Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Nephthys]

Id like him to explain why he voted late, instead of you just declaring he needs to die

What is your read of Neph?

I havent looked at him at all, and me being pretty active in this, makes me think he is trying to lurk. He also voted for bozo at the last moment to avoid a tie which is bad. Because thats no way in heck the Nepth I know.
I want to know
1) what changed
2) why he voted so late
3) why he's lurking

I generally give less of a shit right now. Yes it is affecting my game. After this game gonna take a break again I think, didn't take long enough

See previous post

IRL stuff

[ChippeRock]

I already told you why bozo's words maybe just maybe mean NOTHING
You still havent responded as to why thinking TrPrado is a scum is bad

Because I don't think TrPrado is scum. I think he is town. I've played with him enough to recognize town tells from him.

Can you tell us some of the tells?

I thought the wall post he made was pretty townie. Assuming the analysis he posts later is along the same lines, I'd say that's more pro-town evidence

Yes, please do. Please also explain how these town tells aren't fake town tells.

[Carl Tuckerson]

Alright, fine TrPrado, I'll give you credit where it's due.
Making me think about the two different aspects of people voting Flavius was somewhat helpful.

Observe.

@carl... I read you as town... But you jump to a lot of conclusions. Is keeping a vote really ai for you? Teacon wrote he was busy during the day... As did I... Or perhaps folk didn't like the other options. Moving to bozo didn't turn out that well did it?

Don't worry I won't be moving this one

##VOTE dargorygel

Carl, Carl, Carl...
First, your vote in the night phase is a town-tell, imo... unless you ARE scum and the scum team said, "hey, act like you don't know what is happening." But I don't think so.
But here are two responses to your vote on me:
a) You are voting me because you don't think I am 'engaged' enough. I'm actually more engaged here than I have usually been. Ever since I had my moment of fame with TomBomb, I've been more vocal. This IS my town meta. Ask folk who have played with me.
b) You are voting for me because I pushed back. You ARE one of the most town-read folk in this room. Don't read push-back as AI. It's the interaction you sought.

Damn I got a 3-for-1 on that vote??? I'm on a roll.
The vote is clearly NAI. Why so nice? I'm not your buddy, guy!

I initially was concerned about engagement, and in a way this does circle back to engagement, but my bigger concern now is that I heavily dislike your voting pattern. Since you said earlier that you like analyzing by voting pattern, I assume you'll have a compelling explanation for yours...

You started off by voting for Flavius over his copying of Squigs's opener. So far, so medium.

So who is actually scumreading Flavius out of all the people pressuring and suspecting him? I see no votes.

Me.

I am... oddly argumentative, without direction...
I don't like his copying squigs. While I approve of squigs new experimental methodology, someone else copying it without the historical reasoning of squigs tastes like scumsoup. You get to list a few 'reads' that make you seem involved, without sticking your neck out.

##VOTE FLAVIUSAETIUS

You then switched to MoscowFleet in this post:

I'ts Day 1... ezio is not here to suggest a no-lynch...
But as usual, D1 is more readable on D3 than today.
But... remembering the last game... and my self-promise to policy lynch certain people for following certain procedures that led to a scum victory... AND since emc isn't here to policy lynch...

Moscowfleet... give us your wise insights. Stop not posting.
##VOTE Moscowfleet

I find the phrasing of this odd because if it was a policy lynch, how come you didn't see it through? It isn't as though MoscowFleet honored your request in any meaningful sense. Nor did you return near EOD, too late to push this lynch, and resign yourself to vote for someone who was up for lynch... you moved with a full 6 hours and 40 minutes left before deadline back to Flavius, without MoscowFleet doing anything to honor your request and, importantly, without any subsequent follow-up to or about MoscowFleet. You gave it up saying that there was "no traction," but you also didn't seek to generate any of that traction... if I were a suspicious man I'd think you just claimed you were policy-lynching MoscowFleet to have somewhere to put your vote and be forgotten about. Luckily I'm not a suspicious man.

But the curious thing to me about your switch back to Flavius is that you switched back for something different than what you said before.

G'morning
First, sorry for yesterday's absence... I had a visitor who became tTTWL (the Thing That Wouldn't Leave) and then I had the chance to umpire a Little League game, and like... who WOULDN'T choose that over almost any other activity? I had to send two kidlings to the bench because they hated each other, and kept fighting. Good evening,eh?

AND today (as Wednesdays usually are for me) is busy work-wise. I plan to be on near EoD, but not much more.

Regarding Carl's comments about my activity level, I see what he means. But I'll state in response that deep digging interaction is not what I usually do on D1. I roll my eyes, usually, at the 'absolutes' that people declare on D1. I ALMOST agree with the NoLynch idea, accept that analysing voting patterns of D1 will help us later. D1 I read a lot.

Here are TrPrado's questions of me, with my replies/comments:
Who is your top scum choice?
Flavius. I don't like the early conversations about Balki. It tastes to me like a secretery told a newbie-ish scum, "be careful of Balki. He be clever." Would Flav have reacted then so obviously? idk, Wifom, but my gut says he's scum. The Flavius I read in the last game was more focused... this one seems skittish and jumps a lot.
If you had to say what Chippe's alignment is, what do you think?
I think Chippe is town. He tried some shenanigans, desiring to Save the Town and be our hero. It didn't catch anyone's agreeing attention, so when he stopped trying to teach us how brilliant he is (knowing that he came in the game with a fair amount of hostility against him) he moved on. I also think he stood up well to the pressure. Finally, I don't see why a scummie would try his trick. And I imagine that if he DID, the secretery would have been screaming at him from the first moment. And Chippe kept on for quite some time.
What do you think Flavius's alignment is?
Scum. I'll be voting for him in a moment.
Would you prefer to vote for policy lynch or someone who you think is scum?
lol... my vote on MF was a policy vote. I still could go there. But when we have forty-eleven small wagons, there is no pressure on MF... and also, my policy vote was not really just 'pressure.' I am worried about the recent success of lurking scum. I would stay on an MF lynch, if it looked like it was gaining traction. It's not. So I move to my top scumread.
##vote flaviusaerelius

What happened to him copying Squigs being the reason for your vote, and not liking that?
And it isn't as though the Balki bit happened after your first vote. You just didn't mention it at all the first time. The second time, it was the only reason you gave for having Flavius at the top of the list. Why wasn't it important enough to mention before?

Can you explain this inconsistency for me?

[EspressoPatronum]

@Espresso, you've been lurking here for at least 30 minutes (probably closer to an hour). Give us an update on your reads, thoughts, & opinions. So far in this game, you've provided nothing to this game - step it up, and please give us your reads.

Definitely closer to an hour to catch up, maybe more. I wanted to hold off my updates until after I got past the EoD stuff. I did an on-the-go analysis one time in m1007 and got some flak for it bcz I was replying to events before EoD a few hours after EoD. Is this a meta thing, or was that just ND and xorxes?

Regarding your comment on my contribution, I have two responses:
1. You're right - I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal. I made a post about it earlier tonight, but I expect my participation will be higher as my schedule clears up over the next few days. Not much I can do about it now.
2. Just because you don't like my reasons for voting you doesn't mean that's 'nothing.' It's not a lot, but 'nothing' is a bit far. Town read on teacon and Trprado, too.

[ChippeRock]

@Espresso, you've been lurking here for at least 30 minutes (probably closer to an hour). Give us an update on your reads, thoughts, & opinions. So far in this game, you've provided nothing to this game - step it up, and please give us your reads.

Definitely closer to an hour to catch up, maybe more. I wanted to hold off my updates until after I got past the EoD stuff. I did an on-the-go analysis one time in m1007 and got some flak for it bcz I was replying to events before EoD a few hours after EoD. Is this a meta thing, or was that just ND and xorxes?

Regarding your comment on my contribution, I have two responses:
1. You're right - I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal. I made a post about it earlier tonight, but I expect my participation will be higher as my schedule clears up over the next few days. Not much I can do about it now.
2. Just because you don't like my reasons for voting you doesn't mean that's 'nothing.' It's not a lot, but 'nothing' is a bit far. Town read on teacon and Trprado, too.

Voting for an, in the end, very unsuccessful policy lynch didn't do anything for town.

[EspressoPatronum]

@Espresso, you've been lurking here for at least 30 minutes (probably closer to an hour). Give us an update on your reads, thoughts, & opinions. So far in this game, you've provided nothing to this game - step it up, and please give us your reads.

Definitely closer to an hour to catch up, maybe more. I wanted to hold off my updates until after I got past the EoD stuff. I did an on-the-go analysis one time in m1007 and got some flak for it bcz I was replying to events before EoD a few hours after EoD. Is this a meta thing, or was that just ND and xorxes?

Regarding your comment on my contribution, I have two responses:
1. You're right - I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal. I made a post about it earlier tonight, but I expect my participation will be higher as my schedule clears up over the next few days. Not much I can do about it now.
2. Just because you don't like my reasons for voting you doesn't mean that's 'nothing.' It's not a lot, but 'nothing' is a bit far. Town read on teacon and Trprado, too.

Voting for an, in the end, very unsuccessful policy lynch didn't do anything for town.

Coming from the pseudo-policy lynch on town!bozo? Please...

[EspressoPatronum]

Definitely closer to an hour to catch up, maybe more. I wanted to hold off my updates until after I got past the EoD stuff. I did an on-the-go analysis one time in m1007 and got some flak for it bcz I was replying to events before EoD a few hours after EoD. Is this a meta thing, or was that just ND and xorxes?

Regarding your comment on my contribution, I have two responses:
1. You're right - I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal. I made a post about it earlier tonight, but I expect my participation will be higher as my schedule clears up over the next few days. Not much I can do about it now.
2. Just because you don't like my reasons for voting you doesn't mean that's 'nothing.' It's not a lot, but 'nothing' is a bit far. Town read on teacon and Trprado, too.

Voting for an, in the end, very unsuccessful policy lynch didn't do anything for town.

Coming from the pseudo-policy lynch on town!bozo? Please...

Your scum read on bozo was clearly an OMGUS. You can deny it, but all of your posts scream "I'm an emotional player." Bozo voted for you, then you decided he had to go.

Just like you're doing with me, ND, and Durga.

As I mentioned previously, all of your top town reads are supporters.

If I ever need to have an easy buddy as scum, all I need to do is pet your ego.

[ChippeRock]

Definitely closer to an hour to catch up, maybe more. I wanted to hold off my updates until after I got past the EoD stuff. I did an on-the-go analysis one time in m1007 and got some flak for it bcz I was replying to events before EoD a few hours after EoD. Is this a meta thing, or was that just ND and xorxes?

Regarding your comment on my contribution, I have two responses:
1. You're right - I haven't been able to contribute as much as normal. I made a post about it earlier tonight, but I expect my participation will be higher as my schedule clears up over the next few days. Not much I can do about it now.
2. Just because you don't like my reasons for voting you doesn't mean that's 'nothing.' It's not a lot, but 'nothing' is a bit far. Town read on teacon and Trprado, too.

Voting for an, in the end, very unsuccessful policy lynch didn't do anything for town.

Coming from the pseudo-policy lynch on town!bozo? Please...

Seriously, nearly half of the people in this game, if lynched, would be a pseudo-policy lynch. You are (were) included in that category.

[ChippeRock]

Voting for an, in the end, very unsuccessful policy lynch didn't do anything for town.

Coming from the pseudo-policy lynch on town!bozo? Please...

Your scum read on bozo was clearly an OMGUS. You can deny it, but all of your posts scream "I'm an emotional player." Bozo voted for you, then you decided he had to go.

Just like you're doing with me, ND, and Durga.

As I mentioned previously, all of your top town reads are supporters.

If I ever need to have an easy buddy as scum, all I need to do is pet your ego.

What scum read on bozo? I clearly stated multiple times I thought he was town, but between him & Flav, he was the more scummy of the two in my opinion.

I haven't scumread you either.

Additionally, ND didn't scumread me until AFTER I scumread him. If one of us is OMGUS, it's him.

So many flaws with your argumen...

[Squigs44]

Dear scumteam,

Please kill ChippeRock. I think it will help both scum and town alike and overall raise the quality of the game. I can't stand reading another 100+ posts from him that are repetitive, illogical, and close-minded.

Cordially,
Squigs44

P.S. I would really enjoy a visit from a lovely hooker tonight, day one was exhausting

[Squigs44]

Also, is now a bad time to tell y'all that #Squigsdude isn't real?

[ChippeRock]

Dear scumteam,

Please kill ChippeRock. I think it will help both scum and town alike and overall raise the quality of the game. I can't stand reading another 100+ posts from him that are repetitive, illogical, and close-minded.

Cordially,
Squigs44

P.S. I would really enjoy a visit from a lovely hooker tonight, day one was exhausting

Yes, please do. If I get killed by the Mafia, that means at least some of my reads was correct - or at least I was bring heat onto the right people. It would actually help town.

[ND]

I'm going to bed and then I'm going to work. In Chippie's worldview that means I am going to be lurking for about the next 12-15 hours.

[ChippeRock]

I'm going to bed and then I'm going to work. In Chippie's worldview that means I am going to be lurking for about the next 12-15 hours.

12-15 hours is one thing, 36 hours of straight up lurking is another thing. You only came out of your shell when I started shining a spot light on you. You clearly intended to keep on lurking until I called you out.

[Squigs44]

I'm going to bed and then I'm going to work. In Chippie's worldview that means I am going to be lurking for about the next 12-15 hours.

12-15 hours is one thing, 36 hours of straight up lurking is another thing. You only came out of your shell when I started shining a spot light on you. You clearly intended to keep on lurking until I called you out.

Can you do me a favor and never use the word clearly again? You have clearly abused it.

[ND]

I'm going to bed and then I'm going to work. In Chippie's worldview that means I am going to be lurking for about the next 12-15 hours.

12-15 hours is one thing, 36 hours of straight up lurking is another thing. You only came out of your shell when I started shining a spot light on you. You clearly intended to keep on lurking until I called you out.

Lol so false. No way it was 36 hours. At most 20 hours because of work, job, not being able to physically do anything, but again your deceitful and a proven liar so obscure, obscure, obscure bro.

[ND]

There is a thing called timestamps, I know it's hard to understand /sarcasm

It's easy to prove that your 36 hour thing is fake, but I'm too tired to do it rn.

[Squigs44]

There is a thing called timestamps, I know it's hard to understand /sarcasm

It's easy to prove that your 36 hour thing is fake, but I'm too tired to do it rn.

I got you ND. The longest break in your posts was less than 20 hours.

[ChippeRock]

There is a thing called timestamps, I know it's hard to understand /sarcasm

It's easy to prove that your 36 hour thing is fake, but I'm too tired to do it rn.

31 hours, sorry typo.

Lurking doesn't equal no posts - you realize that right?

It took you until 16:57 (left in the day) to make more than 1 post that was longer than 2 lines. And that was in response to me shining the spotlight on you.

All (except one, but even that one was just a long bitchy post) of your posts up to than were short posts that were either bitching, sarcastic, or insults.

[ChippeRock]

There is a thing called timestamps, I know it's hard to understand /sarcasm

It's easy to prove that your 36 hour thing is fake, but I'm too tired to do it rn.

31 hours, sorry typo.

Lurking doesn't equal no posts - you realize that right?

It took you until 16:57 (left in the day) to make more than 1 post that was longer than 2 lines. And that was in response to me shining the spotlight on you.

All (except one, but even that one was just a long bitchy post) of your posts up to than were short posts that were either bitching, sarcastic, or insults.

If you don't want to call that lurking, than that's your opinion, but you provided about as much insight into this game as a lurker.