Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

New scumteam: Darg EP Flash Jamie Vapor

Other possibles: Bo Bozo

O and maybe Worcej but not Worcej Bozo together

[xorxes]

The emc push also could have been a push designed to save Chaqa. I don't think Fox is scum at this point, so at a quick glance that would lead me toward Jamie and Espresso getting that one off the ground.

Chaqa has claimed Lover, and that he will die with an obvious NK, hard to see him claiming that as scum, so I would not waste time on that avenue. But I don't want to stifle your investigation.

[bozotheclown]

Was not including me in your top 5 scum and then voting for me more manipulation?

Yep I was seeing in scumChaqa would take the opportunity to jump esp if EvC was SvS. I am now townreading Chaqa.

I believe he is the lover too. But he better die with one of the obvious next few kills, or else he becomes a suspect. At least I can take him out of the lynch pool.

Why do you believe Chaqa when you did not believe emc was the tree stump? And why do you and damo agree on everything this game?

[brainbomb]

how long does emc stay around

[xorxes]

There was no reason not to let the other mason decide when to reveal, and we were not doing a mass claim, which I think would only have been beneficial if we did it day 1.

Only if you believed Hosuke was telling the truth. If he was scum, pressuring as early as possible before they could coordinate how to react was the best strategy.

Wait, just a bit ago you were telling me that the push on Hosuke came late to insinuate that I had plenty of time to go scumhunting elsewhere instead of defending. Now your story is that it came "as early as possible"???

"As early as possible" in that context means on D2 instead of some later day after they had time to coordinate at night, not early in the day.

[brainbomb]

sorry for missing. EOD. sunday-restaurant mamagement
2 pm

yea. thats never possible. sorry.
:/

[Jamiet99uk]

how long does emc stay around

Until the end of the next night phase (i.e. until EoN 3)

[Chaqa]

@flash: I was voting Dargo before this all happened. Other scumreads were Bozo and bo_sox. I haven’t read the last... dozens of pages yet though.

Really, lynching me probably isn’t that bad. My role is a bit of a liability for the town anyway and my lynch probably gives us an extra mislynch in the late game.

If you are a town liability, and you thought emc was town, why did you vote for emc to save yourself?

Is this a real post?

[bo_sox48]

The emc push also could have been a push designed to save Chaqa. I don't think Fox is scum at this point, so at a quick glance that would lead me toward Jamie and Espresso getting that one off the ground.

Chaqa has claimed Lover, and that he will die with an obvious NK, hard to see him claiming that as scum, so I would not waste time on that avenue. But I don't want to stifle your investigation.

That's good. In such case, you should have no problem answering my question, so please do that. In the meanwhile, you're right, I should begin considering the ramifications of his claim and probably let it sort itself out.

[xorxes]

I am 100% convinced that the seemingly random push on ItsHosuke was a distinct attempt to save someone.

Good deduction! It was an attempt by me to save Percy and damo. (Which you would already know if you were reading the thread.)

I'm reading the thread right now. You want to answer the question I asked you or is this a new sassy, sarcastic xorxes?

I'm answering as I get to the questions.

[xorxes]

Hosuke obviously should not have claimed when he did as town or scum, I think it was a mistake he made as a new player. However, he was much more likely to mistakenly claim his real role as town than mistakenly fake claim a role as scum. However, even if you did not believe Hosuke, there was no reason to push it D2.

I agree, that's how I started D2.

I changed my mind when it became the only option (in my mind at the time) to save damo and Percy.

I don't think outing Fox was a huge deal, and the gains from catching scum Hosuke was worth the risk of outing the second mason.

[bozotheclown]

New scumteam: Darg EP Flash Jamie Vapor

Other possibles: Bo Bozo

O and maybe Worcej but not Worcej Bozo together

If you think worcej and I could be scum, why not both?

[bozotheclown]

@flash: I was voting Dargo before this all happened. Other scumreads were Bozo and bo_sox. I haven’t read the last... dozens of pages yet though.

Really, lynching me probably isn’t that bad. My role is a bit of a liability for the town anyway and my lynch probably gives us an extra mislynch in the late game.

If you are a town liability, and you thought emc was town, why did you vote for emc to save yourself?

Is this a real post?

Yes, and why claim your role at all if you were OK with getting lynched?

[xorxes]

Do you think this is just bad play from Xorxes, Bozo, or do you think he's scum?

Because those are points that seemed obvious to me, as well, but he kept pushing ItsHosuke.

I can understand they may seem obvious to you because you knew (presumably) that Hosuke is town. From the point of view of someone who didn't know Hosuke was town, they don't seem obvious at all.

And what is the scum motivation of forcing you to reveal? Do you really think scum care that much who the other mason was when they already have a long list of others to kill anyway?

A clear on Day 5 is nice. A clear on Day 6 is nicer.

Yes, and I will take part of the blame for outing you. You may want to take part of the blame as well, maybe you could do nothing to make Hosuke participate more effectively, but maybe you could have offered me some other options to save Percy and damo than pushing Hosuke. I did not do what you wanted but you did not do what I wanted either.

[Foxcastle]

Hosuke obviously should not have claimed when he did as town or scum, I think it was a mistake he made as a new player. However, he was much more likely to mistakenly claim his real role as town than mistakenly fake claim a role as scum. However, even if you did not believe Hosuke, there was no reason to push it D2.

I agree, that's how I started D2.

I changed my mind when it became the only option (in my mind at the time) to save damo and Percy.

I don't think outing Fox was a huge deal, and the gains from catching scum Hosuke was worth the risk of outing the second mason.

This is wrong because thinking Hosuke was scum was dumb. What scum comes into game and jokes away their fake claim?

[Percy Williams]

I've got to leave and might not be back until after Eod, but I'm going to
##Vote Bozotheclown
The way he kept pushing the mass claim when we almost all agreed it didn't make sense, and the places he's been pushing have all seemed really scummy to me.

Why would you start a new wagon now...and then leave? You know you are going to essentially waste your vote...or are you trying to do this on purpose?

I'm reading through from where I was without seeing the results, but I don't have a death Pm, so I'm good to talk. Right now I don't really like the top wagons, and I think this wagon could catch on.

[bozotheclown]

##vote bozo

Was not including me in your top 5 scum and then voting for me more manipulation?

Yep I was seeing in scumChaqa would take the opportunity to jump esp if EvC was SvS. I am now townreading Chaqa.

This does not make much sense. If you thought Chaqa was scum and emc was town, you had no reason to think Chaqa would change his vote, and you should have voted for Chaqa.

[Foxcastle]

I can understand they may seem obvious to you because you knew (presumably) that Hosuke is town. From the point of view of someone who didn't know Hosuke was town, they don't seem obvious at all.

And what is the scum motivation of forcing you to reveal? Do you really think scum care that much who the other mason was when they already have a long list of others to kill anyway?

A clear on Day 5 is nice. A clear on Day 6 is nicer.

Yes, and I will take part of the blame for outing you. You may want to take part of the blame as well, maybe you could do nothing to make Hosuke participate more effectively, but maybe you could have offered me some other options to save Percy and damo than pushing Hosuke. I did not do what you wanted but you did not do what I wanted either.

What is this? No. Just no. There's no way I'm to blame for you spending your time pushing a mason claim to defend Percy and Damo's claim. I'm not your mafia mommy telling you how to go find scum. You don't get your reputation by needing hand-holding to go find scum. And I did suggest you go find other scum rather than spending your time defending Percy and Damo. The only person to blame for not taking my advice is you.

[xorxes]

Yep I was seeing in scumChaqa would take the opportunity to jump esp if EvC was SvS. I am now townreading Chaqa.

I believe he is the lover too. But he better die with one of the obvious next few kills, or else he becomes a suspect. At least I can take him out of the lynch pool.

Why do you believe Chaqa when you did not believe emc was the tree stump? And why do you and damo agree on everything this game?

I believe Chaqa because he said he will die soon. If he doesn't die with rivera or brainbomb (or perhaps with myself but then it won't be an issue I will have to deal with) then I will suspect him. But I believe him for now.

I doubt he would be my lover because he probably chose someone who usually lives long and that's not me. rivera would be my best guess but could be brainbomb.

[brainbomb]

I believe he is the lover too. But he better die with one of the obvious next few kills, or else he becomes a suspect. At least I can take him out of the lynch pool.

Why do you believe Chaqa when you did not believe emc was the tree stump? And why do you and damo agree on everything this game?

I believe Chaqa because he said he will die soon. If he doesn't die with rivera or brainbomb (or perhaps with myself but then it won't be an issue I will have to deal with) then I will suspect him. But I believe him for now.

I doubt he would be my lover because he probably chose someone who usually lives long and that's not me. rivera would be my best guess but could be brainbomb.

yea chaqa would legit pick me. sigh