Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[teacon7]

Okay so I'm glad we didn't hammer.

I'm not sure whether to believe Balki or not. Seems like a BA claim fits for him being either BA or mafia. Lynching him today doesn't seem like a good option, because if he's lying the real BA will take care of it.

I don't think balki should say who he scanned n1 as I don't want to risk outing a town PR in order to "clear" balki as 3rd party. There will be a time for claims later on. But I am curious... @balki - did you think you were scanning a mafia at the time? why would you then end up townreading the guy?

I've been getting scum vibes from foxcastle since early in the game. I don't like his tone, and he seemed like he was throwing more shade than anything else. I need to read him in iso so as to determine if a) that vibe holds true across the gap I missed, and b) reports on prado on foxcastle posted d3 are something I can trust. Don't take it the wrong way, but it's better to do rereading yourself.

so I scumread the guy before anything to do with prado. heck, I scumread prado too, so there's that. iirc the latest few pages have had people saying foxcastle isn't a good lynch today. Can someone please recap for me why fox is or isn't a good lynch today?

[rdrivera2005]

Hey Durga, you may have already answered this but how does the Xorxes RB fit into your read of him?

I admit it doesn't fit the narrative but I don't see how town xorxes lurks and doesn't contribute anything when we're fucking losing SO hard. It isn't possible.

And you wonder why no one's joining xorxes' wagon when you can't explain a crucial part of xorxes' gameplay...

Roleblocks can be faked, they could have chosen to not roleblock to avoid the Jornalist (like Balki is claiming to not kill D1), they can have roleblocked Dargo or Carl.
The only thing iweird is Xorxes isn't the first choice to fake it as it will get suspicious when he isn't nightkiled, but the RB claim doesn't give him a free pass.

[ChippeRock]

Chippe do you even have scum reads anymore? Isn't ND a scum read? Shouldn't that be setting off major flags for you. Who do you think is the scum team?

I've changed my opinion about both ND & TrPrado. I feel quite strongly about Foxcastle, and I think there's a better chance Flav's scum than town (though there's a good chance he's town), but honestly, no one else has provided enough for me to make a read off of.

[teacon7]

Oh also while I'm thinking of it: we shouldn't endanger the judge today or tonight. If the judge picks SvS wagons, it'll be bad for information but we'd get a lynch. We don't know if the judge will pick that, but I want that possibility.
picking TvT would be unqualifiably bad
picking MvT would be okay - information might be gained
picking MvM would be awesome - not for info, but then maf can't try to start town wagons.

[ND]

I admit it doesn't fit the narrative but I don't see how town xorxes lurks and doesn't contribute anything when we're fucking losing SO hard. It isn't possible.

And you wonder why no one's joining xorxes' wagon when you can't explain a crucial part of xorxes' gameplay...

yes, gee, wish i could figure out how to get dumb, dumb and dumber off fox's wagon

Ugh, say's you, this is basically what you said. I'll distill it for you.

Durga: Xorxes lurks and doesn't contribute anything (granted I'm suspicious of Xorxes as well)

ND: Look, I've found some stuff in TrPrado's reads that indicate a scan.

Durga: TrPrado isn't good at game. ND is dumb.

Like, really? This is silly. The only thing making me doubt this vote is Rdrivera and what he said about Fox. So, I'm going to sleep on it.

[Durga]

Chippe do you even have scum reads anymore? Isn't ND a scum read? Shouldn't that be setting off major flags for you. Who do you think is the scum team?

I've changed my opinion about both ND & TrPrado. I feel quite strongly about Foxcastle, and I think there's a better chance Flav's scum than town (though there's a good chance he's town), but honestly, no one else has provided enough for me to make a read off of.

There's 6 scum and you can't pick more than one person?

Guys, the whole game Chippe has played with the intent to get people lynched, and not the intent to figure out who scum is (it was Tom who made this observation). Now, he essentially needs one lynch to win the game, and his only scum read is Fox when there's 6 scum left. Maybe we really need to rethink this player.

[Durga]

Oh also while I'm thinking of it: we shouldn't endanger the judge today or tonight. If the judge picks SvS wagons, it'll be bad for information but we'd get a lynch. We don't know if the judge will pick that, but I want that possibility.
picking TvT would be unqualifiably bad
picking MvT would be okay - information might be gained
picking MvM would be awesome - not for info, but then maf can't try to start town wagons.

Why did you bother typing any of this? I think teacon is a good lynch candidate too because I feel like he's struggling to contribute in a game where there should be a lot to say.

[Durga]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

[ChippeRock]

Chippe do you even have scum reads anymore? Isn't ND a scum read? Shouldn't that be setting off major flags for you. Who do you think is the scum team?

I've changed my opinion about both ND & TrPrado. I feel quite strongly about Foxcastle, and I think there's a better chance Flav's scum than town (though there's a good chance he's town), but honestly, no one else has provided enough for me to make a read off of.

There's 6 scum and you can't pick more than one person?

Guys, the whole game Chippe has played with the intent to get people lynched, and not the intent to figure out who scum is (it was Tom who made this observation). Now, he essentially needs one lynch to win the game, and his only scum read is Fox when there's 6 scum left. Maybe we really need to rethink this player.

You've made no reads, and you're always going for policy lynches. Ooh! Let's lynch the cheater! Ooh! Let's lynch the lurkers!

Playing your safe ass game without any detailed reads. Hell, you can't even provide a detailed defense of your scumread on xorxes.

Damn hypocrite. Still can't believe you're written off as town when you've contributed little to this game, but yet you still post at an extremely high volume.

[ChippeRock]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

If Mafia takes their chances and kills Judge, our scum lynch attempt tomorrow is effectively crippled. You're just a damn idiot for not realizing how important the judge is for town.

[Durga]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

Here are the benefits of Balki claiming his PR scan
a) If he's scum, he'll have to make a fake scan on someone, and then he'll be outted
b) If he's BA, there is a chance he has scanned mafia instead of town. He just thinks this player is town, but both roles are now conformable, so it might not be the case
c) Worst case but also ok - we confirm he has a scan on a PR (judge OR innocent child) and we know he's BA. This is fine because that PR will be **SAFE** tonight since rdr has to die.

There is no downside to him telling us. The only downside is FOR MAFIA

[Durga]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

If Mafia takes their chances and kills Judge, our scum lynch attempt tomorrow is effectively crippled. You're just a damn idiot for not realizing how important the judge is for town.

You're a damn idiot for not realizing that rdr getting another scan is way worse for scum

[Durga]

I've changed my opinion about both ND & TrPrado. I feel quite strongly about Foxcastle, and I think there's a better chance Flav's scum than town (though there's a good chance he's town), but honestly, no one else has provided enough for me to make a read off of.

There's 6 scum and you can't pick more than one person?

Guys, the whole game Chippe has played with the intent to get people lynched, and not the intent to figure out who scum is (it was Tom who made this observation). Now, he essentially needs one lynch to win the game, and his only scum read is Fox when there's 6 scum left. Maybe we really need to rethink this player.

You've made no reads, and you're always going for policy lynches. Ooh! Let's lynch the cheater! Ooh! Let's lynch the lurkers!

Playing your safe ass game without any detailed reads. Hell, you can't even provide a detailed defense of your scumread on xorxes.

Damn hypocrite. Still can't believe you're written off as town when you've contributed little to this game, but yet you still post at an extremely high volume.

I actually listed exactly where each player was in my mind after EoN. So don't fucking lie you nasty shit. And stop personally attacking me when I point out the scumminess in your play. If you wanna scum read me, fine. But fuck you otherwise.

[Durga]

I will never play with ChippeRock again. He should be banned from this community (I haven't even fucking said that about ND - who for the record, is 100x more pleasant than ChippeRock).

[Squigs44]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

While I agree with you that Judge won't be NK'd tonight if he claims, I think that he should remain hidden unless in danger for the sole reason of having that claim / clear still available closer to the end of the game. I would rather have a clear later than today. Again if Judge is on the chopping block obviously claim an hour or so before EoD.

[Durga]

Chippe is blatantly lying.

He is deceiving the town. He has continuously deceived, lied (think back to d1), acted aggressively, contributed nothing.

Chippe has no scum reads beyond a "read" on Fox he largely stole from TrPrado (who he scum read before the flip).

Can ONE person tell me why he's town? Is it "he's too dumb to be scum"? Is it "he reacts to everything"? I can't figure it out. Because he's just made shit up this whole game and has acted like an asshole to everyone.

[Durga]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

While I agree with you that Judge won't be NK'd tonight if he claims, I think that he should remain hidden unless in danger for the sole reason of having that claim / clear still available closer to the end of the game. I would rather have a clear later than today. Again if Judge is on the chopping block obviously claim an hour or so before EoD.

This is crazy. We get so much more benefit from forcing Balki to tell us who he thinks PR is. Especially if we're leaning towards the idea that he's scum. NOT ONLY THAT, but the person he scanned could actually be scum!!!

[ChippeRock]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

Here are the benefits of Balki claiming his PR scan
a) If he's scum, he'll have to make a fake scan on someone, and then he'll be outted
b) If he's BA, there is a chance he has scanned mafia instead of town. He just thinks this player is town, but both roles are now conformable, so it might not be the case
c) Worst case but also ok - we confirm he has a scan on a PR (judge OR innocent child) and we know he's BA. This is fine because that PR will be **SAFE** tonight since rdr has to die.

There is no downside to him telling us. The only downside is FOR MAFIA

Rdr isn't as easy of a choice for Mafia as you would think. He has to correctly choose scum that has a PR, read them as having a PR, and convince everyone to lynch them. There's just not as good of a chance of that.

Judge on the other hand, has probably about an 80% chance of randomly selecting at least one scum (after eliminating obvious townies from the pool) if he randomly selects two players to the lynching pool.

If I were scum, I might be willing to kill the Judge rather than rdrivera - because rdrivera doesn't have a super good chance (closer to about 1/3) of correctly choosing a Mafia with PR.

[Durga]

That's fine. Evidence points to this judge being garbage so if they want to NK a shitty player they can go ahead.

[Squigs44]

People who are saying the judge is endangered if Balki claims are very sus imo. The judge would be perfectly fine because mafia have to rb Balki and kill rdr so we're not endangering the judge.

If Mafia takes their chances and kills Judge, our scum lynch attempt tomorrow is effectively crippled. You're just a damn idiot for not realizing how important the judge is for town.

Chippe, reporter is more effective than judge. Judge gives us 0 information, just limits our lynch pool. He still has to choose effectively, and town still has to choose correctly.
Reporter gives us real, actual information to inform our decision.

Information > Limited lynch pool (especially if judge is an idiot)