Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Foxcastle]

(Sorry, I had this ready to go for as soon as Carl replied, but then got sucked into a work thing.)

You may be speaking personally, but Carl was certainly trying to avoid the Flavius lynch more than anything else we’ll before EOD. What do you think of that?

You don't mind providing the messages that indicate Carl was trying to avoid Flav's lynch anything else, do you?

As I recall, Carl put a lot of effort into getting the Prado wagon rolling, but I don't seem to recall avoiding Flav's lynch was a greater priority to him than lynching Prado. But perhaps I'm wrong, if you don't mind providing those messages that prove what you just stated, perhaps we can come to an agreement on Carl's motivations.

These are all his posts from page 63 (93 minutes out) to EOD.

He starts off with:

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

I very much consider that to be "defending Flavius" and not "pushing TrPrado". He only once makes a short case that Flavius is innocent, and mostly just expresses repeated exasperation at the Flavius wagon and calls on Flavius voters to explain themselves.

There are 38 posts there. About a dozen of them include some sort of pushback on the Flavius lynch. He digs in on Bozo and engages with several folks. But I cannot find any post in there where he actually tries to get TrPrado lynched.

Going back farther, I cannot see any point where he actually tries to make a case that TrPrado is scum. He votes for him a couple times as he switches around, but never gives any indications. In fact, the post immediately prior to when he shows up and starts defending Flavius at EOD includes:

[snip]
COOL: Confident these people are town.

Squigs44
Balki Bartokomous
ChippeRock
TrPrado
Carl Tuckerson
FlaviusAetius
[snip]

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

[Foxcastle]

Look, there were 7 votes on Flav, and 3-4 on bozo. 90% of those players were offline, and it was clear none of them were going to switch wagons. Those that had their votes on 3rd party wagons tended to be offline, and those that did come online only did so in the very last minutes when it was too late to figure out whom they were planning to vote.

Due to that inflexibility, my block of 4 - after originally trying to get Prado lynched - switched from Prado to bozo, 1) because the Prado wagon wasn't going anywhere and the Flav wagon still had a big lead and 2) because bozo's voters were all offline, so they weren't going to make Prado's wagon the counterwagon to Flav's lynch and 3) although all 4 of us didn't read bozo as our biggest scum targets (a good portion of us read him as town), we thought lynching Flav was an obvious mislynch, and there was a greater chance of mislynching Flav than mislynching bozo.

I'm not going to try offering up an explanation for others outside of my group of 4, but that was our group's general motivation (stated above).

If bozo's wagon had been online, I hope we would of been able to get them onto Prado's wagon - but since such a huge amount of people were offline/inflexible at EoD, we had to make do with what we had and lynch the most scummy of the two.

IMPORTANT NOTE: At the time my group of 4 switched from Prado to bozo, we DID NOT know that others would switch their vote. As I recall, Tom, rdrivera, & Neph all showed up really last minute and unexpectedly (to the 4 of us) and switched their vote to bozo.

We were not aware we might of had the votes to get a Prado wagon lynched, because Tom, rdrivera, & Neph all just showed up last minute, and they didn't really show many indications that they were going to switch their vote (well rdrivera showed he would vote bozo, but than he switched his vote due to misinformation from Flav - and we weren't sure if he would switch it back).

It's easy to say in hindsight that we could of gotten another wagon who we felt more confidently was scum lynched - but we waited until the last 2 minutes to try to rally up support for the Prado wagon. And only changed our votes to bozo because, even though we all felt bozo was probably town, he was less likely to be town than Flav.

This does not strike me as townie.

It's literally what happened.

I'm getting real fuckin sick of your drive-by comments when you obviously haven't read a lick of EOD.
You are not acting in good faith.

I'm not questioning your facts, I'm questioning the mindset in how you present them.

Also, you have to do better than claiming I'm not acting in good faith. That's nonsense, back it up, rebut me.

[TrPrado]

(Sorry, I had this ready to go for as soon as Carl replied, but then got sucked into a work thing.)

You may be speaking personally, but Carl was certainly trying to avoid the Flavius lynch more than anything else we’ll before EOD. What do you think of that?

You don't mind providing the messages that indicate Carl was trying to avoid Flav's lynch anything else, do you?

As I recall, Carl put a lot of effort into getting the Prado wagon rolling, but I don't seem to recall avoiding Flav's lynch was a greater priority to him than lynching Prado. But perhaps I'm wrong, if you don't mind providing those messages that prove what you just stated, perhaps we can come to an agreement on Carl's motivations.

These are all his posts from page 63 (93 minutes out) to EOD.

He starts off with:

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

I very much consider that to be "defending Flavius" and not "pushing TrPrado". He only once makes a short case that Flavius is innocent, and mostly just expresses repeated exasperation at the Flavius wagon and calls on Flavius voters to explain themselves.

There are 38 posts there. About a dozen of them include some sort of pushback on the Flavius lynch. He digs in on Bozo and engages with several folks. But I cannot find any post in there where he actually tries to get TrPrado lynched.

Going back farther, I cannot see any point where he actually tries to make a case that TrPrado is scum. He votes for him a couple times as he switches around, but never gives any indications. In fact, the post immediately prior to when he shows up and starts defending Flavius at EOD includes:

[snip]
COOL: Confident these people are town.

Squigs44
Balki Bartokomous
ChippeRock
TrPrado
Carl Tuckerson
FlaviusAetius
[snip]

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

Did you read EOD?

[Foxcastle]

So I'm hearing lynch Foxcastle?

Please let this happen. I pray for the sweet release of death.

But if not me, I think Flavius gets us a whole lot of information about how the last 72 hours happened, because if he's town, we need to stop looking at everybody who's been posting so far and start looking at everybody who hasn't...

[Foxcastle]

(Sorry, I had this ready to go for as soon as Carl replied, but then got sucked into a work thing.)

You don't mind providing the messages that indicate Carl was trying to avoid Flav's lynch anything else, do you?

As I recall, Carl put a lot of effort into getting the Prado wagon rolling, but I don't seem to recall avoiding Flav's lynch was a greater priority to him than lynching Prado. But perhaps I'm wrong, if you don't mind providing those messages that prove what you just stated, perhaps we can come to an agreement on Carl's motivations.

These are all his posts from page 63 (93 minutes out) to EOD.

He starts off with:

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

I very much consider that to be "defending Flavius" and not "pushing TrPrado". He only once makes a short case that Flavius is innocent, and mostly just expresses repeated exasperation at the Flavius wagon and calls on Flavius voters to explain themselves.

There are 38 posts there. About a dozen of them include some sort of pushback on the Flavius lynch. He digs in on Bozo and engages with several folks. But I cannot find any post in there where he actually tries to get TrPrado lynched.

Going back farther, I cannot see any point where he actually tries to make a case that TrPrado is scum. He votes for him a couple times as he switches around, but never gives any indications. In fact, the post immediately prior to when he shows up and starts defending Flavius at EOD includes:

[snip]
COOL: Confident these people are town.

Squigs44
Balki Bartokomous
ChippeRock
TrPrado
Carl Tuckerson
FlaviusAetius
[snip]

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

Did you read EOD?

Yes. Did you?

[Carl Tuckerson]

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

They aren't "grossly misrepresenting" me.
They reported their honest impressions of what was going on. In the din of battle, you don't always correctly recognize what's happening. Impressions are made that stick with you even after the fact, when a sober look at the facts will reveal otherwise.
I believe them when they say I was leading the Prado lynch, because in the sense that I was spearheading an effort to save Flavius, I was.
Before you talk about misrepresentation again, remove the plank from your eye first.

[Carl Tuckerson]

(Sorry, I had this ready to go for as soon as Carl replied, but then got sucked into a work thing.)



These are all his posts from page 63 (93 minutes out) to EOD.

He starts off with: I very much consider that to be "defending Flavius" and not "pushing TrPrado". He only once makes a short case that Flavius is innocent, and mostly just expresses repeated exasperation at the Flavius wagon and calls on Flavius voters to explain themselves.

There are 38 posts there. About a dozen of them include some sort of pushback on the Flavius lynch. He digs in on Bozo and engages with several folks. But I cannot find any post in there where he actually tries to get TrPrado lynched.

Going back farther, I cannot see any point where he actually tries to make a case that TrPrado is scum. He votes for him a couple times as he switches around, but never gives any indications. In fact, the post immediately prior to when he shows up and starts defending Flavius at EOD includes:

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

Did you read EOD?

Yes. Did you?

He was there.
Way to prove you haven't.
Hang this man tomorrow

[Foxcastle]

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

They aren't "grossly misrepresenting" me.
They reported their honest impressions of what was going on. In the din of battle, you don't always correctly recognize what's happening. Impressions are made that stick with you even after the fact, when a sober look at the facts will reveal otherwise.
I believe them when they say I was leading the Prado lynch, because in the sense that I was spearheading an effort to save Flavius, I was.
Before you talk about misrepresentation again, remove the plank from your eye first.

I just think it's odd that there's all this talk about who's responsible for the Prado wagon and who supported it, and I don't see that reflected in the actual posts.

[worcej]

Night has ended. Please hold.

[Carl Tuckerson]

So my main question from all of this is why Chippe and TrPrado are grossly misrepresenting Carl here.

They aren't "grossly misrepresenting" me.
They reported their honest impressions of what was going on. In the din of battle, you don't always correctly recognize what's happening. Impressions are made that stick with you even after the fact, when a sober look at the facts will reveal otherwise.
I believe them when they say I was leading the Prado lynch, because in the sense that I was spearheading an effort to save Flavius, I was.
Before you talk about misrepresentation again, remove the plank from your eye first.

I just think it's odd that there's all this talk about who's responsible for the Prado wagon and who supported it, and I don't see that reflected in the actual posts.

You'd need to read the posts first to see it reflected in the posts

[Jamiet99uk]

HE SAID PLEASE HOLD

[worcej]

NIGHT ONE FLAVOR/RESULTS:

Phoenix, behind the wheel of his car with Maya in the passenger seat, chews intently on a bagel in his mouth. His focus on the road, driving hurriedly to the courthouse.

“Mmm mmmhmm mmmm aaarrmm merg errr stjbs!” Phoenix says with the bagel in his mouth.

Maya looks over with a glare. “Chew your food before you talk...”

Phoenix swallows. “I can’t believe how quickly they struck!” He pauses, “I mean, a homicide of one of our previous clients is pretty crazy!” He continues driving until he arrives to the court house.

On the curb outside the courthouse, Mike Meekins is waving down the car. Phoenix pulls up and steps out.

“What’s going on Mike, why are you out here?” Phoenix asks in surprise.

Mike jump to attention. “The Judge asked me to come out and take care of your car for you so you can get into the courtroom. He desperately needs your help sorting out what is going on with the murders!” He hands Phoenix a dossier. “The Judge needs you to read up on the murder. It was your old assistant Ema Skye...”

Maya gets out of the car and Phoenix hands Mike the keys. “Just don’t get the car dirty, I just washed her a couple days ago.”

Mike nods, gets into the car, and pulls the car away. After driving about 20 feet, the car explodes.

“HOLY CRAP!” Maya screams. Phoenix goes pale white.

“....my car!!.... Oh, and I guess poor Mike!...” Phoenix looks around and sees a random strangers on the ground, dead from the blast. “We need to get into the courtroom quickly! They are trying to get us!!!”

Maya and Phoenix run inside the Courthouse, the doors slamming behind them.

Carl Tuckerson HAS DIED. He was Ema Skye, the VANILLA TOWN.
Dargorygel HAS DIED. He was Mike Meekins, the TOWN BAILIFF.
CruaaderReynauld HAS DIED. He was a random spectator, the VANILLA TOWN.

DAY 2 HAS BEGUN. YOU MAY NOW POST.

[Durga]

agh thats actually the worst

i was jailed btw. i guess i won't be leaving a note now

[Foxcastle]

They aren't "grossly misrepresenting" me.
They reported their honest impressions of what was going on. In the din of battle, you don't always correctly recognize what's happening. Impressions are made that stick with you even after the fact, when a sober look at the facts will reveal otherwise.
I believe them when they say I was leading the Prado lynch, because in the sense that I was spearheading an effort to save Flavius, I was.
Before you talk about misrepresentation again, remove the plank from your eye first.

I just think it's odd that there's all this talk about who's responsible for the Prado wagon and who supported it, and I don't see that reflected in the actual posts.

You'd need to read the posts first to see it reflected in the posts

I have read all of your posts (thanks, Peterbot!). Please find me posts where you make a case for TrPrado or otherwise push his lynch. Your votes on him don't count, since you provided no justification at the time.

Because either there's something deceitful going on, or you've gotten so far off track that you're not even in the same game anymore.

I had typed this all out before EON was called, but it seems relevant for Chippe and TrPrado now that we know.

[TrPrado]

I just think it's odd that there's all this talk about who's responsible for the Prado wagon and who supported it, and I don't see that reflected in the actual posts.

You'd need to read the posts first to see it reflected in the posts

I have read all of your posts (thanks, Peterbot!). Please find me posts where you make a case for TrPrado or otherwise push his lynch. Your votes on him don't count, since you provided no justification at the time.

Because either there's something deceitful going on, or you've gotten so far off track that you're not even in the same game anymore.

I had typed this all out before EON was called, but it seems relevant for Chippe and TrPrado now that we know.

Something tells me Carl won't be doing that

[ChippeRock]

HE SAID PLEASE HOLD

It was an accident - besides, that was his last post (and you would of known that). Chill the fuck out and don't be so anal retentive.

[Durga]

serious question... i thought there were 2 nk powers. the mafia nk and the blind assassin. what's the third?

[worcej]

##GM Note:
To be clear, Cruaader was a mod-kill. I worked it into the flavor just because.

[TrPrado]

The third was no one wanted to replace a banned player

[Durga]

wow that super sucks for us