Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[TrPrado]

Asks about mechanics I didn’t remember reading in the setup.
“Unnatural”

[xorxes]

I disagree, I don't think his vote means anything until he has read the whole thread and posted all of his thoughts & opinions.

I think this is key. I don't think Chippe assumes Crusaader is town because he's scum and knows, I think Chippe assumes Crusaader is town because that allows Chippe to lecture Crusaader on the value of his vote (or lack thereof).

Insightful. Towny.

[Tom Bombadil]

I think a re-read of Crusader will be helpful. Im going to block some time out for that.

[EspressoPatronum]

I’ve already explained why I though Carl was very likely the mafia kill. Plz read the thread...

What are your thoughts on the:
1. Last-minute assassin swap and janitor fail, and/or
2. janitor RBd

If you were to put yourself in the assassin's shoes, at what point in the night would you have decided Carl had to go? Would that have been enough time for the janitor to react?

I don’t think I can even really answer this - it’s too speculative. I would think that Carl was always on the list of potential targets only because he was widely townread and active. But I dunno when it was decided. We don’t even know that he was the kill - I’m just making that assumption

Also worth mentioning I missed the fact that janitor is once per game. It's worth keeping in mind when/why the janitor will use the power, but it's not as helpful today as I initially thought it was.

[Jamiet99uk]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

GM NOTE: A car definitely exploded at EoN. That's pretty clear.

The actual players who died are clearly listed.

[ChippeRock]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

Hold on a second, was this Mafia using it's day kill? I really think so, it's just far too coincidental! That would mean that either SK killed Carl and Mafia tried killing the SK or that SK scouted and Mafia killed Carl.

Obviously the latter is the most likely scenario...

GM Note:
I forgot to edit my intro post with this info... but the Assassin Day Kill is now a Car Bomb! This was a balance/tweak to help balance out the game.

You enter the command via PM to the GMs, Jamie and myself, and the command is '##PLANT <target>'. The target will die at the end of the next night phase, unless they are jailed.

Also, the car bomb will not effect the Blind Assassin. Blind people do not drive, I hope...

[TrPrado]

Chippe:

GM’s aren’t allowed to give hints in flavor text IIRC

[ChippeRock]

I think a re-read of Crusader will be helpful. Im going to block some time out for that.

A re-read?? Please tell me this is a joke!

[ChippeRock]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

GM NOTE: A car definitely exploded at EoN. That's pretty clear.

The actual players who died are clearly listed.

Okay!! Cruaader was clearly the random spectator (modkilled), Carl was killed by either SK or Mafia and Mike was killed by Mafia's day kill!!

[xorxes]

Foxcastle also is caught in a contradiction. He spends a fair amount of time in the 30s asking about other players: “Despite GM'ing Flavius in the last game, I didn't really read anything he posted*” (pp. 29) and “? (I know, it's ironic that I didn't read the game I ran... But I can see it being the cause of him getting so scumread that town lost...)” (pp. 31)

YET he also says, “Why aren’t ND and Durga going at it like battle cats yet?” (pp. 29)
I put this quote last, but this is first sequentially. It’s interesting to me because he leads with this then makes follow up posts stating he didn’t read portions or in the case of quote 31 the game he ran. However, he implies he has knowledge of me and Durga’s arguments by stating the word *yet*. Is this quote about Durga and myself from 29 based on meta or from M1007? If M1007 it’s a fucking huge contradiction and I would argue that it is. Durga-and myself had a game spanning spat that game overshadowed by Teacon v Xorxes. I find it hard to believe he isn’t referencing this and if so why say he didn’t read the game? Well, in the posts he said he didn’t read the game he was asking others for info about players and by mentioning that argument Durga and I had he also says I am a good player which prompts Durga to reply “please”. It drew a reaction from her which could have easily baited one from me too. Maybe I am overthinking these posts but it looks to me as if there is some game playing and contradictions going on here. Fox needs to respond.

Thanks for taking this on for me, Tom.

But to answer for myself: you and Durga fight all the damn time. ALL THE DAMN TIME. You're as bad as Jamiet and Brainbomb. (Not actually, but almost.) So no, it's not based solely on M1007.

And to clarify myself on M1007: I did not ignore my game. When I say I didn't read it, I mean I didn't read it closely the way I would a game I was participating in. Obviously, I had to read it to catch GM calls and be aware of what was generally going on, but I wasn't analyzing. But even skimming, it's easy to catch you and Durga fighting or Xorxes-v-Teacon. Also, the mafia QT provided a lot of perspective that you didn't have in game, for example, on why Flavius was good for mafia to keep around.

And yeah, I'm surprised you gave Durga a pass on calling you out as bad player. Something to note.

You don't seem as insightful about the ND/Durga dymamic as you were about Chippe, but there might still be something there that needs to be explored.

[Foxcastle]

I leaned many new tactics over on MU for solving. I wanted to try some of them in this game. There is a guy over there who makes reads on the first post of every player in every game and is better than random accurate

Oh, I would love to compare notes after. I'm also trying some new analytic techniques.

Any results so far from these techniques? Without revealing any details that might ruin the method, can you give us some idea about what type of info you base them on?

I mean, if this game could be solved analytically, it'd be a feature on the Peterbot already. I'm testing this idea, so no idea if it will actually pan out, and of course Day 1 is hardly enough to go on. But it's more about relationships between scum than individual scum behavior.

The early results are what we already know: we are ignoring lurkers at our peril.

But if you want the first results, the method predicts multiple scum in: connor, et, Neph, Percy, Tom, Teacon.

[FlaviusAetius]

I took a bunch of cold medicine this morning and now I think it’s Durga, Rdrivera, Trprado, and Flavius.

I think you took another kind of drugs.

Where are your explanations?? I hope I find them

[ChippeRock]

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

GM NOTE: A car definitely exploded at EoN. That's pretty clear.

The actual players who died are clearly listed.

Okay!! Cruaader was clearly the random spectator (modkilled), Carl was killed by either SK or Mafia and Mike (sorry, that's darg's alias) was killed by Mafia's day kill!!

There are only three possible scenarios on what happened this night:

1) darg was killed by Mafia day kill, SK killed Carl, Mafia tried killing SK
2) darg was killed by Mafia day kill, SK killed Carl, Mafia tried killing whoever darg jailed
3) darg was killed by Mafia day kill, SK tracked somebody, Mafia killed Carl

The 3rd option is the most likely in my opinion, but there's a decent chance either of these 3 scenarios occurred. Progress!!

[Tom Bombadil]

I think a re-read of Crusader will be helpful. Im going to block some time out for that.

A re-read?? Please tell me this is a joke!

What about this makes you think it is a joke?

[Squigs44]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

GM NOTE: A car definitely exploded at EoN. That's pretty clear.

The actual players who died are clearly listed.

This is what I get for not reading flavor. Usually flavor doesn't reveal types of kills like that. The fact that the car bomb is confirmed used makes me think that someone on the chopping block was mafia.

[FlaviusAetius]

I've explained repeatedly why we saved Flav - several have given similar explanations. Did you read my response to Balki's questions?

It’s basically that you very strongly believe Flavius to be town and somewhat weakly thought Bozo was scum. Right?

Aye... but there's the rub. "Very strongly believe Flavius to be town..." It is day 1. The Flav-defenders fought WAY too hard for this. Gut feelings are great, but only scum KNOW anything Day 1.

Ok but why would scum just blatantly defend someone like, and put their NECKS out there? It was town BELIEVING in something, thats the difference that you are ignoring

[EspressoPatronum]

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

GM NOTE: A car definitely exploded at EoN. That's pretty clear.

The actual players who died are clearly listed.

This is what I get for not reading flavor. Usually flavor doesn't reveal types of kills like that. The fact that the car bomb is confirmed used makes me think that someone on the chopping block was mafia.

Great catch. Maybe Flavius used it bcz he thought he was going to die!

[EspressoPatronum]

GM NOTE: A car definitely exploded at EoN. That's pretty clear.

The actual players who died are clearly listed.

This is what I get for not reading flavor. Usually flavor doesn't reveal types of kills like that. The fact that the car bomb is confirmed used makes me think that someone on the chopping block was mafia.

Great catch. Maybe Flavius used it bcz he thought he was going to die!

To expand... why else would the assassin use their day kill so early? It has huge end-game potential, so using it early is a throwaway.

[EspressoPatronum]

##VOTE Flavius

The car bomb AND the EoD vote swing are too coincidental for it to not be him.

[ChippeRock]

I think a re-read of Crusader will be helpful. Im going to block some time out for that.

A re-read?? Please tell me this is a joke!

What about this makes you think it is a joke?

The fact that Cruaader was banned (independently) from this website (for being a meta), no replacement could be found for him, and he was modkilled at the EoN. The flavor post clearly states that he was killed.