Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Tom Bombadil]

@Balki

Durga seems loose and genuine to me - I think if she was scum she would be calculated as even the prospect of being scum stresses her out I think.

I think saying her vote of ChippeRock is safe is a silly reason to base an opninion in as she townreads him and it’s clearly a frustrated with him vote versus a scumread vote.

I liked her post asking about teacon being funny. That seemed organic. Scum would find a more concrete thing to attack I feel whereas something like that is trying to solve from a town mindset. I also like her being on Flavs case.

[Durga]

The only benefit to Chippe's garbage is that Carl is like 99% town

[et]

I don’t scumread ChippeRock and needed to put my vote elsewhere. His observation about ND felt unnatural and I don’t know what it accomplished besides trying to get other people to take up the torch against ND who is one of the most lynchable players in every game he is in.

@Tom, do you have some town reads? Still hoping for more from you. Can you please claim a PR and make something useful happen?

I don’t have strong townreads yet. I do think Durga is likely town. And I think squiggs and Carl are likely town as well, but not as strong a feeling as Durga.

@et: I wouldn’t call it a temporary vote, no. I may move it, sure, but I am comfortable lynching TrPrado at this point

Thanks. When I don't have strong conference and there are much time left, I don't vote someone. So I wasn't able to understand your vote. But for now, I think that is your way to playing and that may have no relationship to you are town or scum.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Tom, why do you think Durga is Town? She seems to be acting in a bit of a safe zone so far. The Moscow and Chippe votes feel safe and non-confrontational to me.

What is the "safe zone"?

It’s like the friendzone or the endzone, but for things that are “safe.”

I just mean that there are actions and directions that are more likely to get you noticed, examined, and discussed. There are arguments and targets that are likely to lead to pushback. I find that Town!Durga usually hops on, guns blazing, unafraid of the potential return fire. In this game, pushing Chippe late based on a rules violation and then parking a vote on Moscow for lurking feels pretty safe for you.

Why ya being all safezoney?

[teacon7]

So why did you just devote all that space to it?

See, if Chippe is town (and I think he likely is), the scum team want to keep him around as long as possible because he's going to take up attention from actual scumhunting. So it looks to me like what you just did is fan those flames and then say "oh, let's not!"

Well ignoring something doesn't make it go away. Primarily, I was making a textdoc dump of responses while I caught up. I was weighing in with a "Teacon also thinks this," which adds that bit of information to the game for the other players. I also addressed Chippe directly.

That said, there's been talk about a policy lynch on lurkers, or lurkers who have historically historically flown under the radar. What do you think of a policy lynch @fox?

[Durga]

@Tom, why do you think Durga is Town? She seems to be acting in a bit of a safe zone so far. The Moscow and Chippe votes feel safe and non-confrontational to me.

What is the "safe zone"?

It’s like the friendzone or the endzone, but for things that are “safe.”

I just mean that there are actions and directions that are more likely to get you noticed, examined, and discussed. There are arguments and targets that are likely to lead to pushback. I find that Town!Durga usually hops on, guns blazing, unafraid of the potential return fire. In this game, pushing Chippe late based on a rules violation and then parking a vote on Moscow for lurking feels pretty safe for you.

Why ya being all safezoney?

Where am I afraid of potential return fire? I've said and done what I've wanted- other than fight with ND which I am not doing for my own mental sanity. **You** can think theyr'e safe options but, hey, I don't play this game to satisfy your image of me :)

[teacon7]

@et - if you vote early, you can change your vote later on. If you had to vote in the next hour, who would you vote for and why?



@damo - looks like you're on the thread. Care to share some thoughts?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Where am I afraid of potential return fire? I've said and done what I've wanted- other than fight with ND which I am not doing for my own mental sanity. **You** can think theyr'e safe options but, hey, I don't play this game to satisfy your image of me :)

I’m not telling you how to play. I’m commenting on how you are playing, and I’m surprised Tom reads you as Town based on what we’ve seen so far.

[Durga]

Where am I afraid of potential return fire? I've said and done what I've wanted- other than fight with ND which I am not doing for my own mental sanity. **You** can think theyr'e safe options but, hey, I don't play this game to satisfy your image of me :)

I’m not telling you how to play. I’m commenting on how you are playing, and I’m surprised Tom reads you as Town based on what we’ve seen so far.

Fair. Carry on then

[Foxcastle]

So why did you just devote all that space to it?

See, if Chippe is town (and I think he likely is), the scum team want to keep him around as long as possible because he's going to take up attention from actual scumhunting. So it looks to me like what you just did is fan those flames and then say "oh, let's not!"

Well ignoring something doesn't make it go away. Primarily, I was making a textdoc dump of responses while I caught up. I was weighing in with a "Teacon also thinks this," which adds that bit of information to the game for the other players. I also addressed Chippe directly.

That said, there's been talk about a policy lynch on lurkers, or lurkers who have historically historically flown under the radar. What do you think of a policy lynch @fox?

You can just say Moscow Fleet. Maybe if you say Moscow Fleet out loud enough, Moscow Fleet will show up and play. Moscow Fleet.

I think policy lynching lurkers on Day 1 is a reasonable plan—since we're likely to hit town anyway (barring a scumslip or other obvscum, which does happen), why not clear out some chaff. And I think it's better on Day 1 than Days 2 or 3 when we should be more aggressively scumhunting (and when policy lynches are much more likely to be scum motivated or to benefit scum). But I also doubt that there's practical support for it in general, and Day 1 will be much more useful in hindsight if we just let things play out.

As for Moscow Fleet, I think that there are still 28 hours to go, and pressuring Moscow Fleet now is less useful than pressuring Moscow Fleet closer to EOD. If Moscow Fleet is scum, making Moscow Fleet show up now and be vague is less useful than making Moscow Fleet participate closer to EOD when Moscow Fleet has to make more calculated decisions. So I'm not going to pressure vote Moscow Fleet now. Moscow Fleet.

[Durga]

I genuinely just think we need to change our meta involving lurkers bc I'm still very salty about the last game.

[Foxcastle]

I genuinely just think we need to change our meta involving lurkers bc I'm still very salty about the last game.

This is a side debate, so we needn't get into here, but I'd be all for changing the rules so that a tie vote kills the lowest poster.

[Durga]

I genuinely just think we need to change our meta involving lurkers bc I'm still very salty about the last game.

This is a side debate, so we needn't get into here, but I'd be all for changing the rules so that a tie vote kills the lowest poster.

No I mean we need to show them that we're ok to lynch them

[Foxcastle]

I genuinely just think we need to change our meta involving lurkers bc I'm still very salty about the last game.

This is a side debate, so we needn't get into here, but I'd be all for changing the rules so that a tie vote kills the lowest poster.

No I mean we need to show them that we're ok to lynch them

Also a fine plan, but I doubt it happens.

[teacon7]

Agreed: we need to look at lurkers.
But to clarify: How AI is lurking in a game this big?
What counts as lurking in this context? EP has 17 posts but that's nothing compared to squigs' 77.
Moscow and bozo are at the bottom

@fox - You don't think there's something to any of the other discussions? There's not much to go on with lurkers.

@bozo - what do you think of a lurker policy? Would you lynch moscow with us?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Where is Flavius?

#craviusflavius

[Balki Bartokomous]

Agreed: we need to look at lurkers.
But to clarify: How AI is lurking in a game this big?
What counts as lurking in this context? EP has 17 posts but that's nothing compared to squigs' 77.
Moscow and bozo are at the bottom

@fox - You don't think there's something to any of the other discussions? There's not much to go on with lurkers.

@bozo - what do you think of a lurker policy? Would you lynch moscow with us?

Okay. Come on. These questions are soooooo smarmy!

#teaconissmarmy

Teacon is scum. Mark it down.

[connorcompton]

I may have misinterpreted...
I understood 'I hope you like reading' to mean in general, in this game, since I imagine I will have to do that a lot to keep up.

I guess I was curious about your use of the word "pretend." I'm understanding from this that you don't like reading in general, but that you're going to try to keep up in the thread. Is that right?

Very correct.

[Foxcastle]

@fox - You don't think there's something to any of the other discussions? There's not much to go on with lurkers.

I've commented on other discussions, so clearly I do. In fact, I was commenting on one of the other conversations (re: Chippe) in the hopes of beginning another conversation (re: you), and now you're trying to make it looks like I'm stuck on this lurker conversation.

So I don't like that.

Xorxes or ND or Durga (or whoever): is that similar to his play in the last game as town? (I know, it's ironic that I didn't read the game I ran... But I can see it being the cause of him getting so scumread that town lost...)

[et]

@et - if you vote early, you can change your vote later on. If you had to vote in the next hour, who would you vote for and why?



@damo - looks like you're on the thread. Care to share some thoughts?

If that is unchangeable vote, I will vote damo or Cru.
Because if we don't lynch player without comment, scums can hide very easily.
What they have to do is just keeping silence.

If changeable one, I will vote Nep. Because Nep seemed to catch up this thread, but not to be so active. So, I want to see reaction.
I thought boz, but I wonder boz react me. So, I think Nep is better.