Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Balki Bartokomous]

Running around with Little Balkis so no time for a proper Last Will & Testament.

If I flip, my best guess on scumbuckets is: Xorx, Fox, TrPrado. I’m pretty fuzzy on the others, but I’m interested in teacon, damo, Percy, Peter.

Feeling very Town on Durga/Tom after they flipped their pushes Day 2 to protect Town!Espresso. Townish on Flavius after a N1 ISO. I think all the loud arguing Night 1 was from Townies (Chippe, and likely ND too).

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Balki, as I explained in a previous post, it's a horrible idea for the BA to strictly NK the top vote getter. If he (or she) wants to take into account Town's opinions, than he should just kill someone from the top 3.

Chippe, I don’t think the BA will take my advice, or yours, on how to play, so this doesn’t matter. But we want the BA vote to feel as weighty as possible so that the votes have real meaning. And I think BA wants that too. That’s why BA will actually kill the leading vote recipient.

[TrPrado]

Hi back at my computer for the first time in well over 24 hours

[xorxes]

Hi back at my computer for the first time in well over 24 hours

What?

[Durga]

xorx are you BA >:(

[xorxes]

I think this is right:

BLIND ASSASSIN VOTE 1.2
Percy Williams (2): Tom Bombadil, Squigs44
Squigs44 (1): Durga
Teacon (1): TrPrado
Flavius (1): Foxcastle
ET (1): ND
Neph (1): ET
FoxCastle (1): ChippeRock
xorxes (2): rdrivera, Balki

Currently, Percy Williams or Xorxes is set to be killed by the Blind Assassin. You have less than 2 hours to vote.

I do expect the leading vote getting to be assassinated. If for no other reason, it just raises the stakes for this vote on N3 so much, and helps Town and Blind Assassin. Ignore this vote at your peril.

And there is no reason you can’t change your vote if your top choice is not gaining steam.

Funny you missed my vote when doing my ISO

[xorxes]

xorx are you BA >:(

No, I'm not, but I wouldn't tell you if I was.

[peterlund]

BLIND ASSASSIN VOTE 1.2

It is important that the BA hits scum next. I agree with the general sentiment that the BA needs to hit scum next for him/her to have a chance of winning as a third part as well as for town to have a proper chance at the win.

But as I am currently reading D1 at page 30 while reading N2 in parallel, I am not yet able to give any valuable advice to the BA who scum is. When I finish reading D1 I will give my impression up to that point FWIW.

[Durga]

thank god for peterlund!!

also, lol how many mislynches do we have in the worst case scenario

[TrPrado]

Hi back at my computer for the first time in well over 24 hours

What?

I spent the last half of D2 and most of N2 on my phone

[xorxes]

Link to where you’ve presented those townreads before I called you out on it.

Go look for them!

Can you give us your reads as well?

So I did go look at them. Some of them are referenced (e.g., Durga, Chippe, et, Prado, Percy), many of them in the list are new. But they are all surprisingly consistent. Has nothing happened this game that's caused any shift in any of your reads, Xorxes?

I had a few shifts, yes. You, Prado and Squigs all started scumside and moved townside with time. Prado just made a weird assertion that I'm not sure what it is supposed to mean.

Balki started townside, but I don't know what he is doing now with this push on me. All I did is ask him a question about why he didn't tie the vote like he said he wanted when he had an opportunity to do so, and instead of answering he decides to start scumreading me.

I've had some doubts about Tom, mainly because it seemed to me he was buddying Durga, Balki and myself at times, but his reads I think have been on point.

I don't think any of my reads have been very static, I still don't have a clear picture though.

[FlaviusAetius]

I am so sorry guys, I got invited to a lot of last-minute graduation parties and they don't end until late at night, in which I am dead tired and fall asleep, one after the other has made me come back from church and just sleep for two hours which leads me to now, having a graduation party in one hour
My official graduation is tomorrow, but I won't be busy the entire day dont worry
I will use this last hour to catch up to speed

[xorxes]

Hi back at my computer for the first time in well over 24 hours

What?

I spent the last half of D2 and most of N2 on my phone

Ah, sorry, I thought you meant you had not been online for 24 hs. Nevermind.

[FlaviusAetius]

I just saw the Blind Assasin vote thing, Im going to vote for Percy solely because I think its smart to policy lynch xorxes Night 3, not Night 2
Im going to look at the arguments though and I might change

[TrPrado]

So I tried looking back at Flavius giving him the benefit of the doubt since two of my other scumreads died and flip town and my Squigs read has been shifting, but between basing reads on who does and does not agree with him and also his pattern of lies, mischaracterizing everyone's statements and questions, and his ignoring of key questions I feel like he's getting away with too much too easily.

The first and less essential point is him being dodgy about his experience in certain roles:

First game Im being accused of being scum :shrugs:

Its simple its a smart thing to do as Scum. Act like you are doing everything, when really you've done absolutely nothing it was one of the criteria I put on for my list
This was EXACTLY what I tried to do as mafia on the first game I played here

If your first game is as scum, never use that as the basis of what is scum behavior.

And why not? Also it wasnt my first game, Ive played live games before, I was just pointing out what I did as scum, which was poke holes in everyone's arguments and ask questions. Anyone who does that(like you) are scum.

Onto a much more essential point is his relationship with Squigs. By this point we're all obviously familiar with #SquigsDude and him thinking to put a list together where he reads Squigs as town, but then he ascribes things to Squigs he never said

We already specifically discussed this with Squigs about why IT IS HELPFUL

Weare asking for gutreads right off the bat, you went directly against that idea, also I did provide criteria to my list, aka an explination

The "we" is later elaborated as himself and Squigs. Also throughout the day he comes to the defense of Squigs:

You two dont even realize though that Squig is doing it because its helpful...
What else are you going to do on Day 1??
You are purposefully ignoring the fact of Squig's dude that came up with this idea
Either both of you didnt read the game or you are lying

I'm just sayin', but Squigs has been jumping on easy bandwagons. First Flav for his "lie", and me because I'm acting cryptically, not helping Town, and being "obtuse".

That deserves at least some investigation in my opinion, OMGUS or not.

Easy Bandwagons??
Squigs is the one who STARTED IT

With this latter point, I've asked Flavius to explain why he's felt the need to do this, but he ignored it D1:

Why are you so defensive of Squigs's every action?

First time getting accused, Im going to defend myself with all I got

And when Squigs and I have pressed him for an answer since then he's ignored it every time. He also reads people based on whether or not they agree with him

POST #781
@teacon
I was playing just fine last game, you and xorxes needed to die to continue the game, both of you came out awful, and it was never going to be solved unless you and him both died. Simple as that.
ALSO you did some pretty scummy stuff too like not providing a list of town when I asked, and coming after me for things vapor said, after you said what he said made him a COP.

Agreed! Anyone who went after Chippie day 1 is just way to suspicious in my mind, there's more than enough content to find other people! Oh and by the way guys I am only on page 40, but I'll do the same thing as last time and go back and forth

Why do you [Durga] keep avoiding TrPrado, like your the only one who didnt park the vote on bozo that voted for me over TrPrado

Scum would want to blend in - voting for lynches that a lot of people can agree to without questioning is something scum would do.

Oh yeah because my push on Neph was so indicative of my desire to blend in. Just shut up you lying scummy asshole. Go talk to your scum friends and leave us alone so we can figure out the game. Lord knows if you're somehow town you'll never be able to do it.

In fact - I've seen no indication of your desire to game solve beyond your vitriol at other players for apparently not game solving. You point fingers and claim someone is scummy for actions that are actually either townie or NAI. And that's all you've "contributed".

All he's contributed?? WHAT?
He tried getting TrPrado lynched, something you did not want to jump on
Could you explain why you didnt join the momentum on that wagon?
Which COULD of prevented bozo from dying

Foxcastle definetly was inactive at the end of the day, whyd he keep his vote on me??
I thought you were town, so who did you get convinced by @Foxcastle?

Anyone who wanted to kill TrPrado with me is obvious [town], because they didnt settle on two bad wagons, and instead actually tried to solve with an hour left in the day, this includes;
Me, Connor, Chippie, Carl and Tom.
Carl is now dead, and he turned out a town

I just can't shake this guy.

[FlaviusAetius]

ANY OTHER HINTS YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE THE SCUM TEAM?

Really Fox?

I just find it too ironic that Percy responds to Tom's very sensible admonition against PR hunting with ideas for PR hunting.

Big facts

[Squigs44]

thank god for peterlund!!

also, lol how many mislynches do we have in the worst case scenario

Basically 1

[Tom Bombadil]

I just saw the Blind Assasin vote thing, Im going to vote for Percy solely because I think its smart to policy lynch xorxes Night 3, not Night 2
Im going to look at the arguments though and I might change

Can you explain what you mean when you say its smart to policy lynch xorxes Night 3?

[Squigs44]

I just saw the Blind Assasin vote thing, Im going to vote for Percy solely because I think its smart to policy lynch xorxes Night 3, not Night 2
Im going to look at the arguments though and I might change

We don't lynch anyone at night

[FlaviusAetius]

TrPrado its not because they agreed with me, its because they didnt go on an easy wagon, that was me or bozo, but instead were still interested in trying to find a better candidate, we had an hour left, more than enough time, and more than enough people to dos