Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[FlaviusAetius]

See at least Squigs believes me
Im voting for FoxCastle and I dont care what you say Fox yes you have been reading me or at least pushing me ever since I dared to mention your precious name
##vote Fox
Again, Balki isnt a scum, but he sure as heck isnt BA

Why are you lying about something that's super easy to verify?

He only mentions you two times with regards to his reads (and only references "Fox" 8 times), and here are his only two mentions of you in reads (please note they are both very early into Day 1):

@Squigs My dad does this all the time.
MISTAKES DO NOT EQUAL LIES.
I clearly thought you thought that foxcastle was scum, you don't have to jump to conclusions and just call me a liar. Obviously, you could check that real quick, anyone could why even just call me a liar like that?

Anyways I also agree foxcastle is a townsperson
TrPrado, on the other hand, is probably scum

Squigs-Town
Foxcastle-Town
Balki-Mafia
TrPardo-Mafia
Connor-Town
Percy-Mafia
darg-Town
Carl Tuckerson-Mafia
et-Mafia
Moscow-Mafia
Nepthys-Mafia

Please note though, I still think you (Foxcastle) are the most likely to flip scum, but I am willing to switch over to Flav's wagon if that what it takes to lynch scum.

I just made a google doc and Im doing an ISO on FoxCastle right now
So you dont have to worry I'll find you where he did it

[FlaviusAetius]

Flav, WHAT? He has to be one or the other. He's not even claiming to be town, wtf are you saying

What do you mean he has to be one or the other LOL?
What if rdrivera is lying? Ever thought of that??
Goodness gracious
Why would rdrivera all of a sudden reveal Balki and Balki a lone?
Why would he do it so early in the day?
Does any of this add up for you? Balki is town and its obvious

FLAV. BALKI ADMITTED TO NOT BEING TOWN. HE SAID HE'S THE BLIND ASSASSIN.

MAYBE HE'S LYING AND THE BLIND ASSASIN KNOWS IT
HOW HAS BALKI BEEN SO SOLVY THIS ENTIRE GAME AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S SCUM
WHY IS RDRIVERA REVEALING HIMSELF SO EARLY
NOTHING ADDS UP

[ChippeRock]

Just took a glorious 4 hour nap. Fwiw, I don't believe Balkis claim and I think he is mafia. But it's really not worth lynching him since the real BA will kill him tonight. I think we have to lynch elsewhere and try to hit mafia.
I'm really confused by Balkis claim that he thinks he scanned a town PR N1. What he has claimed doesn't fit with optimal BA play. BA should scan people they scumread. Also the fact that he thinks he should claim it at EoN doesn't make sense. Why then?

Hold on a second, isn't it possible that scum roleblock the real BA (I'm assuming the can do that?) and prevent one of their own from being NKed?

[Durga]

fox isn't a good lynch because he's been getting subtle shade all game without any real pushes and that's probably bc mafia is trying to set up for his mislynch.

i can't read him that well right now.

so far, xorx is the best bet unless we see a massive change in gameplay style.

[Squigs44]

Again, Balki isnt a scum, but he sure as heck isnt BA

Flav, WHAT? He has to be one or the other. He's not even claiming to be town, wtf are you saying

What do you mean he has to be one or the other LOL?
What if rdrivera is lying? Ever thought of that??
Goodness gracious
Why would rdrivera all of a sudden reveal Balki and Balki a lone?
Why would he do it so early in the day?
Does any of this add up for you? Balki is town and its obvious

Why would Balki claim he is BA as town? Flav, think this through for a second.

[ND]

Again, Balki isnt a scum, but he sure as heck isnt BA

Flav, WHAT? He has to be one or the other. He's not even claiming to be town, wtf are you saying

What do you mean he has to be one or the other LOL?
What if rdrivera is lying? Ever thought of that??
Goodness gracious
Why would rdrivera all of a sudden reveal Balki and Balki a lone?
Why would he do it so early in the day?
Does any of this add up for you? Balki is town and its obvious

Your a nutter dude the guy said he was BA why would town do that? In your scenario why doesn't he say that Rd is lying and that he is town? He doesn't do that. He's BA or Mafia I don't see why Town would do what he did.

[Durga]

What do you mean he has to be one or the other LOL?
What if rdrivera is lying? Ever thought of that??
Goodness gracious
Why would rdrivera all of a sudden reveal Balki and Balki a lone?
Why would he do it so early in the day?
Does any of this add up for you? Balki is town and its obvious

FLAV. BALKI ADMITTED TO NOT BEING TOWN. HE SAID HE'S THE BLIND ASSASSIN.

MAYBE HE'S LYING AND THE BLIND ASSASIN KNOWS IT
HOW HAS BALKI BEEN SO SOLVY THIS ENTIRE GAME AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HE'S SCUM
WHY IS RDRIVERA REVEALING HIMSELF SO EARLY
NOTHING ADDS UP

balki is solvy because he has SIX scum to find. there's plenty to solve here.

secondly, rdr revealed himself because we're fucked

thirdly, why would a town lie...? why? please explain. if he's town he'd know rdr is scum.

[ND]

fox isn't a good lynch because he's been getting subtle shade all game without any real pushes and that's probably bc mafia is trying to set up for his mislynch.

i can't read him that well right now.

so far, xorx is the best bet unless we see a massive change in gameplay style.

K, to be fair I haven't scumread Fox, prior to this, but TrPrado's own final post and initial D2 vote indicates something to me. You disagree?

[Squigs44]

Just took a glorious 4 hour nap. Fwiw, I don't believe Balkis claim and I think he is mafia. But it's really not worth lynching him since the real BA will kill him tonight. I think we have to lynch elsewhere and try to hit mafia.
I'm really confused by Balkis claim that he thinks he scanned a town PR N1. What he has claimed doesn't fit with optimal BA play. BA should scan people they scumread. Also the fact that he thinks he should claim it at EoN doesn't make sense. Why then?

Hold on a second, isn't it possible that scum roleblock the real BA (I'm assuming the can do that?) and prevent one of their own from being NKed?

Yes but they would have to guess the BA. If Balki is BA, then he will be roleblocked perpetually (but after killing Rdr the reporter their RB is useless anyway). If Balki is not BA, they would have to guess who the BA is to RB them and stop them from killing Balki.

[Durga]

fox isn't a good lynch because he's been getting subtle shade all game without any real pushes and that's probably bc mafia is trying to set up for his mislynch.

i can't read him that well right now.

so far, xorx is the best bet unless we see a massive change in gameplay style.

K, to be fair I haven't scumread Fox, prior to this, but TrPrado's own final post and initial D2 vote indicates something to me. You disagree?

i think trprado is not good at mafia, so like, maybe he's right, but i'm not betting the game on it

[ChippeRock]

Just took a glorious 4 hour nap. Fwiw, I don't believe Balkis claim and I think he is mafia. But it's really not worth lynching him since the real BA will kill him tonight. I think we have to lynch elsewhere and try to hit mafia.
I'm really confused by Balkis claim that he thinks he scanned a town PR N1. What he has claimed doesn't fit with optimal BA play. BA should scan people they scumread. Also the fact that he thinks he should claim it at EoN doesn't make sense. Why then?

Hold on a second, isn't it possible that scum roleblock the real BA (I'm assuming the can do that?) and prevent one of their own from being NKed?

Yes but they would have to guess the BA. If Balki is BA, then he will be roleblocked perpetually (but after killing Rdr the reporter their RB is useless anyway). If Balki is not BA, they would have to guess who the BA is to RB them and stop them from killing Balki.

Yes, a pretty safe bet than to just ignore Balki than.

[ND]

fox isn't a good lynch because he's been getting subtle shade all game without any real pushes and that's probably bc mafia is trying to set up for his mislynch.

i can't read him that well right now.

so far, xorx is the best bet unless we see a massive change in gameplay style.

K, to be fair I haven't scumread Fox, prior to this, but TrPrado's own final post and initial D2 vote indicates something to me. You disagree?

i think trprado is not good at mafia, so like, maybe he's right, but i'm not betting the game on it

Ok then, I guess this comes down to if you think TrPrado is competent enough to indicate his scan. I believe he is.

[Foxcastle]

"I feel Fox and teacon are also probably scum. Nephthys falls in just behind them. I'm less sure about the rest, but rdrivera and damo seem like they're deserving of trying to pull more from. I haven't had the opportunity to do a deep dive after D2." (TrPrado, 164)

If you look at that as a scum order from most likely to least he has: Fox, Teacon, Neph, rd, Damo.

If you look at his first vote after N1 on page 101 it's for Fox. (TrPrado, 101)

It looks like this he starts D2 voting Fox and holds that read as the most important in his final post on page 164. So, kind of vague, but him having a scan on Fox makes sense. He begins the day with a vote on Fox and ends the night holding that position. No change indicates a result in my mind.

I don't think Balki should be an option if he is claiming BA, at least not today, simply because we need him to stand a chance now. That's the position we are in.

I think Fox is a good candidate based on what I'm seeing from TrPrado

##VOTE FOXCASTLE

Is this because you believe TrPrado had a guilty scan on me (because that doesn't compute, you'd think he'd have put me out front separate from Teacon with more emphasis than "feeling" if so) or because you're sheeping TrPrado because we now know his alignment (he was still wrong).

Well you explain why he starts the day voting for you then lists you first in his final post of scum suspects? I don't really see what other leads we have to go on. Are you going to tell me objectively a no change like that after 60+ pages doesn't indicate a scan result? TrPrado isn't some noob I'm confident he knows how to order a read list in the event he gets a information type role.

I think if he had a scan result on me, it'd be more clear. More emphasis, less lumping me in with teacon. Particularly when you look at his progression on Squigs.

He's scumreading Squigs N1 with 12 hours to go.

And then early in D2, "I'll look back at Squigs again but he doesn't feel as scummy as he did when I first reread him."

Followed by,"I think I’m starting to like the Squigster. Nice towny day. I was too hard on him because Flavius was being fuckin wack but now I feel bad."

That progression seems more like TrPrado trying to work in an inno scan without looking like he's the cop.

I know he didn't have an inno scan on me, but I also don't think that's a reasonable conclusion from how his reads went.

[ChippeRock]

Is this because you believe TrPrado had a guilty scan on me (because that doesn't compute, you'd think he'd have put me out front separate from Teacon with more emphasis than "feeling" if so) or because you're sheeping TrPrado because we now know his alignment (he was still wrong).

Well you explain why he starts the day voting for you then lists you first in his final post of scum suspects? I don't really see what other leads we have to go on. Are you going to tell me objectively a no change like that after 60+ pages doesn't indicate a scan result? TrPrado isn't some noob I'm confident he knows how to order a read list in the event he gets a information type role.

I think if he had a scan result on me, it'd be more clear. More emphasis, less lumping me in with teacon. Particularly when you look at his progression on Squigs.

He's scumreading Squigs N1 with 12 hours to go.

And then early in D2, "I'll look back at Squigs again but he doesn't feel as scummy as he did when I first reread him."

Followed by,"I think I’m starting to like the Squigster. Nice towny day. I was too hard on him because Flavius was being fuckin wack but now I feel bad."

That progression seems more like TrPrado trying to work in an inno scan without looking like he's the cop.

I know he didn't have an inno scan on me, but I also don't think that's a reasonable conclusion from how his reads went.

You *know* - how do you "know"?

[Durga]

I agree with Fox. It obviously doesn't clear Fox, but I think Tr - given all the scrutiny he was under - would make a Fox scum scan **very** clear. And I'm not convinced he did

[Squigs44]

I swear if all of the stupidity in this game is actually mafia just playing dumb I'm going to be very angry.

If all of the stupidity in this game is actually town being stupid then I have lost faith in humanity

[ND]

Well you explain why he starts the day voting for you then lists you first in his final post of scum suspects? I don't really see what other leads we have to go on. Are you going to tell me objectively a no change like that after 60+ pages doesn't indicate a scan result? TrPrado isn't some noob I'm confident he knows how to order a read list in the event he gets a information type role.

I think if he had a scan result on me, it'd be more clear. More emphasis, less lumping me in with teacon. Particularly when you look at his progression on Squigs.

He's scumreading Squigs N1 with 12 hours to go.

And then early in D2, "I'll look back at Squigs again but he doesn't feel as scummy as he did when I first reread him."

Followed by,"I think I’m starting to like the Squigster. Nice towny day. I was too hard on him because Flavius was being fuckin wack but now I feel bad."

That progression seems more like TrPrado trying to work in an inno scan without looking like he's the cop.

I know he didn't have an inno scan on me, but I also don't think that's a reasonable conclusion from how his reads went.

You *know* - how do you "know"?

Yeah, I would like to know too @Fox

[FlaviusAetius]

Ok, Im just bad
I reread the description of all the roles and Balki is definitely BA, if not he's scum, but I guess it doesnt matter
Im still going to ISO FoxCastle, and not so good stuff from you Fox!
FOR EXAMPLE look at what I wrote so far

Page 3 and he’s already scumreading people, yipee!
Can’t you just sit and talk even a little bit? Even if its about the game why you have to be like that?
Balki had to go
Squigs had his dude
YOU? Nothing

Basically all he’s done by Page 30 is say Im not scum because I was wild last game as well as this one and its not scum indictive, yet he uses my comments now to indicate me
Go away

He’s also on Squigs because he was acting differently this game than last game, makes no sense, why are you even using meta

Also guess what FoxCastle I went back and look what I found here; it was me and you who supported the idea of lists why didnt you ever mention this??? Instead youve been reading me because I never went back and just thought it was Squigs, ridiculous AGAIN

[Durga]

I swear if all of the stupidity in this game is actually mafia just playing dumb I'm going to be very angry.

If all of the stupidity in this game is actually town being stupid then I have lost faith in humanity

Same. Sammmeeee. I'm losing it. Maybe we should just lynch ND. I feel like his jump on Fox was super opportunistic.

Pls vote xorxes tho

[Durga]

I think if he had a scan result on me, it'd be more clear. More emphasis, less lumping me in with teacon. Particularly when you look at his progression on Squigs.

He's scumreading Squigs N1 with 12 hours to go.

And then early in D2, "I'll look back at Squigs again but he doesn't feel as scummy as he did when I first reread him."

Followed by,"I think I’m starting to like the Squigster. Nice towny day. I was too hard on him because Flavius was being fuckin wack but now I feel bad."

That progression seems more like TrPrado trying to work in an inno scan without looking like he's the cop.

I know he didn't have an inno scan on me, but I also don't think that's a reasonable conclusion from how his reads went.

You *know* - how do you "know"?

Yeah, I would like to know too @Fox

Are you kidding. If he had an inno scan on Fox he wouldn't be scum reading Fox.