Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Tom Bombadil]

Guys, I want to win. Let’s do better. We’re down 4-0. Need to turn this around now.

Agreed. I feel really lost this game. At this point I usually feel like I have several really strong townreads, but I don't even really have that.

I'm hoping fresh eyes tomorrow will help.

I think Tom rolled scum this time. This is so surface level.

What do you mean surface level? Of all the posts I made, it seems weird to latch on to this one.

[rdrivera2005]

GM NOTE

Rdrivera, that vote is not valid. You have only two vote options today.

I know, I was reading the thread and voted before reading the Judge post.

##unvote

[rdrivera2005]

Agreed. I feel really lost this game. At this point I usually feel like I have several really strong townreads, but I don't even really have that.

I'm hoping fresh eyes tomorrow will help.

I think Tom rolled scum this time. This is so surface level.

What do you mean surface level? Of all the posts I made, it seems weird to latch on to this one.

I can't believe you don't have at least two or three solid townreads at this point. Durga, Balki, Chippe for example.

[Tom Bombadil]

Are those your townreads?

[et]

OK. I hadn't focused on Espresso strongly.
So I have no idea Espresso is townie or scumy for now.
I check Espresso's post from now.
And if every one have any questions, please ask me.

[Foxcastle]

##vote Foxcastle

That's where my head is right now. Though, I am not at all confident. And I have not ISOed Fox, and I need to do that. But here are the impressions in my mind:

Fox has been sitting back, cracking jokes all the time, super chill. He has sprinkled in comments. He's been around. But he has not been taking stands. Most of his reads have been about gathering information or enforcing policies. He has not taken a stand on anything likely to get pushback. He has not made any scumread on an experienced player who would put him in the spotlight.

He's playing to avoid confrontation.

I made a similar read on him for similar reasons the last time we played together, and I was right at that time. I feel like he may be scum again here.

This has also been a mis-read on me as town. (In a game about a year ago, if I recall? I've disproportionately rolled scum, so it might be longer.) It is just how I play. I can see how it would irritate you as a lawyer. But I have been trying to elicit information and trying to parse others' content. If you find something in my ISO to push me, fine, but if you have to fall back on this meta-read of me, then I hope in the next game you (and Durga, too) will give up this nonsense.

Perhaps in the future, I will just lurk, since that seems to be a free pass.

[Foxcastle]

Et and EspressoPatronum seem like a terrible face-off. I haven't scumread either of them. Although, Espresso's flip would leave only Teacon7 as a real question on the D1 independent wagons (for me, since I townread ND and probably Xorxes).

That would make Flavius's flip even more valuable to know if he was saved and if scum would disproportionately be on Bozo.

[EspressoPatronum]

@worcej while you're here, and sorry if i missed it somewhere, can you explain how the car bomb works? would the assassin have to pick the target on d1 or could they pick their target on n1?

The car bomb explanation is here:

GM Note:
I forgot to edit my intro post with this info... but the Assassin Day Kill is now a Car Bomb! This was a balance/tweak to help balance out the game.

You enter the command via PM to the GMs, Jamie and myself, and the command is '##PLANT <target>'. The target will die at the end of the next night phase, unless they are jailed.

Also, the car bomb will not effect the Blind Assassin. Blind people do not drive, I hope...

It wasn't specific in this post, but the order had to be placed during the day, with the death occurring at the end of the night.

@Balki
Dipole - Flav and literally anyone else.

Will post others tonight.

[Foxcastle]

I GENUINELY think this is another case of town being really loud and talkative and mafia just lurking their way to victory

Should we just lynch Moscow?

Yes, yesterday.

But also, he just finished a game where he lurked his way to scum victory. Nearly got modkilled for it. I'm just not sure he would do that twice in a row.

Maybe if we can catch a break and buy some time, the Blind Assassin could help us out with finding lurking scum. (Which could fit the Darg kill. He does have lurks-as-scum reputation. But that's speculative and I'm not sure it goes anywhere useful without more information.)

[EspressoPatronum]

@worcej while you're here, and sorry if i missed it somewhere, can you explain how the car bomb works? would the assassin have to pick the target on d1 or could they pick their target on n1?

The car bomb explanation is here:

GM Note:
I forgot to edit my intro post with this info... but the Assassin Day Kill is now a Car Bomb! This was a balance/tweak to help balance out the game.

You enter the command via PM to the GMs, Jamie and myself, and the command is '##PLANT <target>'. The target will die at the end of the next night phase, unless they are jailed.

Also, the car bomb will not effect the Blind Assassin. Blind people do not drive, I hope...

It wasn't specific in this post, but the order had to be placed during the day, with the death occurring at the end of the night.

@Balki
Dipole - Flav and literally anyone else.

Will post others tonight.

Update - as you can tell, I hadn't caught up yet.

Wow. I think the judge actually did the random chance thing someone suggested earlier.

[EspressoPatronum]

Et and EspressoPatronum seem like a terrible face-off. I haven't scumread either of them. Although, Espresso's flip would leave only Teacon7 as a real question on the D1 independent wagons (for me, since I townread ND and probably Xorxes).

That would make Flavius's flip even more valuable to know if he was saved and if scum would disproportionately be on Bozo.

When I flip VT, the only information you get on teacon is my genuine read of him. If I do end up getting lynched, don't take my read on him as anything more than my best guess. His play is/was consistent with his town play.

[dargorygel]

##bot note
(An eery ghastly voice echoes through the Chambers: theee Bot (may it live forever) issss working assss desssigned... When game gjobal stats from the opening paaage are accessssed then overall statssss are displayed.... From the lasssst upgrade of the BotBrain, I believe... To accesssss the statssss of THIS game, go firsssst to the present/current game page. Thankssssss.
(Might be a good point that the game global stat button needssss an added adjective like HISTORICAL...) The ministry of bottom will consider this.

[et]

Et and EspressoPatronum seem like a terrible face-off. I haven't scumread either of them. Although, Espresso's flip would leave only Teacon7 as a real question on the D1 independent wagons (for me, since I townread ND and probably Xorxes).

That would make Flavius's flip even more valuable to know if he was saved and if scum would disproportionately be on Bozo.

Do you want to know what I think Flavius as townie or not?

I voted boz at day1, because I thought boz is scum. Not for saving flav.
Near by EoD1, chipe suggested to concentrate votes to boz for save flav, I don't denied.

Now, I think flav is a little townie.
Because, he was doubted by too many players, at start of day1 if he were mafia.
And he was angry after boz's lynch. If he were scum, he would feel relieved.

And whom I townread is Chipe, Percy and teacon.

[EspressoPatronum]

Et and EspressoPatronum seem like a terrible face-off. I haven't scumread either of them. Although, Espresso's flip would leave only Teacon7 as a real question on the D1 independent wagons (for me, since I townread ND and probably Xorxes).

That would make Flavius's flip even more valuable to know if he was saved and if scum would disproportionately be on Bozo.

Do you want to know what I think Flavius as townie or not?

I voted boz at day1, because I thought boz is scum. Not for saving flav.
Near by EoD1, chipe suggested to concentrate votes to boz for save flav, I don't denied.

Now, I think flav is a little townie.
Because, he was doubted by too many players, at start of day1 if he were mafia.
And he was angry after boz's lynch. If he were scum, he would feel relieved.

And whom I townread is Chipe, Percy and teacon.

What are your thoughts on the Flav!assassin using the carbomb theory?

Why do you read Percy and teacon as town?

[EspressoPatronum]

Also, just putting it out there... I think @et should claim if he's a PR. If it goes through without CC, I'm the better lynch tonight. The town has to vote together on this one, and it'd save the possibility of another last-minute swing vote.

If he doesn't have a claim, then I'll do an iso of him tonight and post the results.

@et if you're a PR and see this before others comment on it, wait a bit so others can weigh in on whether they think claiming is a good idea.

[et]

Et and EspressoPatronum seem like a terrible face-off. I haven't scumread either of them. Although, Espresso's flip would leave only Teacon7 as a real question on the D1 independent wagons (for me, since I townread ND and probably Xorxes).

That would make Flavius's flip even more valuable to know if he was saved and if scum would disproportionately be on Bozo.

Do you want to know what I think Flavius as townie or not?

I voted boz at day1, because I thought boz is scum. Not for saving flav.
Near by EoD1, chipe suggested to concentrate votes to boz for save flav, I don't denied.

Now, I think flav is a little townie.
Because, he was doubted by too many players, at start of day1 if he were mafia.
And he was angry after boz's lynch. If he were scum, he would feel relieved.

And whom I townread is Chipe, Percy and teacon.

What are your thoughts on the Flav!assassin using the carbomb theory?

Why do you read Percy and teacon as town?

Do you ask me whether I think assassin used day kill?
I think yes.
And about Percy, because his thought about boz is similar to mine.
About teacon, I talked with him at realtime, and I felt very natural.

[et]

Also, just putting it out there... I think @et should claim if he's a PR. If it goes through without CC, I'm the better lynch tonight. The town has to vote together on this one, and it'd save the possibility of another last-minute swing vote.

If he doesn't have a claim, then I'll do an iso of him tonight and post the results.

@et if you're a PR and see this before others comment on it, wait a bit so others can weigh in on whether they think claiming is a good idea.

I think we(Espresso and me) should not claim PR or not for now. Don't you want to
see reaction of other players? If Espresso or me is PR, just another one is killed.
So, I think we had better to claim afterward(I think late on tonight).

[Durga]

LOL just when I thought our situation couldn't get worse we have the dumbest judge possible. Wow. I don't even know what to do with this

[Tom Bombadil]

I like it.

[Durga]

I like it.

Why? They've both been reasonable and have been sharing their thoughts Imo.

Neither of them is even angry about it. Although EP doesn't tend to get angry much I feel like he'd call out the play as dumb and claim some kind of role if he was scum. Oh well

##vote EspressoPatronum