Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Foxcastle]

I think Flavius is the most interesting flip currently, but Trprado and Moscow Fleet are also acceptable to me.

[ChippeRock]

Chippe - I applaud your defense of lurkers and I totally get it. And at one point I was you. But we've actually lost games because we let lurkers get a free pass, and Moscow has never not lurked and he gets away with it every time. And it doesn't matter if it's now or the next day, but when it gets to the point where we're nearing end game and we have no info on like 40% of the players because they've lurked all game then we're absolutely fucked. And it gets harder and harder to lynch lurkers because we have so much data on other people and want to see how they flip.

You've clearly not read my post about Moscow's previous games.

Even by Moscow's standards, he has never lurked this hard. And by the way, there was one game where he didn't lurk - in that game he was the Mafia Godfather. Additionally, in the 2 games he was a VT, he has also lurked.

Essentially, your argument that "he's lurked before as scum and he's lurking again, thus he must be scum!" is completely unfounded.

[Durga]

Chippe - I applaud your defense of lurkers and I totally get it. And at one point I was you. But we've actually lost games because we let lurkers get a free pass, and Moscow has never not lurked and he gets away with it every time. And it doesn't matter if it's now or the next day, but when it gets to the point where we're nearing end game and we have no info on like 40% of the players because they've lurked all game then we're absolutely fucked. And it gets harder and harder to lynch lurkers because we have so much data on other people and want to see how they flip.

You've clearly not read my post about Moscow's previous games.

Even by Moscow's standards, he has never lurked this hard. And by the way, there was one game where he didn't lurk - in that game he was the Mafia Godfather. Additionally, in the 2 games he was a VT, he has also lurked.

Essentially, your argument that "he's lurked before as scum and he's lurking again, thus he must be scum!" is completely unfounded.

I never said that. When did I say that? I said he needs to die so he stops doing this shit every game

[et]

Things in my head:

Man, the TrPrado wall is ridiculous. He just paraphrased stuff, and asked bad questions that don’t seem to have a direction. And he kept telling us how late at night it was. I feel like his motivation was more about showing us how much effort he was putting in. That is very much scum indicative.

@TrPrado — top three scum reads and reasons please.

Squigs, Flavius, Cruaader

Squigs is harping on details and blowing them out of proportion, but he acts in such a similar vein as what he criticizes that it gives him an air of not being genuine when you take the time to look at it.

Flavius is defensive and tunnels. There’s also the odd detail of scum reading you and I but town reading Squigs even though that read started with very little difference in our 3 behaviors, yet none of those reads have changed or evolved. And he consistently comes to Squigs defense when he’s not needed.

Cruaader is 100% scum. I downgraded from 100000% but he’s still scum. A lot of people are misinterpreting what I’m looking at. The detail here is that he’s deferring to the opinions of others. When he says he wants to lie low and post less, he’s saying he wants to hand the control of the game to those more experienced to playing here. Which is scumtell.

@TrP Then, why you unvote? You had voted flav.

[et]

Sorry not flav, Squ.

[Foxcastle]

Hey Chippe, do you think Durga is scum or just wrong?

[ChippeRock]

Chippe - I applaud your defense of lurkers and I totally get it. And at one point I was you. But we've actually lost games because we let lurkers get a free pass, and Moscow has never not lurked and he gets away with it every time. And it doesn't matter if it's now or the next day, but when it gets to the point where we're nearing end game and we have no info on like 40% of the players because they've lurked all game then we're absolutely fucked. And it gets harder and harder to lynch lurkers because we have so much data on other people and want to see how they flip.

You've clearly not read my post about Moscow's previous games.

Even by Moscow's standards, he has never lurked this hard. And by the way, there was one game where he didn't lurk - in that game he was the Mafia Godfather. Additionally, in the 2 games he was a VT, he has also lurked.

Essentially, your argument that "he's lurked before as scum and he's lurking again, thus he must be scum!" is completely unfounded.

I never said that. When did I say that? I said he needs to die so he stops doing this shit every game

As VT, he lurked both times. That is clearly his playing strategy. But, punishing him for an unintentional lurk isn't going to change his playing strategy - because he hasn't even participated in the game, much less read up on everything.

[Durga]

bro moscowfleet lurked all of last game as scum. it's NIA.

[ChippeRock]

Hey Chippe, do you think Durga is scum or just wrong?

I think there's a decent chance she's scum. Her high volume, low content play, in addition to her playing this game extremely safe - voting only for policy lynches - makes her look extremely scummy to me. Though I'm not sure if someone from Mafia would play like she has, I could see 3rd party playing like that.

If she is scum, the strategy has worked, as everyone's written her off as obvious town.

[Tom Bombadil]

I think Flavius is the most interesting flip currently, but Trprado and Moscow Fleet are also acceptable to me.

Why is Moscow flip interesting?

[Durga]

balki says some bs about me playing "safe" and you've bandwaggoned it like nothing else.

what about this playstyle is safe? lmao - i like that you're scum reading me but this safe stuff is nonsense

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 1.10:

FlaviusAetius(4) - Balki Bartokomous, Dargorygel, Foxcastle, Moscowfleet
bozotheclown(3) - Percy Williams, et, Damo666
TrPrado(2) - FlaviusAetius, ChippeRock
Foxcastle(2) - Rdrivera2005, Tom Bombadil
CruaaderReynauld(2) - ND, Teacon7
ChippeRock(2) - bozotheclown, EspressoPatronum
teacon7(2) - connorcompton, Nephthys
MoscowFleet(2) - Durga, Squigs44
Durga(1) - Carl Tuckerson  
Percy Williams(1) - xorxes
No‑Lynch(1) - CruaaderReynauld

Unvoted: TrPrado (who must cast a valid vote by EoD)

FLAVIUS.A. is scheduled to be executed.

Two hours and 15 minutes remain in Day One.

[ChippeRock]

bro moscowfleet lurked all of last game as scum. it's NIA.

He lurked as VT twice as well! Did you not read the post I linked??

[Foxcastle]

I think Flavius is the most interesting flip currently, but Trprado and Moscow Fleet are also acceptable to me.

Why is Moscow flip interesting?

It's not, but he's an atrocious lurker, and I wouldn't mind punishing that to try to improve the community.

[ChippeRock]

balki says some bs about me playing "safe" and you've bandwaggoned it like nothing else.

what about this playstyle is safe? lmao - i like that you're scum reading me but this safe stuff is nonsense

What's not safe about it?

Hmm, you've offered no reads. All of your posts are high volume, low content. And all of votes have been for policy lynches - they're safe because no one will question a policy lynch's motive.

[Durga]

bro moscowfleet lurked all of last game as scum. it's NIA.

He lurked as VT twice as well! Did you not read the post I linked??

wtf do you know what nia means. it means his lurking is NOT ALLIGNMENT INDICATIVE. he does it as both town and scum. regardless, he's a goddamn town liability and will lose us the game at the end

[Durga]

i need a mute button asap

[Durga]

bro moscowfleet lurked all of last game as scum. it's NIA.

He lurked as VT twice as well! Did you not read the post I linked??

wtf do you know what nia means. it means his lurking is NOT ALLIGNMENT INDICATIVE. he does it as both town and scum. regardless, he's a goddamn town liability and will lose us the game at the end

NAI**** because i have issues

[ChippeRock]

I think Flavius is the most interesting flip currently, but Trprado and Moscow Fleet are also acceptable to me.

Why is Moscow flip interesting?

It's not, but he's an atrocious lurker, and I wouldn't mind punishing that to try to improve the community.

Punishing what's highly likely to be an unintentional lurk isn't going to solve the problem. Again, even by Moscow's standards, this is blatant lurking (as I've stated in this analysis of Moscow's past games). And, based on his history, if Moscow were intentionally lurking, it would be impossible to tell if he were town or scum.

[Durga]

why is he so hell bent on defending moscowfleet. it's so weird