Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[FlaviusAetius]

So much fighting. Stop fighting!

Be nice. Be respectful. Find scum.

I don’t think we’re helping ourselves with the personal attacks. It’s frankly turning me off from the game, and I’m probably not the only one. We don’t need to insult each other personally to make a point.

ANYONE who is calm after we just killed a lurker day one AFTER EVERYONE SAID NOT TOO
Makes me

[TrPrado]

Can you lay off the tough guy shtick already? It's impossible for me to tell what you're saying in good faith and what you're saying in bad faith.

Your salty someone has seen through your facade

Hardly. I just can't tell if you're lying about what I said and did or if you're putting on a facade of your own.
I was very transparent with all of my moves and decisions and rationale.
I believe FlaviusAetius is town, and I saw multiple of my suspects on his wagon, with the bulk of the criticism directed at him based on something that had very little merit at that point in the game.
I said at the time that I didn't like the bozo wagon much, but that it was better than Flavius for certain. When it's late in the phase and you can't get your primary suspects lynched, and you're sure that someone is a mislynch, why wouldn't you try to stop the mislynch?

You're quoting a suspects list that was several hours old, which I posted before falling asleep. I got back to the game 2 hours before EOD and had a lot to catch up on and little time to do it.
What's "snake oil" about any of it?

Which criticisms are the ones you think people were using on Flavius?

[TrPrado]

So much fighting. Stop fighting!

Be nice. Be respectful. Find scum.

I don’t think we’re helping ourselves with the personal attacks. It’s frankly turning me off from the game, and I’m probably not the only one. We don’t need to insult each other personally to make a point.

ANYONE who is calm after we just killed a lurker day one AFTER EVERYONE SAID NOT TOO
Makes me

No. He's used to D1 mislynches. These things happen, there's no point in grandstanding, and mourning wastes time and space.

[FlaviusAetius]

So you dont want any answers as to why we killed the lurker bozo?
I hope you know that involves getting dirty and pressuring people

[ND]

Ok you definetly didnt read the EoD ND
We wanted to kill TrPrado not bozo, but again people like you are the reason why we didnt
Stop going after chippie and carl for actually trying to solve something
Also I understand you have a job, that doesnt mean you get to just not do anything throughout the entire day until the end, like for goodness sakes you still had your vote on CRUSADER
Also the TrPrado wagon was always a second-rate wagon but always had the chance of picking up momentum
Also I know bozo wanted to kill Chippie but guess what?
Bozo didnt come up with that idea until the VERY END

1. You say they are trying to solve "something" I say they are very detrimental in the case of Chippie, extremely so, and suspect at this point in the case of Carl. I know they saved your ass by being on another wagon, but **IF** you are town that doesn't mean you have to suck their dick. This game is about problem solving not defending people who didn't end on your wagon bro.

2. Yeah, what do you want me to do. Pull out my phone every 2 seconds in a room of students and say, 'oh hai guys I got to check my phone' that is very disrespectful to the work I do. I don't work at a fucking McDonalds or some bullshit where you could get away with something like that.

3. TrPrado being a wagon is almost as retarded as Bozo being a wagon in my opinion. Only a true moron would say something or push something like that.

4. "Bozo didnt come up with that idea until the VERY END" I guess the very end is like almost 48 hours then bcoz he had his vote on him for basically the entire phase. Don't be a deceitful prick. Bozo pushed Chippie all D1 and his last words confirmed he held his read. Bozo, is very good at this game. His words and the weight of his words are worth more than every single post you have made in this game to me.

[Carl Tuckerson]

Your salty someone has seen through your facade

Hardly. I just can't tell if you're lying about what I said and did or if you're putting on a facade of your own.
I was very transparent with all of my moves and decisions and rationale.
I believe FlaviusAetius is town, and I saw multiple of my suspects on his wagon, with the bulk of the criticism directed at him based on something that had very little merit at that point in the game.
I said at the time that I didn't like the bozo wagon much, but that it was better than Flavius for certain. When it's late in the phase and you can't get your primary suspects lynched, and you're sure that someone is a mislynch, why wouldn't you try to stop the mislynch?

You're quoting a suspects list that was several hours old, which I posted before falling asleep. I got back to the game 2 hours before EOD and had a lot to catch up on and little time to do it.
What's "snake oil" about any of it?

Which criticisms are the ones you think people were using on Flavius?

Balki, Foxcastle and dargorygel all voted for Flavius based off the "Balki is a good player" nonsense. By the end of the first day that is flat out terrible reasoning for being on him. That argument was never very compelling and Flavius did a lot of solving work later in the day that I would have thought any reasonable person would recognize as outweighing an admittedly weird but not alignment indicative opening.
MoscowFleet's vote was virtually a policy lynch, calling Flavius "useless town or scum" with no explanation.
That was the backbone of the Flavius wagon.

[FlaviusAetius]

By the way TrPrado Ive never stopped to ask
Who do you even think is scum at this point?
Ive tried to put pressure on you, but its been staved off, I suggest you start talking

[ChippeRock]

First, RIP Bozo. I can’t comprehend why he was lynched. It doesn’t make any sense. But, here were his last words:

Bozo: “Lynch ChippeRock next.” (Bozo, 78 last words) In my opinion they should be absolutely considered. Chippie is very suspect now.

I think this is apt. A couple of things about Bozo meta wise. He is fucking good at this game. For him to be taken out in such a clusterfuck of retardedness it is shameful really. Everyone who voted for him is suspect in my opinion.

Out of the two EOD major wagons Flav was a much better choice on the face of it then Bozo. Damn.

Second, people who fucking spat around all day peddling their snake oil read lists with players they would vote like @Carl should seriously be questioned and also @RetardChippie

2a) Chippie rambles and rants about me and TrPrado then throws his vote on Bozo at EOD? I guess it was because Bozo had “more votes” huh Chippie? Funny how you like never really mention him until he has "more votes" or is a leading wagon huh Chippie?

2b) Carl posts his snake oil ‘reads list’ frequently in the lead up to EOD here is a reminder of it from way back on pp. 66:

“I'd lynch from this pool still:

Durga
Tom Bombadil
Foxcastle
ND
dargorygel
Connorcompt​on”

Who’s missing here: Bozo. Yeah. Like a master puppeter he manages to contort his way into that vote. Same can be said for RetardChippie who spends all day pranting about me and TrPrado but I mention this in 2a already.

Third, after Cruaader is revealed to be a rule violator and banned from the website Chippie goes off and down into his shitty little tunnel and occasionally lashes out at me and also TrPrado for voting for Cruaader. He is gleeful demanding a modkill, etc. Even still this night phase ranting about it. Funny thing is, he never focuses on Teacon and Trprado didn’t even end on Cruaader D1. @RetardChippie: Why no Teacon? Why isn’t he also included in your !mustbescum bullshit contrived excrement filled retard posts? Kind of weird how he never focuses on Teacon who also voted for Cruaader around the same time I did? Odd, why? Also, when Cruaader or whoever fills that spot flips we are going to be slam dunking a fucking mafia man down the toilet.

3a) I highlight this post from Drugna on page 81. Seems she and the Retard have gotten into some bullshit thing. The argument is so low IQ I can’t really follow it. Here is the highlighted post though: ““At this point, Chippe is just saying things that are blatantly false. He's taking actions that are not scummy or AI and scum reading people for them. This is very deceitful behaviour. And coupled with his earlier antics which were incredibly deceitful, I don't know how we can justify not lynching him.” (pp. 81)

Almost like a diamond in a pile of shit this post shines out. It's truth. He is a deceitful, spammy, little knot of spasy shit and retarded to boot.

4a) Response to Flav, 79: “Why were you two not here at EoD???”
I have something called a job. I know it may be hard to understand for all of you bottom feeders, but IRL I am an educator with multiple M.A.’s. And I have to administer and grade final tests this week. I know that is hard to understand please try to bare with me. Furthermore, EOD is unnecessarily early in the day and there is no way on god’s green earth I will ever be on at EOD ever because it’s when I am teaching classes (unless I am still alive and the game is ongoing like a week and a half from now when I get my summer leave).

I voted for bozo because I didn't have the votes for Prado. Bozo was more likely to be scum than Flav, even though I thought it was Town v. Town. I made what was the statistically better choice in my mind.

Yes, since bozo, who made the comment as a player and not as a spectator who can view the God thread, is suddenly always right now that he's been lynched.

Whereas you & Prado jumped on top of Cruaader when all we knew at the time about him was he was playing his 1st game for playing the noob card - which is very scummy indeed - teacon jumped on after all of that had been revealed, and I don't blame him, I would have some suspicions about him too.

[ChippeRock]

Hardly. I just can't tell if you're lying about what I said and did or if you're putting on a facade of your own.
I was very transparent with all of my moves and decisions and rationale.
I believe FlaviusAetius is town, and I saw multiple of my suspects on his wagon, with the bulk of the criticism directed at him based on something that had very little merit at that point in the game.
I said at the time that I didn't like the bozo wagon much, but that it was better than Flavius for certain. When it's late in the phase and you can't get your primary suspects lynched, and you're sure that someone is a mislynch, why wouldn't you try to stop the mislynch?

You're quoting a suspects list that was several hours old, which I posted before falling asleep. I got back to the game 2 hours before EOD and had a lot to catch up on and little time to do it.
What's "snake oil" about any of it?

Which criticisms are the ones you think people were using on Flavius?

Balki, Foxcastle and dargorygel all voted for Flavius based off the "Balki is a good player" nonsense. By the end of the first day that is flat out terrible reasoning for being on him. That argument was never very compelling and Flavius did a lot of solving work later in the day that I would have thought any reasonable person would recognize as outweighing an admittedly weird but not alignment indicative opening.
MoscowFleet's vote was virtually a policy lynch, calling Flavius "useless town or scum" with no explanation.
That was the backbone of the Flavius wagon.

Yes, that wagon needs to be looked at - I betcha 2-3 scum are on that wagon.

[ChippeRock]

First, RIP Bozo. I can’t comprehend why he was lynched. It doesn’t make any sense. But, here were his last words:

Bozo: “Lynch ChippeRock next.” (Bozo, 78 last words) In my opinion they should be absolutely considered. Chippie is very suspect now.

I think this is apt. A couple of things about Bozo meta wise. He is fucking good at this game. For him to be taken out in such a clusterfuck of retardedness it is shameful really. Everyone who voted for him is suspect in my opinion.

Out of the two EOD major wagons Flav was a much better choice on the face of it then Bozo. Damn.

Second, people who fucking spat around all day peddling their snake oil read lists with players they would vote like @Carl should seriously be questioned and also @RetardChippie

2a) Chippie rambles and rants about me and TrPrado then throws his vote on Bozo at EOD? I guess it was because Bozo had “more votes” huh Chippie? Funny how you like never really mention him until he has "more votes" or is a leading wagon huh Chippie?

2b) Carl posts his snake oil ‘reads list’ frequently in the lead up to EOD here is a reminder of it from way back on pp. 66:

“I'd lynch from this pool still:

Durga
Tom Bombadil
Foxcastle
ND
dargorygel
Connorcompt​on”

Who’s missing here: Bozo. Yeah. Like a master puppeter he manages to contort his way into that vote. Same can be said for RetardChippie who spends all day pranting about me and TrPrado but I mention this in 2a already.

Third, after Cruaader is revealed to be a rule violator and banned from the website Chippie goes off and down into his shitty little tunnel and occasionally lashes out at me and also TrPrado for voting for Cruaader. He is gleeful demanding a modkill, etc. Even still this night phase ranting about it. Funny thing is, he never focuses on Teacon and Trprado didn’t even end on Cruaader D1. @RetardChippie: Why no Teacon? Why isn’t he also included in your !mustbescum bullshit contrived excrement filled retard posts? Kind of weird how he never focuses on Teacon who also voted for Cruaader around the same time I did? Odd, why? Also, when Cruaader or whoever fills that spot flips we are going to be slam dunking a fucking mafia man down the toilet.

3a) I highlight this post from Drugna on page 81. Seems she and the Retard have gotten into some bullshit thing. The argument is so low IQ I can’t really follow it. Here is the highlighted post though: ““At this point, Chippe is just saying things that are blatantly false. He's taking actions that are not scummy or AI and scum reading people for them. This is very deceitful behaviour. And coupled with his earlier antics which were incredibly deceitful, I don't know how we can justify not lynching him.” (pp. 81)

Almost like a diamond in a pile of shit this post shines out. It's truth. He is a deceitful, spammy, little knot of spasy shit and retarded to boot.

4a) Response to Flav, 79: “Why were you two not here at EoD???”
I have something called a job. I know it may be hard to understand for all of you bottom feeders, but IRL I am an educator with multiple M.A.’s. And I have to administer and grade final tests this week. I know that is hard to understand please try to bare with me. Furthermore, EOD is unnecessarily early in the day and there is no way on god’s green earth I will ever be on at EOD ever because it’s when I am teaching classes (unless I am still alive and the game is ongoing like a week and a half from now when I get my summer leave).

I voted for bozo because I didn't have the votes for Prado. Bozo was more likely to be scum than Flav, even though I thought it was Town v. Town. I made what was the statistically better choice in my mind.

Yes, since bozo, who made the comment as a player and not as a spectator who can view the God thread, is suddenly always right now that he's been lynched.

Whereas you & Prado jumped on top of Cruaader when all we knew at the time about him was he was playing his 1st game for playing the noob card - which is very scummy indeed - teacon jumped on after all of that had been revealed, and I don't blame him, I would have some suspicions about him too.

Cut the crap ND, yes, you have a job - but that doesn't justify lurking for 32 hours until called out for it, making a couple reads, voting, and than just going off the grid for the remaining 16 hours (save for the hour immediately after you spent arguing with me).

You've lurked the majority of the beginning of this game, used faulty logic (at a time when the information that would of justified such logic wasn't known to the public yet) to try to lynch someone, and overall not participated much in this game (not much to offer: a couple reads here and there, a couple insights here and there - but that's it).

[ND]

@Carl: Quite bizarre considering you made that read list I quoted above on Page 64 then initially voted Bozo on Page 66. That's a timespan of two pages. Weird how he wasn't included in that list on page 64. A short page count of two pages to have such a reversal in reads? Now granted you do move around a bit, but you do vote Bozo on page 66 and end your vote on him, but do move around a bit in between.

It's natural to be salty when you are called out and called to account. Luckily the post history is easy to dig up so you can't hide bro.

[FlaviusAetius]

Ok you definetly didnt read the EoD ND
We wanted to kill TrPrado not bozo, but again people like you are the reason why we didnt
Stop going after chippie and carl for actually trying to solve something
Also I understand you have a job, that doesnt mean you get to just not do anything throughout the entire day until the end, like for goodness sakes you still had your vote on CRUSADER
Also the TrPrado wagon was always a second-rate wagon but always had the chance of picking up momentum
Also I know bozo wanted to kill Chippie but guess what?
Bozo didnt come up with that idea until the VERY END

1. You say they are trying to solve "something" I say they are very detrimental in the case of Chippie, extremely so, and suspect at this point in the case of Carl. I know they saved your ass by being on another wagon, but **IF** you are town that doesn't mean you have to suck their dick. This game is about problem-solving not defending people who didn't end on your wagon bro.
So whats your case on Chippie again? Cause Im pretty sure we eliminated that possibility a long time ago before you and Durga started going after him
And yea I know but Im not defending Carl and Chippie for no reason, your case on Carl is WEAK, and pretends like he didnt do anything at EOD
And Chippie did some weird stuff, so scum.
And can we at least agree Bozo was a lurker. That means he probably wasnt putting his all into this game, especially since he was town. So maybe just maybe he saw some stuff about Chippie, and parked. Bozo isnt a god you know

2. Yeah, what do you want me to do. Pull out my phone every 2 seconds in a room of students and say, 'oh hai guys I got to check my phone' that is very disrespectful to the work I do. I don't work at a fucking McDonalds or some bullshit where you could get away with something like that.
Of course not, but staying on Crusader makes no sense, especially since you all of a sudden hate Chippie, why not even vote for him??

3. TrPrado being a wagon is almost as retarded as Bozo being a wagon in my opinion. Only a true moron would say something or push something like that.


4. "Bozo didnt come up with that idea until the VERY END" I guess the very end is like almost 48 hours then bcoz he had his vote on him for basically the entire phase. Don't be a deceitful prick. Bozo pushed Chippie all D1 and his last words confirmed he held his read. Bozo, is very good at this game. His words and the weight of his words are worth more than every single post you have made in this game to me.

By the way I dont think you are a scum, its either you or Durga and Im leaning Durga

Which would make the scum team so far;
TrPrado
Balki
Durga
Maybe Nepthys
One of these lurkers;
Moscow
Xorxes
Espresso
Darg
Damo

[xorxes]

Now you've seen bozo flip town. I tried to do a last minute lynch on Neph. Why the FUCK would I do that as scum when I could be pretty confident that town would flip. And it appears you think Flav is also town. So when it's town v town wtf would I gain from a third wagon.

I think you're probably town, but this argument doesn't make a lot of sense. What you would gain as scum is that you could then come and make this argument, and even set Neph up for the next day. Your pushing for a third wagon is certainly not scummy, but neither is it strong evidence that you're town. Your general tone though I do find towny.

Either learn how to think about the game or stop engaging me. It's a waste of my time. The way you word things is so deceitful. Your d1 antics were nothing but deceitful. Just because you curse and yell at people and act abrasive all game doesn't make you useful

I hope you both try to disengage for a while.

[FlaviusAetius]

Forgot to answer point 3 and 4;
3. TrPrado being a wagon is almost as retarded as Bozo being a wagon in my opinion. Only a true moron would say something or push something like that.

Ok there's been a lot of evidence on him though so explain why??

4. "Bozo didnt come up with that idea until the VERY END" I guess the very end is like almost 48 hours then bcoz he had his vote on him for basically the entire phase. Don't be a deceitful prick. Bozo pushed Chippie all D1 and his last words confirmed he held his read. Bozo, is very good at this game. His words and the weight of his words are worth more than every single post you have made in this game to me.
Refer to number one, Bozo never did it with any actual pressure, just laid a vote and assumed hed be fine, what was even his arguments? Weird posts by chippie?
Give me a break

[Carl Tuckerson]

@Carl: Quite bizarre considering you made that read list I quoted above on Page 64 then initially voted Bozo on Page 66. That's a timespan of two pages. Weird how he wasn't included in that list on page 64. A short page count of two pages to have such a reversal in reads? Now granted you do move around a bit, but you do vote Bozo on page 66 and end your vote on him, but do move around a bit in between.

It's natural to be salty when you are called out and called to account. Luckily the post history is easy to dig up so you can't hide bro.

It was a list copy-pasted from when I posted it before going to bed you complete and utter moron.

[ChippeRock]

Now you've seen bozo flip town. I tried to do a last minute lynch on Neph. Why the FUCK would I do that as scum when I could be pretty confident that town would flip. And it appears you think Flav is also town. So when it's town v town wtf would I gain from a third wagon.

I think you're probably town, but this argument doesn't make a lot of sense. What you would gain as scum is that you could then come and make this argument, and even set Neph up for the next day. Your pushing for a third wagon is certainly not scummy, but neither is it strong evidence that you're town. Your general tone though I do find towny.

Either learn how to think about the game or stop engaging me. It's a waste of my time. The way you word things is so deceitful. Your d1 antics were nothing but deceitful. Just because you curse and yell at people and act abrasive all game doesn't make you useful

I hope you both try to disengage for a while.

She should stop being so butthurt and answer my perfectly legitimate question instead of avoiding it.

[TrPrado]

By the way TrPrado Ive never stopped to ask
Who do you even think is scum at this point?
Ive tried to put pressure on you, but its been staved off, I suggest you start talking

If you'd read my posts, I've answered my top 3 already. Squigs, you, Cruaader. Beyond that my reads are less certain. Espresso and teacon seem like very strong possibilities based on what I saw in reread. They both have very shallow participation. There's very little substance to them, and what's there seems fake. The way rivera explains himself at times feels contradictory, damo is flying under the radar a bit too much for my taste, and Nephthys feels like he's hiding something not very savory.

But it's analysis time so let's gather round the campfire.

[Carl Tuckerson]

And it's not "such a reversal." I clearly explained myself.

Why are you acting in such bad faith right now?

[TrPrado]

3. TrPrado being a wagon is almost as retarded as Bozo being a wagon in my opinion. Only a true moron would say something or push something like that.

Ok there's been a lot of evidence on him though so explain why??

I would sure love for you to use some of it.

[ND]

-snip-

I voted for bozo because I didn't have the votes for Prado. Bozo was more likely to be scum than Flav, even though I thought it was Town v. Town. I made what was the statistically better choice in my mind.

You voted for someone with the 'most votes' or at the very least a major wagon. You don't really concentrate on him at all until he becomes a thing. You don't vote your reads. You are not being honest.

Yes, since bozo, who made the comment as a player and not as a spectator who can view the God thread, is suddenly always right now that he's been lynched.

Don't even know what this means. His reads meta wise are very good.

Whereas you & Prado jumped on top of Cruaader when all we knew at the time about him was he was playing his 1st game for playing the noob card - which is very scummy indeed - teacon jumped on after all of that had been revealed, and I don't blame him, I would have some suspicions about him too.

1) This is bullshit. It doesn't matter if it was his first game or not. I assume people playing on this forum have 1) read the rules, 2) are committed to playing the game. I've posted my opinion on his play way back in the 50s and stand by it. I don't give AF if it was his first game or not. He didn't offer anything, he didn't give any opinions, he didn't do anything, he showed no care for solving the game, he showed no interest in solving anything, he probably never read the game as evident by his semicolon vote, he is absolute, absolute scum. 2) Double bullshit, teacon actually did get his vote in very early Teacon voted for crusader on page 49 shortly after me and TrPrado in the midst of the debate and before he had some experience was fully revealed. 3) Why are you trying to be deceitful concerning Teacon?