in the middle of D1. Why wait until D2 to give those cryptic numbers that presumably can be used to ascertain who the other mason is? Why not do it D1? What if he had been killed and janitored on N1, how would the other mason prove themselves? Were they not the least bit concerned that one of them could be killed?

This is a flawed argument. If Hosuke had been killed N1, why would it matter if he was janitored? If he was confirmed as town, he would be confirmed as mason. Also, with a confirmation that the mason are town, the other mason would not have to prove themselves unless a scum counter claimed them, which would be unlikely.

Right, a counterclaim would not be impossible, but I agree it would be unlikely.

[foodcoats]

@damo, Jamie, and xorxes: Why should we not assume you were voting emc to protect Chaqa?

I partly voted EMC out of a mix of pure frustration and policy, and partly to save ItsHotsuke. I also made it clear I was ok with a Chaqa or Xorxes lynch.

I believe the vote was 6-5 emc/Chaqa. I don't have the voting history in front of me, but as a thought experiment anyway, if you were disposed to lynch either of the top two wagons, why did you "break the tie" in favour of lynching emc?

[foodcoats]

I've made it to the flip, shame about lynching EMC, but I hope we can use it to refocus on catching scum (i.e. Bozo).

Huh. Yep. Sure can bud.

[foodcoats]

I've made it to the flip, shame about lynching EMC, but I hope we can use it to refocus on catching scum (i.e. Bozo).

Huh. Yep. Sure can bud.

I'm sorry to ask this but I'm on my phone and don't want to hunt too far backwards, and after this post I only really see you buttering up Jamie. What is your case against scum!bozo?

[Jamiet99uk]

@damo, Jamie, and xorxes: Why should we not assume you were voting emc to protect Chaqa?

I partly voted EMC out of a mix of pure frustration and policy, and partly to save ItsHotsuke. I also made it clear I was ok with a Chaqa or Xorxes lynch.

I believe the vote was 6-5 emc/Chaqa. I don't have the voting history in front of me, but as a thought experiment anyway, if you were disposed to lynch either of the top two wagons, why did you "break the tie" in favour of lynching emc?

Because he was being incredibly annoying and unhelpful.

[xorxes]

Powers that scum may want to steal are Cop, Tracker and Absorber. I don't think anything else is any use to scum. And even Absorber would probably be useless.

Taking powers away from town is useful to scum whether the power is useful to scum or not.

Why? What would they want it for?

What use does the scum have for cop or tracker at this point?

Very little, but that's still more than an inno child or an oracle power, for instance.

It is possible damo was trying to take the mason power from Hosuke to frame him.

Possible, yes. Likely, not even remotely.

[Jamiet99uk]

Foodcoats is suddenly looking super investigative whereas D1 and N1 he was often absent and didn't contribute much. Quite a change.

[bozotheclown]

Powers that scum may want to steal are Cop, Tracker and Absorber. I don't think anything else is any use to scum. And even Absorber would probably be useless.

Taking powers away from town is useful to scum whether the power is useful to scum or not.

Why? What would they want it for?

What use does the scum have for cop or tracker at this point?

Very little, but that's still more than an inno child or an oracle power, for instance.

It is possible damo was trying to take the mason power from Hosuke to frame him.

Possible, yes. Likely, not even remotely.

To deprive town of the power.

[bozotheclown]

bo might be a scum candidate

we also don't want to forget about flash and dargo

is it a wrong tactic to make Hosuke's mason claim? I think masons aren't on scum's menu given how there are tastier meats on the table

I'm a bit confused because it was mentioned how both masons can be mafia and I think this is fucked up, but also very unique if Neph chose it to be so

maybe Hosuke's partner isn't as tight-lipped as he is, dunno what to think of him

I have Hosuke as town based on the common knowledge that masonry is of town alignment in all mafia games

Hosuke should be sorted out once the other mason (if there is one) speaks up, which should be around D5, unless circumstances force an earlier claim. He is not someone I would want to lynch until that happens.

No mason can be Mafia. There are either two town masons, or no masons. If the first is the case, Hosuke is a town mason, if the latter then his claim is fake and he is scum.

Here your position on Hosuke was one that I agreed with, I do not see a good reason for your change. It occurred to me you might have decided to try to out the other mason early so you could justify surviving the NK for the next 4 nights.

[damo666]

Taking powers away from town is useful to scum whether the power is useful to scum or not.

Why? What would they want it for?

What use does the scum have for cop or tracker at this point?

Very little, but that's still more than an inno child or an oracle power, for instance.

It is possible damo was trying to take the mason power from Hosuke to frame him.

Possible, yes. Likely, not even remotely.

To deprive town of the power.

Death does that. Doesn't need to be stolen.

[xorxes]

Taking powers away from town is useful to scum whether the power is useful to scum or not.

Why? What would they want it for?

What use does the scum have for cop or tracker at this point?

Very little, but that's still more than an inno child or an oracle power, for instance.

It is possible damo was trying to take the mason power from Hosuke to frame him.

Possible, yes. Likely, not even remotely.

To deprive town of the power.

But they only get the power if the townie is lynched. They don't need to deprive the townie of the power if they're dead anyway.

[damo666]

Aha. Now Xorxes is copying me!

At last. I won. Hurrah!

[bozotheclown]

Why? What would they want it for?



Very little, but that's still more than an inno child or an oracle power, for instance.



Possible, yes. Likely, not even remotely.

To deprive town of the power.

But they only get the power if the townie is lynched. They don't need to deprive the townie of the power if they're dead anyway.

Right, sorry.

[worcej]

There is one role that is neither assigned to town nor in their list of fakes, so they could gamble on being the last one and claim that though.

How would you know this?

Because the GMs told me that the mafia received a list with five roles. (I already posted about this before, and so has bozo.)

Will also echo that I confirmed this via PM to the GMs as well.

[bozotheclown]

So I doubt the power thief, if there is one, is going to risk getting exposed by trying to start lynches.

[flash2015]

Why did Dargo basically drop off the face of the earth for D2. Minimum effort.

Didn't he say he had a work emergency or something? Sorry, catching up on the last few pages.

[xorxes]

Hosuke should be sorted out once the other mason (if there is one) speaks up, which should be around D5, unless circumstances force an earlier claim. He is not someone I would want to lynch until that happens.

No mason can be Mafia. There are either two town masons, or no masons. If the first is the case, Hosuke is a town mason, if the latter then his claim is fake and he is scum.

Here your position on Hosuke was one that I agreed with, I do not see a good reason for your change. It occurred to me you might have decided to try to out the other mason early so you could justify surviving the NK for the next 4 nights.

Not a bad plan but if I was scum I would be much more cautious and not stick my neck out just for that. There were already two clears and several claims to lynch so plenty of time for the masons to out without so much noise. Unless both damo and Percy are scum and I was desperate to save them too. You decide how likely all that is.