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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1781 Post by Carl Tuckerson » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:15 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:01 am
Okay, yeah I saw that post. Yeah, I mean, I see where you voted Bozo on Page 66. You give a ‘reason’ but I don’t see how this somehow invalidates your previous list on Page 64?? Why wasn’t Bozo on that list? Just making a best guess based on the wagons? This is what I am confused about.
At the time I posted the list, none of my list of people I wanted to kill were viable wagons. We were down to Flavius and bozo.
If you check out the whole list from 4am or 5am or whenever it was, you will see that I had bozo in a pile of people who hadn't posted enough for me to think anything significant about them.
I did not want to lynch Flavius because I was very sure he was town. I incorrectly talked myself into believing bozo was a bit better than a shot in the dark, when in truth he was a shot in the dark and I was letting my strong desire not to let Flavius get lynched cloud my judgment on bozo.

The scenario was what 'invalidated' the list if you will.
FWIW I think about half of them were wrong and I am a bit lost right now. I think Flavius and Chippe are obviously town when it seems almost no one else does, and it's becoming very hard to sort out the townies who are wrong in good faith (in my view) and the mafia who are taking advantage of the townies being wrong (again in my view).
I think Foxcastle and dargorygel are still good lynches on that list. I've talked a bit about the wagons from the perspective of believing Flavius to be town, since I do, and Foxcastle and dargorygel look very suspicious to me if that's true.
Tom made some great points about TrPrado's big posts being mostly recap and little analysis. I think I put him in the kill list in error.
I'm not sure what to do with Durga or connorcompton, though I think Durga's desire to go for someone else besides Flavius or bozo is probably good for her.

I think I added TrPrado to the "COOL" or "PASS" categories (don't remember which) in error because I wanted to give credit for his big posting effort, but Tom and others have rightly pointed out that the big posts were scant on committal reads, which is odd for Prado having done so much reading. He's also in my view not followed up very much with all the questions he asked, which is what I figured he would do when the questions were effectively the culmination of his massive posts. And I think his continued pushing on Flavius really sucks.
But I have to admit I'm still struggling with reconciling how much work he seemed to put into his posts... do people really do all that work in huge mafia games? Especially in the presence of multiple players who immediately called it out for lacking in conclusions? I can't see myself doing it as mafia, I'll say that.

I keep coming back to Foxcastle and dargorygel so that's probably where I'll start d2 if I'm around for it.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1782 Post by FlaviusAetius » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:15 am

I already told you why bozo's words maybe just maybe mean NOTHING
You still havent responded as to why thinking TrPrado is a scum is bad

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1783 Post by TrPrado » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 am

FlaviusAetius wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:08 am
TrPrado wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:51 am
Carl Tuckerson wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:47 am
Jesus Christ that wasn't my point.
There is no meaningful distinction to me between the "Squigs's dude" bit and the "Balki is smart" bit. All of that shit was admittedly weird but not in the slightest bit alignment indicative and pales in comparison to the effort Flavius put together. Hanging on to that from the first hour of the game is suspicious to me when Flavius did so much more throughout the day and frankly put more effort into solving than most of the people voting for him.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Y'all are the experienced people right? How are you getting stuck on such inane bullshit?
I'd argue there's certainly some kind of decent distinction looking back on it. One is about how Flavius read the game, the other was about Flavius for some reason deciding he was going to stick to Squigs and follow him based on essentially nothing. He presumed Squigs to be truthful and took him at face value and defended him from every criticism.
Thats it, when Squigs gets on Im asking him the link to the game the dude did this strategy to PROVE to you it was true
You are on this useless point and you really need to back off of it
Whether or not it was true doesn't matter. What matters is you took it at face value and went to bat for Squigs over it.

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#1784 Post by ND » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 am

BY CHIPPIE'S OWN LOGIC TEACON SHOULD BE SCUM BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR CRUAADER YET HE NEVER FOCUSES ON HIM.

THAT'S NOT WEIRD TO YOU FLAV? ARE YOU DENSE?

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#1785 Post by ChippeRock » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:17 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:13 am
ChippeRock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:09 am
ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:03 am
Quote it again

“Until he states he has played other Mafia games, this doesn't disprove that he knows how to play Mafia based solely on the OP & the Internet.” (Chippie, 51)

AFTER TEACON's vote

AFTER

AFTER

CLEARLY something is wrong with Chippie here he is stuck in his own web of lies and obscuring the thread.
Even though it was a clear hint, I wanted confirmation from the man himself. His statement could be interpreted vaguely and I wanted to know specifically how many games he played before. 2-3 is a big difference when reading someone than 39-40 games.

Don't be a damn hypocrite and call me deceitful.
Backpeddling now bitch hahahaha

Just stop being deceitful and obscuring the thread. You aren't fooling me or anyone else here. Your tactics are exposed and you have been called out.

Your probably scum, but also retarded. I intend to lead a lynch on you tomorrow or Cruaader's replacement. Imo Bozo's words are worth a lot.
Bozo's words are worth as much as anybody else's here - and they're discounted by the fact he made 1 read.

Fucking moron, "backpeddling" and "tactics are exposed" - what fucking tactics dumbass?

I intend to lead a lynch on you as well, since you completely ignored Cruaader's n00b factor (which we at the time all believed he was a noob) and just straight up called him scum instead of attributing at least part of it to him playing his first game.

Though I can agree that Cruaader has a good chance of being scum, your read based on the information available to you at the time is horrifically bad and very scummy.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1786 Post by FlaviusAetius » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:17 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:14 am
FlaviusAetius wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:09 am
ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:01 am
-snip-
BECAUSE. TEACON. WAS. A. NON-POINT. EVENTUALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE END OF THE DAY YOU CANT JUST START ENTIRELY NEW WAGONS
WHY. ARE. YOU. STILL. ON. THIS.

IDIOT! I never said Teacon should have been voted. I am asking CHIPPIE why HE NEVER FUCKING FOCUSED ON TEACON. HE SPENT ALL DAY FOCUSING ON ME AND TRPRADO FOR VOTING CRUAADER AND NEVER TEACON DESPITE

DESPITE

DESPITE

DESPITE

TEACON VOTING AT THE SAME TIME ME AND TRPRADO VOTED FOR CRUAADER

IS THAT CLEAR FOR YOU MORON?
NO. ITS. NOT.
Explain again please :D
WITHOUT capitals

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1787 Post by ND » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:18 am

FlaviusAetius wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:15 am
I already told you why bozo's words maybe just maybe mean NOTHING
You still havent responded as to why thinking TrPrado is a scum is bad
Because I don't think TrPrado is scum. I think he is town. I've played with him enough to recognize town tells from him.

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#1788 Post by ChippeRock » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:18 am

ChippeRock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:17 am
ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:13 am
ChippeRock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:09 am


Even though it was a clear hint, I wanted confirmation from the man himself. His statement could be interpreted vaguely and I wanted to know specifically how many games he played before. 2-3 is a big difference when reading someone than 39-40 games.

Don't be a damn hypocrite and call me deceitful.
Backpeddling now bitch hahahaha

Just stop being deceitful and obscuring the thread. You aren't fooling me or anyone else here. Your tactics are exposed and you have been called out.

Your probably scum, but also retarded. I intend to lead a lynch on you tomorrow or Cruaader's replacement. Imo Bozo's words are worth a lot.
Bozo's words are worth as much as anybody else's here - and they're discounted by the fact he made 1 read.

Fucking moron, "backpeddling" and "tactics are exposed" - what fucking tactics dumbass?

I intend to lead a lynch on you as well, since you completely ignored Cruaader's n00b factor (which we at the time all believed he was a noob) and just straight up called him scum instead of attributing at least part of it to him playing his first game.

Though I can agree that Cruaader has a good chance of being scum, your read based on the information available to you at the time is horrifically bad and very scummy.
Not only that, but lurking for the majority of Day 1 is extremely scummy.

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1789 Post by Durga » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:18 am

FlaviusAetius wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:06 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:04 am
So much fighting. Stop fighting!

Be nice. Be respectful. Find scum.

I don’t think we’re helping ourselves with the personal attacks. It’s frankly turning me off from the game, and I’m probably not the only one. We don’t need to insult each other personally to make a point.
ANYONE who is calm after we just killed a lurker day one AFTER EVERYONE SAID NOT TOO
Makes me :? :? :?
Sry I'll try to stop being mean pls don't quit :'(

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Re: Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

#1790 Post by ChippeRock » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:19 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 am
BY CHIPPIE'S OWN LOGIC TEACON SHOULD BE SCUM BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR CRUAADER YET HE NEVER FOCUSES ON HIM.

THAT'S NOT WEIRD TO YOU FLAV? ARE YOU DENSE?
Teacon made his vote after Cruaader left a big and clear hint that he had played Mafia before - which eliminates his n00b factor completely and makes him seem scummy. Idiot, how many times do I have to explain it to your feeble peasant mind?

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#1791 Post by Carl Tuckerson » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:19 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:18 am
FlaviusAetius wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:15 am
I already told you why bozo's words maybe just maybe mean NOTHING
You still havent responded as to why thinking TrPrado is a scum is bad
Because I don't think TrPrado is scum. I think he is town. I've played with him enough to recognize town tells from him.
Maybe you can help me figure him out then.
If it weren't for the fact that I have trouble seeing mafia do all the work he did, given its low potential reward, I'd be sure he's mafia.
What are you seeing that I'm not? Where am I off-base?

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#1792 Post by ND » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:20 am

ChippeRock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:19 am
ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 am
BY CHIPPIE'S OWN LOGIC TEACON SHOULD BE SCUM BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR CRUAADER YET HE NEVER FOCUSES ON HIM.

THAT'S NOT WEIRD TO YOU FLAV? ARE YOU DENSE?
Teacon made his vote after Cruaader left a big and clear hint that he had played Mafia before - which eliminates his n00b factor completely and makes him seem scummy. Idiot, how many times do I have to explain it to your feeble peasant mind?
You've already backpeddled on this point and been proven to be a retard who doesn't care about your own logic. Your a fucking scum mafia man obscuring the thread and called out. Your done. Fuck off.

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#1793 Post by Carl Tuckerson » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:20 am

ChippeRock, FlaviusAetius, ND:

Can y'all all take five minutes and come back without caps lock or insults? Trying to figure out if there's anything interesting going on in there is unbearable when you're all at each others' throats.

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#1794 Post by ChippeRock » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:26 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:20 am
ChippeRock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:19 am
ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:16 am
BY CHIPPIE'S OWN LOGIC TEACON SHOULD BE SCUM BECAUSE HE VOTED FOR CRUAADER YET HE NEVER FOCUSES ON HIM.

THAT'S NOT WEIRD TO YOU FLAV? ARE YOU DENSE?
Teacon made his vote after Cruaader left a big and clear hint that he had played Mafia before - which eliminates his n00b factor completely and makes him seem scummy. Idiot, how many times do I have to explain it to your feeble peasant mind?
You've already backpeddled on this point and been proven to be a retard who doesn't care about your own logic. Your a fucking scum mafia man obscuring the thread and called out. Your done. Fuck off.
"Called out" by our lord and savior, the perfect, never scum, ND! He completely rages when read as scum, because as we all know, that's simply not true. He makes reads based on information that hasn't been presented to the rest of the players. He has a loyal follower who instantly votes whomever he votes.

The signs you are scum are way to obvious, and unfortunately no one can seem to spot them. No one says anything about your lurking. No one makes a comment on Prado immediately joining the wagon after you created it. Just a bunch of fucking stupid letting an obvious scum get away.

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#1795 Post by ChippeRock » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:28 am

@Espresso, you've been lurking here for at least 30 minutes (probably closer to an hour). Give us an update on your reads, thoughts, & opinions. So far in this game, you've provided nothing to this game - step it up, and please give us your reads.

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#1796 Post by ND » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:30 am

@Carl: I appreciate your response above. It does explain a bit about your actions and thought process.

You say a lot about how you think Flav is town and Chippie, etc. That’s your reads on them.

You say: “Maybe you can help me figure him out then.” in reference to TrPrado.

I mean my meta and gut reads on other players are just as fair play as yours. I don’t see his actions as scum indicative just as you apparently don’t see anything wrong with Chippie or Flav.. (which I find bizarre in reference to Chippie, Flav just appears to be dense).

@Chippie: Yep, I don’t care if he was a noob or not. It means absolutely nothing to me. He signed up for the fucking game. He claimed to have read the game. He lied about that based on his semicolon vote. He offered no thoughts, analysis, reads, observations, takes, etc. I voted him and his actions after solidified my vote. He is just as much as scum as you. Being a noob literally means absolutely fucking nothing to me. I don’t care. I fucking don’t care. I absolutely don’t give a fuck about it at all. Fuck off and no I didn’t lurk D1 your a god damn retard.

“Teacon made his vote after Cruaader left a big and clear hint that he had played Mafia before - which eliminates his n00b factor completely and makes him seem scummy. Idiot, how many times do I have to explain it to your feeble peasant mind?”

Discredited and debunked already


@Flav: Well, if you can’t see how his logic has been debunked and how his whole argument about me and TrPrado is fake as fuck then I can’t help you. I’ve already explained it. His logic is fake. His actions are fake. He is fake and deceitful. If you don’t see it then I can’t help you man I’ve already answered it.

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#1797 Post by TrPrado » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:34 am

ChippeRock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:28 am
@Espresso, you've been lurking here for at least 30 minutes (probably closer to an hour). Give us an update on your reads, thoughts, & opinions. So far in this game, you've provided nothing to this game - step it up, and please give us your reads.
I can agree with this!!

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#1798 Post by dargorygel » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:35 am

Carl Tuckerson wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:48 pm
dargorygel wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:31 pm
@carl... I read you as town... But you jump to a lot of conclusions. Is keeping a vote really ai for you? Teacon wrote he was busy during the day... As did I... Or perhaps folk didn't like the other options. Moving to bozo didn't turn out that well did it?
Don't worry I won't be moving this one

##VOTE dargorygel
Carl, Carl, Carl...
First, your vote in the night phase is a town-tell, imo... unless you ARE scum and the scum team said, "hey, act like you don't know what is happening." But I don't think so.
But here are two responses to your vote on me:
a) You are voting me because you don't think I am 'engaged' enough. I'm actually more engaged here than I have usually been. Ever since I had my moment of fame with TomBomb, I've been more vocal. This IS my town meta. Ask folk who have played with me.
b) You are voting for me because I pushed back. You ARE one of the most town-read folk in this room. Don't read push-back as AI. It's the interaction you sought.
:-)

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#1799 Post by dargorygel » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:36 am

Whatever ND had for breakfast, he shouldn't have.
ND likes to try different persona... not sure what to make of this one, but it's pretty bursty and angry. Is that AI?

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#1800 Post by ChippeRock » Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:39 am

ND wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:30 am
@Carl: I appreciate your response above. It does explain a bit about your actions and thought process.

You say a lot about how you think Flav is town and Chippie, etc. That’s your reads on them.

You say: “Maybe you can help me figure him out then.” in reference to TrPrado.

I mean my meta and gut reads on other players are just as fair play as yours. I don’t see his actions as scum indicative just as you apparently don’t see anything wrong with Chippie or Flav.. (which I find bizarre in reference to Chippie, Flav just appears to be dense).

@Chippie: Yep, I don’t care if he was a noob or not. It means absolutely nothing to me. He signed up for the fucking game. He claimed to have read the game. He lied about that based on his semicolon vote. He offered no thoughts, analysis, reads, observations, takes, etc. I voted him and his actions after solidified my vote. He is just as much as scum as you. Being a noob literally means absolutely fucking nothing to me. I don’t care. I fucking don’t care. I absolutely don’t give a fuck about it at all. Fuck off and no I didn’t lurk D1 your a god damn retard.

“Teacon made his vote after Cruaader left a big and clear hint that he had played Mafia before - which eliminates his n00b factor completely and makes him seem scummy. Idiot, how many times do I have to explain it to your feeble peasant mind?”

Discredited and debunked already


@Flav: Well, if you can’t see how his logic has been debunked and how his whole argument about me and TrPrado is fake as fuck then I can’t help you. I’ve already explained it. His logic is fake. His actions are fake. He is fake and deceitful. If you don’t see it then I can’t help you man I’ve already answered it.
I'm not saying fucking Cruaader isn't scum - I changed my opinion on that after hearing about Cruaader's experience in previous Mafia games. I'm saying that you're read & vote for Cruaader is completely unjustifiable based on what you knew at the time.

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