Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Squigs44]

Ok. I don't understand anything. Maybe I'm being an idiot.

It says right in the into post that the assassin has a day kill and it happens immediately. How are we even considering there were two mafia kills?

Read this:

GM Note:
I forgot to edit my intro post with this info... but the Assassin Day Kill is now a Car Bomb! This was a balance/tweak to help balance out the game.

You enter the command via PM to the GMs, Jamie and myself, and the command is '##PLANT <target>'. The target will die at the end of the next night phase, unless they are jailed.

Also, the car bomb will not effect the Blind Assassin. Blind people do not drive, I hope...

[Tom Bombadil]

Also Chippe - I know that Crusader is dead. It is highly beneficial to re-read people once they flip since you can re-look at interactions with information about alignment.

[Tom Bombadil]

Ok. I don't understand anything. Maybe I'm being an idiot.

It says right in the into post that the assassin has a day kill and it happens immediately. How are we even considering there were two mafia kills?

Read this:

GM Note:
I forgot to edit my intro post with this info... but the Assassin Day Kill is now a Car Bomb! This was a balance/tweak to help balance out the game.

You enter the command via PM to the GMs, Jamie and myself, and the command is '##PLANT <target>'. The target will die at the end of the next night phase, unless they are jailed.

Also, the car bomb will not effect the Blind Assassin. Blind people do not drive, I hope...

oh. Well, forget everything I hypothesized then, even though I thought it was pretty insightful. I wonder if darg crumbed and got caught?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Ok. I don't understand anything. Maybe I'm being an idiot.

It says right in the into post that the assassin has a day kill and it happens immediately. How are we even considering there were two mafia kills?

They said in the confirmation thread that there would be a car bomb kill instead of an insta-day-vig kill, but I don't think they've said whether the car bomb had to be activated during the day, or could have been activated during the night.

I also don't think it's clear who was the target of the car bomb. I agree that someone could infer that it was "Mike," i.e. Darg, but it's not clear what is flavor and what is not flavor. Assassin could have targeted one of those innocent bystanders too, maybe? I don't know. Just need to understand what is fun flavor, and what are GMs actually telling us.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, now I see the GM note. So, I'm not sure if we can infer that Darg was the target of the car bomb. ##Call GM -- can we infer from the flavor that Darg was the target of the car bomb?

[ChippeRock]

Ok. I don't understand anything. Maybe I'm being an idiot.

It says right in the into post that the assassin has a day kill and it happens immediately. How are we even considering there were two mafia kills?

They said in the confirmation thread that there would be a car bomb kill instead of an insta-day-vig kill, but I don't think they've said whether the car bomb had to be activated during the day, or could have been activated during the night.

I also don't think it's clear who was the target of the car bomb. I agree that someone could infer that it was "Mike," i.e. Darg, but it's not clear what is flavor and what is not flavor. Assassin could have targeted one of those innocent bystanders too, maybe? I don't know. Just need to understand what is fun flavor, and what are GMs actually telling us.

*sigh*. It was clearly stated that Carl had been murdered, darg was the one driving the car, and the innocent bystander who got killed was Cruaader - this was confirmed to be just a modkill.

The target was darg.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Call GM: Can Assassin use a car bomb and a NK in the same night phase?

[Tom Bombadil]

Agreed. I see the post now - its the second in this thread - I didn't read any of the confirmation thread.


My immediate guess is that darg got caught crumbing because otherwise that is a really strange NK. Maybe he was on to something though. Carl I think we can learn little from as I suspect he was killed just for being widely townread and a seemingly strong player


I do agree with you that Serial Killer needs to start scumhunting because these odds aren't great.

[ChippeRock]

Okay, now I see the GM note. So, I'm not sure if we can infer that Darg was the target of the car bomb. ##Call GM -- can we infer from the flavor that Darg was the target of the car bomb?

Gahh!! Re-read the whole thing please, I already asked Jamiet if it was just flavor! Cruaader - the only other person who died as a result of the bomb was confirmed to be a modkill. And Carl had already been murdered before the bomb went off!

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, now I see the GM note. So, I'm not sure if we can infer that Darg was the target of the car bomb. ##Call GM -- can we infer from the flavor that Darg was the target of the car bomb?

Gahh!! Re-read the whole thing please, I already asked Jamiet if it was just flavor! Cruaader - the only other person who died as a result of the bomb was confirmed to be a modkill. And Carl had already been murdered before the bomb went off!

You're right. I see it. I did not put together that Carl was Ema, who was referenced earlier. Yes. Darg is target of Assassin. Carl was murdered, either by Mafia or Blind Assassin.

[FlaviusAetius]

Also Chippe - I know that Crusader is dead. It is highly beneficial to re-read people once they flip since you can re-look at interactions with information about alignment.

Im going to do the same then

[FlaviusAetius]

Ok. I don't understand anything. Maybe I'm being an idiot.

It says right in the into post that the assassin has a day kill and it happens immediately. How are we even considering there were two mafia kills?

They said in the confirmation thread that there would be a car bomb kill instead of an insta-day-vig kill, but I don't think they've said whether the car bomb had to be activated during the day, or could have been activated during the night.

I also don't think it's clear who was the target of the car bomb. I agree that someone could infer that it was "Mike," i.e. Darg, but it's not clear what is flavor and what is not flavor. Assassin could have targeted one of those innocent bystanders too, maybe? I don't know. Just need to understand what is fun flavor, and what are GMs actually telling us.

*sigh*. It was clearly stated that Carl had been murdered, darg was the one driving the car, and the innocent bystander who got killed was Cruaader - this was confirmed to be just a modkill.

The target was darg.

Ok so what your saying is;
Blind Assasin killed Carl
and Darg was killed by mafia??

[Tom Bombadil]

Also Chippe - I know that Crusader is dead. It is highly beneficial to re-read people once they flip since you can re-look at interactions with information about alignment.

Im going to do the same then

Its good practice. Many scum are caught on late days from D1 interactions.

[FlaviusAetius]

Im sorry Im really confused, I thought the flavour doesnt mean anything, and just look at who died, did it tell us who was killed by who?
Cause that would help a lot right now

[FlaviusAetius]

and I just look at who died, and ignore flavour*

[ChippeRock]

Oh, and yeah...
NOT just because she sent me a heart... but what exactly is scummy about Durga? I don't see it.
Durga is involved, and arguing without excessive anger/defensive. This feels like townie Durga to me.
Her explanation about D1 tracks with reality...
So convince me.

Took a look at darg's posts again. If he makes statements like this, why would he jail you Durga?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I really think we want Judge to act today. Really need to get this lynch right, but there are 7/19 non-townies with no clears to follow as guiding lights. I think we have better odds if we have a known townie acting to cut pool down to 2. Interested in thoughts from others on this too.

Also, if people want to make suggestions on who would be useful dipoles (groups of two to choose between), I'd like to see those suggestions too.

[ChippeRock]

They said in the confirmation thread that there would be a car bomb kill instead of an insta-day-vig kill, but I don't think they've said whether the car bomb had to be activated during the day, or could have been activated during the night.

I also don't think it's clear who was the target of the car bomb. I agree that someone could infer that it was "Mike," i.e. Darg, but it's not clear what is flavor and what is not flavor. Assassin could have targeted one of those innocent bystanders too, maybe? I don't know. Just need to understand what is fun flavor, and what are GMs actually telling us.

*sigh*. It was clearly stated that Carl had been murdered, darg was the one driving the car, and the innocent bystander who got killed was Cruaader - this was confirmed to be just a modkill.

The target was darg.

Ok so what your saying is;
Blind Assasin killed Carl
and Darg was killed by mafia??

Here are the three possible scenarios (if I've got these wrong, somebody correct me):

1) darg was killed by Mafia day kill, SK killed Carl, Mafia tried killing SK
2) darg was killed by Mafia day kill, SK killed Carl, Mafia tried killing whoever darg jailed
3) darg was killed by Mafia day kill, SK tracked somebody, Mafia killed Carl

The 3rd option is the most likely in my opinion, but there's a decent chance either of these 3 scenarios occurred. Progress!!

[FlaviusAetius]

Then agree to my deal, lets lynch me tomorrow and see if I'm townie or not. If I am we know you're at least suspicious and at most a confirmed mafia.

Why would we want to lynch you?

Well ND seems to be 100% convinced I am scum, so if I'm lynched and it just so happens to be that I'm actually a townie, then it'd prove that ND is either suspicious or just a straight up mafia member

This is the only comment that Crusader made that actually said anything, he was lurking pretty much the entire day otherwise, I'd take it with a grain of salt imo

[Balki Bartokomous]

Oh, and yeah...
NOT just because she sent me a heart... but what exactly is scummy about Durga? I don't see it.
Durga is involved, and arguing without excessive anger/defensive. This feels like townie Durga to me.
Her explanation about D1 tracks with reality...
So convince me.

Took a look at darg's posts again. If he makes statements like this, why would he jail you Durga?

Seems like that is the reason he jailed Durga. He read her as Town and he wanted to protect her from the Night Kill.