Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Chippe, why are you assuming that the Assassin activated Darg kill during the day?

[FlaviusAetius]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

You know we could really rig it, and put someone who is the obvious town, and someone who we think is mafia, and just easy lynch.
Connor is clearly the obvious town, TrPrado or FoxCastle imo, and then we just make lurkers talk for the rest of today, so we can find stuff about them

[ChippeRock]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

I don't know, it's tough to risk it all on something random. Especially since there's probably some scum lurking (though I'm not convinced the most obvious lurker - MF - is scum; I have previously discussed his previous games here and it's completely out of character for him, scum or town).

It also promotes lynching big targets - of whom, I think, generally are town.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

You know we could really rig it, and put someone who is the obvious town, and someone who we think is mafia, and just easy lynch.
Connor is clearly the obvious town, TrPrado or FoxCastle imo, and then we just make lurkers talk for the rest of today, so we can find stuff about them

This comment is utterly bizarre.

How is Connor "obvious town"? And why would we want to put an obvious townie in the pool of two? I don't understand how this would be useful. Also, how would this strategy "make lurkers talk for the rest of the day"?

I'm super lost

[ChippeRock]

@Chippe, why are you assuming that the Assassin activated Darg kill during the day?

This is extremely irritating.

GM Note:
I forgot to edit my intro post with this info... but the Assassin Day Kill is now a Car Bomb! This was a balance/tweak to help balance out the game.

You enter the command via PM to the GMs, Jamie and myself, and the command is '##PLANT <target>'. The target will die at the end of the next night phase, unless they are jailed.

Also, the car bomb will not effect the Blind Assassin. Blind people do not drive, I hope...

It's literally called a day kill. But, even though I view it as common sense, I suppose there might be a smidge of vagueness to it (since that's not specifically mentioned), so ##CALL GM Can Assasin use the Mafia Day Kill during both day & night or just during the day?

[EspressoPatronum]

This does not strike me as townie.

It's literally what happened.

I'm getting real fuckin sick of your drive-by comments when you obviously haven't read a lick of EOD.
You are not acting in good faith.

These last two pages have convinced me Foxcastle, is now scum, not reading EoD is a big for me
How can you not read such a big moment of this game??

This is an attempt by Flav to distance himself from Fox.

I'm pretty sure they're both scum.

[rdrivera2005]

Oh and @Chippie I think an ND and Durga and rdrivera wagon is maybe a good idea because they refuse to get the blinders off their eyes from you. But let's stick to TrPrado, please? We can't lose focus. All this guy has been doing is making big posts then jumping off, makes no sense
Listen, a CHIPPIE WAGON was already a thing.
We staved that off and explained what he was doing, you three are pretending like that never happened

I don't have any idea what are you talking about. I never wanted to lynch Chippee or voted him, I have a town lean on him, I just think his way to play doesn't help town.
You on the other side is more and more on my scum list, specially with you buddiyng him this way.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

I don't know, it's tough to risk it all on something random. Especially since there's probably some scum lurking (though I'm not convinced the most obvious lurker - MF - is scum; I have previously discussed his previous games here and it's completely out of character for him, scum or town).

It also promotes lynching big targets - of whom, I think, generally are town.

How is the use of the judge power "risking it on something random"?

The big issue in lynching today is that we have six teammates who are likely going to try their best to avoid lynching one of their own. And our majority just isn't very large any more, and without any known good guys to lead, it's just really hard to keep clusters of town voters together and on the right targets.

While the choice of two possible lynch targets could misfire, it's not random, and at the very least we can ensure that the act of narrowing us down to two was done by Town.

I think that increases our odds significantly of lynching correctly this phase, I think it's really important that w get this lynch right, and I think the Judge power becomes less useful as the roster decreases in size. So I hope we use it now.

[EspressoPatronum]

Hold up... I am re-reading Flavius again, and came across this:

You lied. That is a confirmable fact. It may have been a mistaken lie with no ill intent, but it was a lie nonetheless. You are being very defensive this game though

First game Im being accused of being scum :shrugs:

But you were lynched in Lylo last game. How in the world were you lynched without being being accused of scum?

Flav lied, was accused of lying, then tells another lie. Or was this just another "mistake"?

Another factor to add to the Flav list.
- Caught lying
- Saved by an influx of last minute votes
- The most likely candidate for the assassin doing a panic day kill

[ChippeRock]

@carl... I read you as town... But you jump to a lot of conclusions. Is keeping a vote really ai for you? Teacon wrote he was busy during the day... As did I... Or perhaps folk didn't like the other options. Moving to bozo didn't turn out that well did it?

Don't worry I won't be moving this one

##VOTE dargorygel

Carl, Carl, Carl...
First, your vote in the night phase is a town-tell, imo... unless you ARE scum and the scum team said, "hey, act like you don't know what is happening." But I don't think so.
But here are two responses to your vote on me:
a) You are voting me because you don't think I am 'engaged' enough. I'm actually more engaged here than I have usually been. Ever since I had my moment of fame with TomBomb, I've been more vocal. This IS my town meta. Ask folk who have played with me.
b) You are voting for me because I pushed back. You ARE one of the most town-read folk in this room. Don't read push-back as AI. It's the interaction you sought.

And finally... before I give up and finish my bourbon and go to bed...
@Nephthys... I have read your gut reads in the Godthread in other games. And I have said to myself that I should sheep you. You don't TELL us your gutreads very concisely... I hope you do so before the EoN...

After re-reading all of darg's posts, here are the two quotes that I could find that could remotely be called crumbing. I don't think it is crumbing, but I've bolded potential crumbing.

Please note these are both night posts. So as far as I can see, there was no daytime crumbing - but maybe I missed something (I wasn't looking for any codes).

[Balki Bartokomous]

It's literally called a day kill. But, even though I view it as common sense, I suppose there might be a smidge of vagueness to it (since that's not specifically mentioned), so ##CALL GM Can Assasin use the Mafia Day Kill during both day & night or just during the day?

The "Day Kill" was replaced with a "Car Bomb." The rules do not say when the Car Bomb must be activated.

[EspressoPatronum]

##GM Call
peterbot doesnt let me look at any Night 1 posts
##Call GM
^not sure how to do it hopefully one of those work

Just check your maf QT

[ND]

It's pretty fruitless to run in circular loops with Chippie. I've already proven him to be a fraud.

I've also commented on Flav's bizarre association with Chippie. There is something going on there.

@Balki: I noticed the Conner thing too. That caught my eyebrow. I don't get it.

But then again I don't really get Flav and I think he is dense like a rock so there's that.

Also where is @Teacon

[ChippeRock]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

I don't know, it's tough to risk it all on something random. Especially since there's probably some scum lurking (though I'm not convinced the most obvious lurker - MF - is scum; I have previously discussed his previous games here and it's completely out of character for him, scum or town).

It also promotes lynching big targets - of whom, I think, generally are town.

How is the use of the judge power "risking it on something random"?

The big issue in lynching today is that we have six teammates who are likely going to try their best to avoid lynching one of their own. And our majority just isn't very large any more, and without any known good guys to lead, it's just really hard to keep clusters of town voters together and on the right targets.

While the choice of two possible lynch targets could misfire, it's not random, and at the very least we can ensure that the act of narrowing us down to two was done by Town.

I think that increases our odds significantly of lynching correctly this phase, I think it's really important that w get this lynch right, and I think the Judge power becomes less useful as the roster decreases in size. So I hope we use it now.

I think, if the obvious town are ruled out, and the Judge used a random generator to choose his 2 lynch candidates, there would be about a 50% chance scum is one of those two and a 25% chance both are scum. Than again, there's a 25% chance they're both town.

I urge the Judge, if he decides to use his power, to use it on two players nobody has any strong reads on - that way, divisiveness is encouraged, and this divisiveness can be analyzed.

[EspressoPatronum]

Ok. I don't understand anything. Maybe I'm being an idiot.

It says right in the into post that the assassin has a day kill and it happens immediately. How are we even considering there were two mafia kills?

They said in the confirmation thread that there would be a car bomb kill instead of an insta-day-vig kill, but I don't think they've said whether the car bomb had to be activated during the day, or could have been activated during the night.

I also don't think it's clear who was the target of the car bomb. I agree that someone could infer that it was "Mike," i.e. Darg, but it's not clear what is flavor and what is not flavor. Assassin could have targeted one of those innocent bystanders too, maybe? I don't know. Just need to understand what is fun flavor, and what are GMs actually telling us.

Agreed - getting clarity on this is important.

If they can use it during the night, then I take back most of what I said about scum!Flav. If it has to be activated in the day, my scumread of Flav stands.

[ND]

Hold up... I am re-reading Flavius again, and came across this:

First game Im being accused of being scum :shrugs:

But you were lynched in Lylo last game. How in the world were you lynched without being being accused of scum?

Flav lied, was accused of lying, then tells another lie. Or was this just another "mistake"?

Another factor to add to the Flav list.
- Caught lying
- Saved by an influx of last minute votes
- The most likely candidate for the assassin doing a panic day kill

@Espresso: I think one of Chippie or Flav have to be scum. I've explained why I think it's Chippie, but Flav does seem to really buddy up to him and that is usually a scumtell. It doesn't make sense for scum to buddy scum. What do you think?

[EspressoPatronum]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

This and #2177 look very town to me.

[Nephthys]

And finally... before I give up and finish my bourbon and go to bed...
@Nephthys... I have read your gut reads in the Godthread in other games. And I have said to myself that I should sheep you. You don't TELL us your gutreads very concisely... I hope you do so before the EoN...

Only saw this when Chippe bought it up, although you are dead I will post them in your honour by EOD. I will catch myself up and note them.

I will however continue what I have been doing and provide no evidence. Just my reads.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I will however continue what I have been doing and provide no evidence. Just my reads.

Why? I'd like to see the reasons for your reads.

[ChippeRock]

It's pretty fruitless to run in circular loops with Chippie. I've already proven him to be a fraud.

I've also commented on Flav's bizarre association with Chippie. There is something going on there.

@Balki: I noticed the Conner thing too. That caught my eyebrow. I don't get it.

But then again I don't really get Flav and I think he is dense like a rock so there's that.

Also where is @Teacon

You've "proven" huh? If your logic is so rock solid, why has no one else joined your wagon? Your wagon is so laughable that half of it is an emotion vote from Durga.

Stop stalking me, there are other fish in the sea. So rather than continuing to court (stalk) me, why don't you go look for other fish?

Since you didn't get my last analogy, let me translate that for you: Stop obsessing over me, don't be like bozo - with his 1 read. Find some other scum.