Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

My scumpool in alpha order

Bo
Chaqa
Darg
EP
Flash
Fox
Worcej

What are your top five in order of confidence?

Somewhat forced:

Flash
Bo
Darg
Worcej
Chaqa

[brainbomb]

Jamie has convinced me. Im utterly incapable of dealing with xorxes when hes scum.

[flash2015]

Why couldn't the scum team be something like Percy, bo, Xorxes, emc, worcej?

[damo666]

IDEA:

ItsHosuke reveals his partner and we lynch him. We either sacrifice a town but gain a townclear or we bag 2 scum.

Seems a reasonable gamble to me.

Thoughts?

[xorxes]

Don't you agree his argument against me is not only contrived, but logically inconsistent? He says I'm scum, yet he also says I didn't know who had been nightkilled. If I was scum I would already know this regardless of anything else, because I would have been in the QT helping to decide it!

You are noy helping your case by pretending you don't understand why I voted for you.

If you are town: you were more interested in responding to Vecna than in finding out who was killed (purportedly because you were drunk and did not know what time it was).

If you are scum: you posted a cringe inducing attempt at a townslip by pretending you didn't know Vecna was dead.

I think you understood perfectly well why I was voting for you, and your attempt at distorting what I'm saying only strengthens my case.

[damo666]

Why couldn't the scum team be something like Percy, bo, Xorxes, emc, worcej?

Would require both Xorxes and bo to be bussing emc, not impossible I suppose.

[xorxes]

IDEA:

ItsHosuke reveals his partner and we lynch him. We either sacrifice a town but gain a townclear or we bag 2 scum.

Seems a reasonable gamble to me.

Thoughts?

I think he should probably reveal, yes, unless he gives a convincing reason not to.

Whether we lynch one of them or not depends on how believable their story is.

[damo666]

IDEA:

ItsHosuke reveals his partner and we lynch him. We either sacrifice a town but gain a townclear or we bag 2 scum.

Seems a reasonable gamble to me.

Thoughts?

Nah forget this. Masons about 4 times more likely to be town than scumfakers.

[damo666]

IDEA:

ItsHosuke reveals his partner and we lynch him. We either sacrifice a town but gain a townclear or we bag 2 scum.

Seems a reasonable gamble to me.

Thoughts?

I think he should probably reveal, yes, unless he gives a convincing reason not to.

Whether we lynch one of them or not depends on how believable their story is.

Xpost. Agree with reveal but probalities imply not lynching.

[Jamiet99uk]

B F or W?

I think he wants to remain unrevealed so I'm not going to comment further.

Just tell me did you get it from the numbers clue or another method?

Yes, the numbers.

[Jamiet99uk]

If you are town: you were more interested in responding to Vecna than in finding out who was killed (purportedly because you were drunk and did not know what time it was).

False. I did not realise that anyone had been killed because I did not notice the time. Therefore I was not aware there was a death in which I ought to be interested.

[Jamiet99uk]

This is absolutely how scum mislynch me. They push and push and push at the imagined "case", and try to make me look desperate and defensive when I rationally and reasonably answer.

[Jamiet99uk]

When has scum Jamie ever attempted to manufacture a townslip?

[xorxes]

The masons can very easily prove to us they're town: they post the exact same longish thing at the exact same time which they coordinate in their QT.

The only way this fails is if they have already prepared this at night, but that would require me to be scum with them to bring up the idea. (Highly unlikely they have already prepared a time they will post the identical same thing unless I'm a part of the ploy.)

This has to be done today, otherwise they will have the night to coordinate.

[xorxes]

This is absolutely how scum mislynch me. They push and push and push at the imagined "case", and try to make me look desperate and defensive when I rationally and reasonably answer.

Nobody is pushing very hard, you're looking desperate all by yourself.

[Chaqa]

Working on getting caught up now.

@Chaqa what's with the Martian reference?

I wasn’t trying to make any references, so I’m afraid you have me at a loss.

[Chaqa]

Okay, I’m caught up I think. If I missed any direct questions let me know.

I’m about to head down to Philly for a soccer game, so I’ll be in and out for most of the day. I should be able to get some more productive work in late tonight when I’m back.

[TrPrado]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

Percy Williams (3): worcej, bozotheclown, flash2015
Flash2015 (2): damo666
Jamiet99uk (2): xorxes, Foxcastle
Xorxes (2): Jamiet99uk, brainbomb
ItsHosuke (1): foodcoats
Unvote (1): ItsHosuke

End votes (1/8 on Jamie): Foxcastle
The following people still need to vote before EOD:
bo_sox48, Chaqa, dargorygel, e.m.c^42, EspressoPatronum, Percy Williams, rdrivera2005, and Vaporwave

The following people still need to meet the posting requirements before EOD:
bo_sox48, Chaqa, dargorygel

PERCY WILLIAMS is currently bound for extinction

23 hours and 55 minutes remain in D2

[EspressoPatronum]

I thought I had a townlean on Espresso but in iso'ing them, it feels more blendy. There's a lot of "oh dear sir/madam what do you think of such and such a thing?" Won't bother to quote it because it is a significant chunk of Espresso's posts.

That said, I think this is the only place where someone actually explained why mass claiming is bad in very real terms. I didn't see it at the time, but in retrospect... thank you Espresso.

What roles do they have to kill? No town roles are so powerful that it is obvious.

Massclaim defeats the strength of the commuter, bulletproof, doctor, and pretty much instakills our jailer. Not a good idea imo.

Count me against the mass claim.

This is useful as a marker for the future but doesn't necessarily say anything to me at the moment... except for the fact... Espresso, what did you mean that Vecna had claimed and it was provable?!?! This was before Vecna died...

My reads and thoughts so far:

Town (most to least)
BB - posts bleed town (claimed - apparently provable)
Fox - inquisitive, making good points. proactive.
bozo - I don't see sucm!bozo digging in his heels on the mass claim
Vecna - (claimed - provable)

Townlean
Jamiet - entrance seemed town to me.

Null (no order)
bosox - I liked his wall post.
rdrivera - I like the way he plays. Waiting on an excuse to put him in my town pile.
xorxes - his town gameplay in m1007 was night and day to his maf gameplay in m46. We'll know by D3.
Hosuke - (claimed?)
Vapor - I naturally gravitated to townreading Vapor in m1007 and am finding myself doing that here. I think I like his posting style, so I want to wait a bit to make sure my read on him is legit and not biased by his posting.
Flash - ?
Moscow (policy option)
Percy Williams - he's posted a fair bit, but nothing has stood out to me.

Scumlean
foodcoats - somebody raised a good point about foodcoats appearing active without adding substance. Good observation.
Chaqa - I recall disagreeing with a lot of what he's saying. Will have to go back to check this later.
Dargo - #560 is hedgy and he comes down on bozo for holding the massclaim belief. He also called out Percy for being hedgy in the first few pages of the game.

Scum (least to most)
damo - forced reasoning onto the EMC wagon.
Worcej - Nothing specific. Maybe I just don't like his post style.
emc - reactions to his wagon have been sus. Also a good policy option.

I really don't understand how this kind of strategy is supposed to work and it feels like talk for talk's sake:

Oh btw, I read an article on MU recently that talked about everyone sharing their fake seer peeks to allow the real seer to share their reads without having to out themself.

It could be as subtle as 'strongly' town reading someone after the night, to something more overt like, "if I were seer, I would have checked X." If everyone does it, it gives smokescreen for the real seer (or investigatives for this game) to do the same thing and share reads in case they get picked off.

Has webdip maf ever tried this? If so, how did it play out? If no, what are everyone's thoughts on it? We'd need close to a majority decision on it bcz of the reliance on the smokescreen effect.

Espresso, can you provide the promised iso of Percy? I think that would be useful now given they are top wagon. You also called them out for "scum theatre" above but have not voted for them. So give us the goods.

Just because someone is on the same crusade doesn't make them town. In any case, I'll consider your point + do a Percy ISO tonight.

I forgot about my Percy iso promise. I'm visiting some friends for the weekend, so I'll have to put it off a while longer. Sorry!

My Vecna read was wrt his vig claim near the beginning. He took it back in response to rdr and I moved him into my scumlean category.

I like reads lists because they help get a sense of where I'm coming from with my reads. I try to do them in all the games I play. In addition, Fox asked for my reads list.

Feel free to try reading into my writing style, but I try to stay diplomatic in all my games regardless of alignment.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE DAMO

Also, Xorxes, why are you pushing so many bad ideas this game? Like ignoring Percy until it's possibly too late? Or not just possibly mislynching a mason, but if it is a mislynch, exposing the other mason for the scum to NK?