Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[ChippeRock]

It is much, much, much, much x 100000 better if he just votes for his best guess, even if he doesn't have much confidence in it, even if he hasn't read/analyzed the whole game.

I mean, he should of known what he was signing up into. Since he's a new player, I really don't think his vote would appear* be super helpful to town one way or another since he's more likely to lynch someone that everybody else is all worked up about lynching - he's most likely going to exhibit herding behavior when making his vote. That does nothing for town - about as much as a No-Lynch does.

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

[damo666]

It is much, much, much, much x 100000 better if he just votes for his best guess, even if he doesn't have much confidence in it, even if he hasn't read/analyzed the whole game.

I mean, he should of known what he was signing up into. Since he's a new player, I really don't think his vote would be super helpful to town one way or another since he's more likely to lynch someone that everybody else is all worked up about lynching - he's most likely going to exhibit herding behavior when making his vote. That does nothing for town - about as much as a No-Lynch does.

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

implying...?

[damo666]

@Chips why did you just quote that without comment?

[ChippeRock]

It is much, much, much, much x 100000 better if he just votes for his best guess, even if he doesn't have much confidence in it, even if he hasn't read/analyzed the whole game.

I mean, he should of known what he was signing up into. Since he's a new player, I really don't think his vote would be super helpful to town one way or another since he's more likely to lynch someone that everybody else is all worked up about lynching - he's most likely going to exhibit herding behavior when making his vote. That does nothing for town - about as much as a No-Lynch does.

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

*shocked Pikachu face*

Yes, I did. But can you say that you did not do the same for connor? Everybody has written him off on town, but who knows, he could be scum - there just isn't enough information to tell either way IMHO.

They're both playing the noob card, and it's possible 1 of them is scum. Neither have inputted much on this game as well.

[ChippeRock]

@Chips why did you just quote that without comment?

See bolded word in the quote.

[Squigs44]

Catching up while at work. I see I have a ton of questions waiting for me, half of which I feel like I have already answered already, but those are gonna have to wait till I'm not on mobile.

K, Flav is giving me town vibes now so there's that.

##vote Tom Bomb

His play is so awfully awk right now. His posts aren't actually moving discussion at all. Town Tom is much better than this.

[damo666]

@Chips why did you just quote that without comment?

See bolded word in the quote.

OK Gotcha. Thanks.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I mean, he should of known what he was signing up into. Since he's a new player, I really don't think his vote would be super helpful to town one way or another since he's more likely to lynch someone that everybody else is all worked up about lynching - he's most likely going to exhibit herding behavior when making his vote. That does nothing for town - about as much as a No-Lynch does.

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

implying...?

Well, one way to catch scum is when they reveal in the thread that they know something that only scum would know. If CruaaderReynauld is, in fact, Town, this would be decent evidence that ChippeRock knew that beforehand.

Now I'm pretty conflicted. The thing that struck me about the Chippe/VT shenanigans that dominated the beginning of the game was that Chippe sincerely seemed to believe that he was town. Whether or not there was some exploit at play, I just got the impression that he felt in his heart that he was righteous. Seemed like a pretty readable moment to me, so he has basically been my top townread. But this is interesting. I don't really want to act on this now, but I want to file it away for when we have more flips.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I mean, he should of known what he was signing up into. Since he's a new player, I really don't think his vote would be super helpful to town one way or another since he's more likely to lynch someone that everybody else is all worked up about lynching - he's most likely going to exhibit herding behavior when making his vote. That does nothing for town - about as much as a No-Lynch does.

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

*shocked Pikachu face*

Yes, I did. But can you say that you did not do the same for connor? Everybody has written him off on town, but who knows, he could be scum - there just isn't enough information to tell either way IMHO.

They're both playing the noob card, and it's possible 1 of them is scum. Neither have inputted much on this game as well.

Reading someone is Town, and simply assuming they are Town are pretty different to me. If you have a reason to read Cruaader as Town based on what he has posted so far, please explain.

[Carl Tuckerson]

As much as I appreciate this site's strong moderator staff, all three of my most reasonable kills right now are mods.

dargorygel, Foxcastle and TrPrado are all doing the umpire bit where they ask people questions about their posts but the questions largely don't go anywhere and they don't come to useful conclusions. Their votes are all not good either--either the lurking MoscowFleet or clear bait wagons like FlaviusAetius or ChippeRock--where they exist at all (Foxcastle has not voted).

Do any of them normally do this bit where they hover around the conversation of the thread and play 20 Questions but ultimately settle on weak votes?

~~~

connorcompton:

Town

Shall we play psychoanalyst? You don't think "let's kill some people" is a little cavalier for town? Seems more of a scum perspective to me.

Perhaps "I would love to be in jail" is a innate confession of someone who knows they are truly a criminal. Because criminals MUST go to prison, so if they must, the best thing to do is to anticipate it and welcome it.

Shall we play burn the Squigs witch? This is insane.

What did you mean by this post? I never got a clear understanding of what you were looking to accomplish here.

[ChippeRock]

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

implying...?

Well, one way to catch scum is when they reveal in the thread that they know something that only scum would know. If CruaaderReynauld is, in fact, Town, this would be decent evidence that ChippeRock knew that beforehand.

Now I'm pretty conflicted. The thing that struck me about the Chippe/VT shenanigans that dominated the beginning of the game was that Chippe sincerely seemed to believe that he was town. Whether or not there was some exploit at play, I just got the impression that he felt in his heart that he was righteous. Seemed like a pretty readable moment to me, so he has basically been my top townread. But this is interesting. I don't really want to act on this now, but I want to file it away for when we have more flips.

You're overreading it - I, just like everybody else, instantly assumed that the noobs in this game were town (which isn't such a horrible assumption).

Connor has used the noob card to get strong townreads throughout - and while I won't comment on whether or not that's a correct read, neither him nor Cruaader have said enough to get themselves strong townreads.

[ChippeRock]

So...in this post, ChippeRock assumes that CruaaderReynauld is Town.

*shocked Pikachu face*

Yes, I did. But can you say that you did not do the same for connor? Everybody has written him off on town, but who knows, he could be scum - there just isn't enough information to tell either way IMHO.

They're both playing the noob card, and it's possible 1 of them is scum. Neither have inputted much on this game as well.

Reading someone is Town, and simply assuming they are Town are pretty different to me. If you have a reason to read Cruaader as Town based on what he has posted so far, please explain.

I've made 3 reads, if I had a new one, believe me, I would post it.

[connorcompton]

Jesus Christ, catching up has taken me way longer than expected but I didn't want to start commenting until completely up to date. I feel so refreshed with knowledge. (opinions)

1. I am almost certain Carl is town

2. I think Squigs likely is aswell.

3. I am genuinely very glad Chippe has been able to reintegrate back into this game. I thought the end was near close to the end of my catchup.
(I don't think I need to say he is clearly town)

4. 'Lurkers'. While I think it is quite early to assume Mafia from someone who's hardly posted, bozo's seeming lack of care to post literally anything of importance makes me highly suspicious.

5. I have no idea about Flavius.

6. From my fairly unimformed opinion, Balki seems scum, don't read too much into that though.

7. I think teacon is Mafia, annoyingly I'm finding this hard to justify, but discounting Chippe's actions as scum, and eagerness to lynch lurkers are hard for me to ignore. So I am going to have to respectfully ##VOTE teacon7

[Balki Bartokomous]

Reading someone is Town, and simply assuming they are Town are pretty different to me. If you have a reason to read Cruaader as Town based on what he has posted so far, please explain.

Just to elaborate on this a bit:

The reason why folks were encouraging Cruaader to vote was not because we all crave his input about who is scum so that we can use his reasoning. The reason is that we want to know more about Cruaader's alignment and so even if he votes and shares his thoughts before he has read the entire thread, that can help us sort him, and help us later when we have more flips.

You seemed to miss that, as you were instructing him that it is within the rules to simply avoid voting, and you were explaining that his arguments and likely "herding" vote would not add to the discussion.

Possible you just had a snaptown read for some reason, but there wasn't much
(any?) reason for that. It is also possible that you simply reacted that way because you happen to know for a fact that Cruaader is Town.

I'll also note: if Cruaader is in fact Scum, I find this to be likely townclearing for Chippe. I would not expect Scum!Chippe to make a post with that underlying assumption after his partner finally entered the thread.

[ChippeRock]

Bozo, until you post something meaningful (in which case I will change my vote - unless what you say makes you seem scummy), I will ##VOTE bozo. Hopefully this provides you the proper motivation to share your reads and opinions on everyone in this game.

[Balki Bartokomous]

You're overreading it - I, just like everybody else, instantly assumed that the noobs in this game were town (which isn't such a horrible assumption).

Connor has used the noob card to get strong townreads throughout - and while I won't comment on whether or not that's a correct read, neither him nor Cruaader have said enough to get themselves strong townreads.

Everyone else assumes that "the noobs in the game were town"? Who does that? I don't. I have never seen that assumption before. Why would anyone assume that? Why do you assume that?

Why do you keep bringing up Connor? I don't see what that has to do at all with Cruaader.

[connorcompton]

As much as I appreciate this site's strong moderator staff, all three of my most reasonable kills right now are mods.

dargorygel, Foxcastle and TrPrado are all doing the umpire bit where they ask people questions about their posts but the questions largely don't go anywhere and they don't come to useful conclusions. Their votes are all not good either--either the lurking MoscowFleet or clear bait wagons like FlaviusAetius or ChippeRock--where they exist at all (Foxcastle has not voted).

Do any of them normally do this bit where they hover around the conversation of the thread and play 20 Questions but ultimately settle on weak votes?

~~~

connorcompton:

Shall we play psychoanalyst? You don't think "let's kill some people" is a little cavalier for town? Seems more of a scum perspective to me.

Perhaps "I would love to be in jail" is a innate confession of someone who knows they are truly a criminal. Because criminals MUST go to prison, so if they must, the best thing to do is to anticipate it and welcome it.

Shall we play burn the Squigs witch? This is insane.

What did you mean by this post? I never got a clear understanding of what you were looking to accomplish here.

Ok, ok, ok. So sorry that post has seemed to have confused.
I came into this game with next to no knowledge of how Mafia is played, (not the rules, the social conventions) and here was Squigs making gut reads instantly. I was not aware this was not something he does all the time. I did not consider the possibility that he was anything but certain about his claims.

To the comment, it was an off-hand joke. I was amazed by what he was doing and decided that was the best way to express it.

[ChippeRock]

Reading someone is Town, and simply assuming they are Town are pretty different to me. If you have a reason to read Cruaader as Town based on what he has posted so far, please explain.

Just to elaborate on this a bit:

The reason why folks were encouraging Cruaader to vote was not because we all crave his input about who is scum so that we can use his reasoning. The reason is that we want to know more about Cruaader's alignment and so even if he votes and shares his thoughts before he has read the entire thread, that can help us sort him, and help us later when we have more flips.

You seemed to miss that, as you were instructing him that it is within the rules to simply avoid voting, and you were explaining that his arguments and likely "herding" vote would not add to the discussion.

Possible you just had a snaptown read for some reason, but there wasn't much
(any?) reason for that. It is also possible that you simply reacted that way because you happen to know for a fact that Cruaader is Town.

I'll also note: if Cruaader is in fact Scum, I find this to be likely townclearing for Chippe. I would not expect Scum!Chippe to make a post with that underlying assumption after his partner finally entered the thread.

I disagree, I don't think his vote means anything until he has read the whole thread and posted all of his thoughts & opinions.

[Tom Bombadil]

Reading someone is Town, and simply assuming they are Town are pretty different to me. If you have a reason to read Cruaader as Town based on what he has posted so far, please explain.

Just to elaborate on this a bit:

The reason why folks were encouraging Cruaader to vote was not because we all crave his input about who is scum so that we can use his reasoning. The reason is that we want to know more about Cruaader's alignment and so even if he votes and shares his thoughts before he has read the entire thread, that can help us sort him, and help us later when we have more flips.

You seemed to miss that, as you were instructing him that it is within the rules to simply avoid voting, and you were explaining that his arguments and likely "herding" vote would not add to the discussion.

Possible you just had a snaptown read for some reason, but there wasn't much
(any?) reason for that. It is also possible that you simply reacted that way because you happen to know for a fact that Cruaader is Town.

I'll also note: if Cruaader is in fact Scum, I find this to be likely townclearing for Chippe. I would not expect Scum!Chippe to make a post with that underlying assumption after his partner finally entered the thread.

I would agree with this. I don’t put a ton of weight into scumreading Chippe for this as I think he is more obsessed with proving himself as town than anything else (which is not AI in this case) But if Crusader is scum I also think it very unlikely Chippe scum

[TrPrado]

All my questions are going places. I’m just pacing myself.