Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[ChippeRock]

Not a good night, I'll post more thoughts on it later.

##VOTE CHIPPIE

I think Chippie needs to be closely examined today. I'll work on some thoughts on him and iron this case out later tonight when I have time. But, really not a good night.

A small part of me thought Chippe was roleplaying incompetence with the whole VT thing as a breadcrumb for a bailiff claim. That's no longer an option bcz of dargo's identify, so I'm moving Chippe out from my 'policy kill' into 'possibly scum.'

I think we need to get to the bottom of the Foxcastle stuff first though

When you find an excuse to vote for me, make sure you're online at the EoD this time.

[Durga]

Okay enough, stop being so negative and attacking everyone who comments on the thread Chippe. I can't stand it.

##vote Chippe
##vote end

Whoo man, you must really think Neph is scum huh? You going to do the same thing as yesterday? Bluff with this vote, hold onto it until the last hour, and than vote for the leading wagon?

you are so insufferable that i am not going to play until you're dead

[EspressoPatronum]

I don't understand why the janitor wouldn't target the planned NK unless there was some disagreement on the target. Perhaps dargo or Carl posted something close to EoN that made the assassin change targets.

Also possible that the janitor was roleblocked.

@xorxes claimed roleblocked and @Durga claimed jailed.

[EspressoPatronum]

I’ve already explained why I though Carl was very likely the mafia kill. Plz read the thread...

What are your thoughts on the:
1. Last-minute assassin swap and janitor fail, and/or
2. janitor RBd

If you were to put yourself in the assassin's shoes, at what point in the night would you have decided Carl had to go? Would that have been enough time for the janitor to react?

[EspressoPatronum]

Not a good night, I'll post more thoughts on it later.

##VOTE CHIPPIE

I think Chippie needs to be closely examined today. I'll work on some thoughts on him and iron this case out later tonight when I have time. But, really not a good night.

A small part of me thought Chippe was roleplaying incompetence with the whole VT thing as a breadcrumb for a bailiff claim. That's no longer an option bcz of dargo's identify, so I'm moving Chippe out from my 'policy kill' into 'possibly scum.'

I think we need to get to the bottom of the Foxcastle stuff first though

When you find an excuse to vote for me, make sure you're online at the EoD this time.

I work 9-5 EST. EoD is 3pm for me. Sorry man - I'm never gonna be on at EoD.

Best I can do is a final check at 1pm EST during lunch.

[ChippeRock]

Okay enough, stop being so negative and attacking everyone who comments on the thread Chippe. I can't stand it.

##vote Chippe
##vote end

Whoo man, you must really think Neph is scum huh? You going to do the same thing as yesterday? Bluff with this vote, hold onto it until the last hour, and than vote for the leading wagon?

you are so insufferable that i am not going to play until you're dead

Except all of the reads I've made have been flipped and shown to be correct.

Yawn, experienced players just don't vote based on emotion 2 days in a row. It's either a bluff (like last time) or just outright scummy.

[xorxes]

@fox - You don't think there's something to any of the other discussions? There's not much to go on with lurkers.

I've commented on other discussions, so clearly I do. In fact, I was commenting on one of the other conversations (re: Chippe) in the hopes of beginning another conversation (re: you), and now you're trying to make it looks like I'm stuck on this lurker conversation.

So I don't like that.

Xorxes or ND or Durga (or whoever): is that similar to his play in the last game as town? (I know, it's ironic that I didn't read the game I ran... But I can see it being the cause of him getting so scumread that town lost...)

This question sounds more like throwing shade than actually interested in an answer, but I will answer anyway: I find teacon's tone this game very similar to the last one, only with much less volume, and I can understand why that is so I'm not reading anything into it.

The reason I scumread teacon so heavily last game was not so much about his tone though, it was some specific actions that set me off and then his way of arguing just helped cement my tunnel.

[Squigs44]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

[ChippeRock]

A small part of me thought Chippe was roleplaying incompetence with the whole VT thing as a breadcrumb for a bailiff claim. That's no longer an option bcz of dargo's identify, so I'm moving Chippe out from my 'policy kill' into 'possibly scum.'

I think we need to get to the bottom of the Foxcastle stuff first though

When you find an excuse to vote for me, make sure you're online at the EoD this time.

I work 9-5 EST. EoD is 3pm for me. Sorry man - I'm never gonna be on at EoD.

Best I can do is a final check at 1pm EST during lunch.

At least don't lurk to the degree as you did on Day 1... Give us a list of reads in the evening!

[Tom Bombadil]

I’ve already explained why I though Carl was very likely the mafia kill. Plz read the thread...

What are your thoughts on the:
1. Last-minute assassin swap and janitor fail, and/or
2. janitor RBd

If you were to put yourself in the assassin's shoes, at what point in the night would you have decided Carl had to go? Would that have been enough time for the janitor to react?

I don’t think I can even really answer this - it’s too speculative. I would think that Carl was always on the list of potential targets only because he was widely townread and active. But I dunno when it was decided. We don’t even know that he was the kill - I’m just making that assumption

[FlaviusAetius]

Dear scumteam,

Please kill ChippeRock. I think it will help both scum and town alike and overall raise the quality of the game. I can't stand reading another 100+ posts from him that are repetitive, illogical, and close-minded.

Cordially,
Squigs44

P.S. I would really enjoy a visit from a lovely hooker tonight, day one was exhausting

+10

This guy is making really painful to read the thread.

My god. This isnt trying to solve a game, its trying it ignore one
Chippie is doing just fine, lay off his case
Im on page 95 btw

[xorxes]

Why did you appreciate Balki answering Fox? What did you hope to learn from asking that question?

This is oddly inquisitive from you, since you should know that asking questions and getting answers has implicit value. I'd like to wait and see how things play out before answering, though. Feel free to ping me about this again later.

Ping! (In case this hasn't happened yet.)

[TrPrado]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

Car bomb? I know they’ve got a day kill but I didn’t think they had an extra NK?

[FlaviusAetius]

Okay enough, stop being so negative and attacking everyone who comments on the thread Chippe. I can't stand it.

##vote Chippe
##vote end

Whoo man, you must really think Neph is scum huh? You going to do the same thing as yesterday? Bluff with this vote, hold onto it until the last hour, and than vote for the leading wagon?

you are so insufferable that i am not going to play until you're dead

Stop being like this please you arent helping anything
Anyone who is just anti-Chippie is a problem
You guys just hate him because he's a little more direct than you
Or do you hate him because he's calling out your nonsense?

[Tom Bombadil]

Guys. Can we lynch Prado?

[xorxes]

This is oddly inquisitive from you, since you should know that asking questions and getting answers has implicit value. I'd like to wait and see how things play out before answering, though. Feel free to ping me about this again later.

Ok. I will ask you later.

Sure, asking questions is on the surface level is good for town in general. But asking questions where you don’t care about the answers is scummy, and that is the vibe I got from this

Okay, Flavius has given his answer, so I can answer this now.

I was giving Flavius the benefit of the doubt, because he could possibly have gone back to old games (he knows about the bot from playing M1007, or should, so finding them wouldn't have been hard) and gotten that assessment of Balki. (I checked briefly in the signup thread and it doesn't look like he could have gotten that characterization there.) If he had a plausibly town response, it mattered to me whether Balki was pressure voting or scum voting him because that might say something about Balki's alignment. (It still might.)

Balki's response somewhat moots the use, though. As does Flavius looking pretty scummy here.

Oops, disregard the ping.

[ChippeRock]

Here's a thought:
SK used his scan instead of his kill and mafia used their car bomb. Y'all are reading too much into night actions.

Hmm, good point.

##CALL GM Was that car explosion flavor? What about when it mentions Ema's been murdered? Was that also flavor?

We'll see what their response is to this, but this seems too coincidental to be flavor...

[Tom Bombadil]

Cuz that response was about as unnatural as humanely possible

[EspressoPatronum]

When you find an excuse to vote for me, make sure you're online at the EoD this time.

I work 9-5 EST. EoD is 3pm for me. Sorry man - I'm never gonna be on at EoD.

Best I can do is a final check at 1pm EST during lunch.

At least don't lurk to the degree as you did on Day 1... Give us a list of reads in the evening!

As stated earlier, my activity levels will be higher from now on. This week was really busy.

Good idea re: reads in the evening. Will do.

[FlaviusAetius]

Questions for the team:

✾ If Flavius were scum, would he have fake claimed a PR given what seemed like his impending doom?
- probably yes, but I'll hedging my answer bcz of the secretary. On the one hand, he was set to be lynched by the 44min mark. That would have been the time to claim. On the other hand, the secretary may have instructed the team to hold off their votes on the counterwagon until closer to the end. The latter could help explain how bozo went from 7 votes to 11 in the last 3 mins

✾ Was EOD1 frenzied and dynamic, or generally settled? What, if anything, does that tell you about alignments and team motivations?
frenzied. I wasn't there for EoD, but my reading of the posts and checking the bot timestamps on votes shows the last hour was pretty uncertain. The last 4 minutes was hectic.

My responses to two of your questions. See the italics.

The people that switched were the people on the TrPrado wagon