Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[ND]

@ND - do you agree with Bozo's argument that mechanically Chippe cannot be a VT?

Not necessarily, I agree with Bozo that Chippie is scum though. I don't think that agreement has to be paired to his argument.

You just said:

I implore everyone to look at this guy and re-read Bozo.

So I was wondering why you want us to re-read Bozo when basically the only thing he did was push that argument against Chippe. Was there something specific we are supposed to look for when re-reading Bozo?

I think understanding Bozo's last words are important. I've quoted them several times. I don't know if his argument is accurate or not. Just like in M1007 I didn't know if Xorxes' argument about Damo was accurate or not (still don't). In larger games such as these it's easy to forget a player's last words when they get lynched. I don't think Bozo should be forgotten. He is very good at the game. I think people should make their own conclusions about it.

[ND]

Chippie needs to be lynched immediately; he is a deceitful little cuss who deliberately obscures the thread and has been proven to have lied about his logic. He is literally a horrid human being and honestly probably the biggest piece of scum in this game.

I have written at length about how he has lied and obscured facts
I have written at length about how he has been deceitful
I have proven numerous times and caught him in these lies; he only backpeddles when this happens
He is utter scum and a true example of filth.

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Also, this Flav-Chip thing is interesting. Flav imo looks like he is sucking up to Chip so hard rn. I don't get it. But has to be noted.

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It was a bad night and yeah my read was wrong. The difference between my push on Cruaader and Chip's push on Bozo was that Chip was an important player in getting one of the best players on this website, Bozo, killed for no reason.

He then says: "Except all of the reads I've made have been flipped and shown to be correct." (Chippie, 103)

Wow. I guess he knew Bozo was going to flip town then, but voted him anyway. No one is going to freaking question this quote? Jesus Christ.

Look, if we don't get our act together and aggressively go after this guy then we are lost. I implore everyone to look at this guy and re-read Bozo.

Yes, and you seem to have ignored the repeated times I explained why I voted bozo even though I felt he was more likely to be town than scum. But carry on, that contradicts your scum read.

Right I keep forgetting you just vote for wagons with 'more votes'. /Smacks head so town indicative /sarcasm

[TrPrado]

Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

[ND]

Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

Because I respect him as a player and I don't think his read should be lost. If you disagree that's your choice. I don't feel that way.

[Foxcastle]

Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

Because they were townie and we can trust them. You don't agree?

[ChippeRock]

Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

Because I respect him as a player and I don't think his read should be lost. If you disagree that's your choice. I don't feel that way.

His last words have as much importance as all of his other words.

[ChippeRock]

Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

Because they were townie and we can trust them. You don't agree?

Completely disagree. There's nothing special about his last words. They should be read like all of his other words.

[ChippeRock]

Not necessarily, I agree with Bozo that Chippie is scum though. I don't think that agreement has to be paired to his argument.

You just said:

I implore everyone to look at this guy and re-read Bozo.

So I was wondering why you want us to re-read Bozo when basically the only thing he did was push that argument against Chippe. Was there something specific we are supposed to look for when re-reading Bozo?

I think understanding Bozo's last words are important. I've quoted them several times. I don't know if his argument is accurate or not. Just like in M1007 I didn't know if Xorxes' argument about Damo was accurate or not (still don't). In larger games such as these it's easy to forget a player's last words when they get lynched. I don't think Bozo should be forgotten. He is very good at the game. I think people should make their own conclusions about it.

Why are you using a dead VT's last words to back your argument? They have as much importance as all of his other words.

[ND]

Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

Because they were townie and we can trust them. You don't agree?

Completely disagree. There's nothing special about his last words. They should be read like all of his other words.

Of course you don't agree. You permanently silenced a player who's good at the game and was on to you and recognized you as the scum filth that you are.

[Squigs44]

Just Iso'd and reread Fox and I actually don't find him all that scummy. Yes, he seemed rather indifferent during EoD, but he made it clear well before EoD that Flav was his number one option but that lynching a lurker was also a fine lynch for him, and gave his reasoning behind it. The only red flag I see with Fox is that he is playing cautiously, so possible SK there, but overall I would put him at slight town.

[ChippeRock]

Chippie needs to be lynched immediately; he is a deceitful little cuss who deliberately obscures the thread and has been proven to have lied about his logic. He is literally a horrid human being and honestly probably the biggest piece of scum in this game.

I have written at length about how he has lied and obscured facts
I have written at length about how he has been deceitful
I have proven numerous times and caught him in these lies; he only backpeddles when this happens
He is utter scum and a true example of filth.

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Also, this Flav-Chip thing is interesting. Flav imo looks like he is sucking up to Chip so hard rn. I don't get it. But has to be noted.

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It was a bad night and yeah my read was wrong. The difference between my push on Cruaader and Chip's push on Bozo was that Chip was an important player in getting one of the best players on this website, Bozo, killed for no reason.

He then says: "Except all of the reads I've made have been flipped and shown to be correct." (Chippie, 103)

Wow. I guess he knew Bozo was going to flip town then, but voted him anyway. No one is going to freaking question this quote? Jesus Christ.

Look, if we don't get our act together and aggressively go after this guy then we are lost. I implore everyone to look at this guy and re-read Bozo.

Yes, and you seem to have ignored the repeated times I explained why I voted bozo even though I felt he was more likely to be town than scum. But carry on, that contradicts your scum read.

Right I keep forgetting you just vote for wagons with 'more votes'. /Smacks head so town indicative /sarcasm

ND, let's say Player 1 is revealed by the GM to be the Innocent Child, and let's say Player 2 is, in your opinion, very towny.

It's the end of the day, there are solely two wagons - and it's too late to start a new one. Do you vote for Player 1 - who you are more confident is town - or do you vote for Player 2 - who, while you feel is probably town, you are less confident about him being town?

I hope this oversimplified analogy helps you understand the situation I was in.

[ChippeRock]

Because they were townie and we can trust them. You don't agree?

Completely disagree. There's nothing special about his last words. They should be read like all of his other words.

Of course you don't agree. You permanently silenced a player who's good at the game and was on to you and recognized you as the scum filth that you are.

ND, why have you not mentioned Cruaader - you were so *confident* he was noob scum. But yet, that read turned out to be horribly wrong. Why are you going after me because I scumread you for scumreading Cruaader based on the information you had at the time?

Have you ever considered that if your read on Cruaader was so dead wrong, than your other reads might be too? Why are you so focused on me?

Wouldn't town, make their case on why I'm scum, and than go on to read some other players? Why aren't you doing that?

[Squigs44]

Just read Bozo's last 20 posts or so per ND's request. Honestly, his push on Chippe does not convince me because he bases his whole argument on mechanics which I have already explained I think is flawed.

He does have interesting interactions with Connor and et, two players who I have let slip. Connor in particular seems to be straining at trying to push Bozo in the last hour.

[ChippeRock]

You've made your case ND. I am scum.

Now, why don't you go on to read some other players other than myself? I'm sure everyone wants to hear your current reads.

What are your thoughts on the Night kills?

[ND]

Yes, and you seem to have ignored the repeated times I explained why I voted bozo even though I felt he was more likely to be town than scum. But carry on, that contradicts your scum read.

Right I keep forgetting you just vote for wagons with 'more votes'. /Smacks head so town indicative /sarcasm

ND, let's say Player 1 is revealed by the GM to be the Innocent Child, and let's say Player 2 is, in your opinion, very towny.

It's the end of the day, there are solely two wagons - and it's too late to start a new one. Do you vote for Player 1 - who you are more confident is town - or do you vote for Player 2 - who, while you feel is probably town, you are less confident about him being town?

I hope this oversimplified analogy helps you understand the situation I was in.

But, that wasn't the situation? The GM didn't reveal anyone to be the innocent child. I mean.. that's huge a GM role reveal like that would necessitate a new wagon or a tied day, or the secondary wagon. No one would vote to kill someone the GM just revealed to be town. Wth? That wasn't the D1 situation at all.

Not at all dude. I don't think your scenario is comparable at all.

[ND]

Completely disagree. There's nothing special about his last words. They should be read like all of his other words.

Of course you don't agree. You permanently silenced a player who's good at the game and was on to you and recognized you as the scum filth that you are.

ND, why have you not mentioned Cruaader - you were so *confident* he was noob scum. But yet, that read turned out to be horribly wrong. Why are you going after me because I scumread you for scumreading Cruaader based on the information you had at the time?

Have you ever considered that if your read on Cruaader was so dead wrong, than your other reads might be too? Why are you so focused on me?

Wouldn't town, make their case on why I'm scum, and than go on to read some other players? Why aren't you doing that?

I mean this isn't true. I did say my read was wrong a page or so ago. Dude, you misrepresent so much. It's such a pattern I don't think it's just a mental slip due to your missing brain cells. I thought so at first, but really?

I've found so much deceitful play and faulty logic that you have deployed especially with Teacon situation.

And, yeah I am going to be re-read certain players tonight. I've made my case. I've said what I wanted to say.

[ChippeRock]

Right I keep forgetting you just vote for wagons with 'more votes'. /Smacks head so town indicative /sarcasm

ND, let's say Player 1 is revealed by the GM to be the Innocent Child, and let's say Player 2 is, in your opinion, very towny.

It's the end of the day, there are solely two wagons - and it's too late to start a new one. Do you vote for Player 1 - who you are more confident is town - or do you vote for Player 2 - who, while you feel is probably town, you are less confident about him being town?

I hope this oversimplified analogy helps you understand the situation I was in.

But, that wasn't the situation? The GM didn't reveal anyone to be the innocent child. I mean.. that's huge a GM role reveal like that would necessitate a new wagon or a tied day, or the secondary wagon. No one would vote to kill someone the GM just revealed to be town. Wth? That wasn't the D1 situation at all.

Not at all dude. I don't think your scenario is comparable at all.

No it wasn't, that's why I called it *oversimplified*. You're nitpicking at everything wrong with it, and failing to see the general idea I'm trying to get across to you.

If forced by time to join one of two wagons - the scummier town or the less scummy town - who's do you join? Additionally, I only switched because the TrPrado was going nowhere with 3 minutes left in the day - I was forced by the time left in the day to choose one of the two wagons.

[ChippeRock]

Of course you don't agree. You permanently silenced a player who's good at the game and was on to you and recognized you as the scum filth that you are.

ND, why have you not mentioned Cruaader - you were so *confident* he was noob scum. But yet, that read turned out to be horribly wrong. Why are you going after me because I scumread you for scumreading Cruaader based on the information you had at the time?

Have you ever considered that if your read on Cruaader was so dead wrong, than your other reads might be too? Why are you so focused on me?

Wouldn't town, make their case on why I'm scum, and than go on to read some other players? Why aren't you doing that?

I mean this isn't true. I did say my read was wrong a page or so ago. Dude, you misrepresent so much. It's such a pattern I don't think it's just a mental slip due to your missing brain cells. I thought so at first, but really?

I've found so much deceitful play and faulty logic that you have deployed especially with Teacon situation.

And, yeah I am going to be re-read certain players tonight. I've made my case. I've said what I wanted to say.

Pretty sure I explained why teacon had the big tell that Cruaader revealed after you made your read that he was able to use to make his read - with all of the information present, it's not so scummy & dumb to think that Cruaader should be lynched.

But you refused to dissect my argument point by point and refute it and you just wave it off as "faulty logic".

[Foxcastle]

Or they thought Carl would've led the way on ##VOTE FOXCASTLE

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Or they thought Carl would've led the way on ##VOTE FOXCASTLE

Didn't Carl start badmouthing Fox near the end of the night? Most likely too late for the Mafia NK to be changed?

He spent the whole night throwing suspicion on Fox.

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http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... 0Tuckerson

CTRL+F for "Fox" and he talks a decent amount about how he was going to push Fox and dargo this phase

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Why is it important to understand the last words of a D1 mislynch?

These are not exactly the same things, but this looks like TrPrado opportunistically using the reads of a dead townie to push a lynch on me, and then turning around and harshing on ND for the same thing.

##VOTE TRPRADO while I go take a real look.

[Squigs44]

Iso's Connor and I think he is probably town, although the way that he pushed Bozo, jumped to TrPrado, then back to Bozo looks REAL sus if Flav is mafia. The more analysis I do, the more actions I see that can be explained through Flav being mafia, so I think I might do a Flav re-read next.

Overall, connor gives reasonable reasons and doesn't seemed forced in anyway except perhaps the last hour of the day.