M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

##vote durga

*sigh*

When you placed this vote on Durga, what did you think the vote was?

[e.m.c^42]

True, then the tunneling would be more on xorxes' side than yours xD

I'm willing to accept that extreme bussing is a possibility, since if I had either of your playstyle/meta's it would be something I'd seriously consider and try to do - sacrificing the other player(s) for the ability to be pretty much guaranteed unlynchable.

it is moderately above town vs town, and a little below scum vs town.

See, if any of scenarios occurred, there'd be not much surprise

But, I will say that with your level of activity/thought, it is somewhat tempting to slight townlean you.

[bozotheclown]

Not much. But ND is certain i'm scum. He's wrong but let him have his moment to cause a narriw townie lynch durg

ND is part of most ppl's town core. He's as good as anyone to work with right now.

Not when it causes a 3 wide lynch. Also sheeping nd is not usually a good strategy.

Dammit guys. I was supposed to be the day 2 mislynch. You could've had another day of durga doing analysis instead of...whatever I'm doing (i assume i'm gonna be a major or counterwagon tomorrow though i missed a few votes near EoD that people seem to be talking about).

Vashta posted 10 times D2, 5 were in the last 30 minutes after ND vote made him a legitimate wagon, where he tried to discredit ND's vote. Then, after the flip, he claims he would have preferred being lynched over Durga. This is very inconsistent.

##VOTE VashtaNeurotic

[e.m.c^42]

Annd, there isn't much of an option except for voting Durga atm, since teacon/vashta would tie.

I don't feel like the main argument on her being scum due to eod actions is really all that legit tho.

Durga was still voting for teacon, wasn't it obvious that if you voted for Vashta, Durga would have voted for him to break the tie?

Unfortunately, at that time, no not really. I've been having exams all through this week (finally finished today!), and you'd be surprised at how braindead I get :P
(there was probably also a rather visceral reaction against voting to tie)

[e.m.c^42]

And how about you surprise us all and vote early today? That might spark some conversation.

I believe this may be actually impossible.

Which part, you voting early or sparking conversation?

Voting early, ofc.

Am I not talking with you currently? :D

[e.m.c^42]

##vote durga

*sigh*

When you placed this vote on Durga, what did you think the vote was?

4 v 3 v 3

into 5 v 3 v 3, in case anyone moved - but you posted a few seconds earlier than me for the same reason lol.

[e.m.c^42]

It probably wasn't that actually though lol

[teacon7]

Okay this is actually more of a curiosity question, but...

emc, why do you vote so late?

[e.m.c^42]

Okay this is actually more of a curiosity question, but...

emc, why do you vote so late?

There somewhat regrettably exist problems with indecisiveness IRL that extend into the game.

Also, last time was too late even for me, usually I try to decide around 10-15 mins beforehand, but I was still reading at phase shift lol

[FlaviusAetius]

teacon will flip scum, and no one should be going for xorxes.
Anyone who even dares to suggest to lynch them both is not acting with good intentions.
There is not a single possibility in this world in which they are BOTH scum.
I just won't believe it.

Teacon is mafia, I've stated my reasons.
Bozo, it was agreed upon that we would have a fight between xorxes and teacon today.
Why are you bringing up another wagon???
Muddies waters
Brings up another wagon.

@xorxes you put me on the spot to see who else I thought was a scum, right now emc and bozo are looking the suspicious

[FlaviusAetius]

Emc we arent playing those shenanigans this time around.
You are voting right now.

[bozotheclown]

Vash is busy being confused by this day. Like, can someone lay out the teacon case for me as the one on Durga is very well...simple. EoD looks bad, was always on ND, etc.... Meanwhile the teacon on relies on believing he would set it up so he'd have to vote damo over ND in a game where the most important thing for scum is to just avoid getting lynched (since town only has 3 mislynches and there are only 3 mafia). But I'm not sure what the rest of the evidence is because I am mostly skimming posts and trying to absorb all the content from them (as it becomes more an more dense).

I have played several games with Vashta, and I think he was town in all of those games. From what I remember, he was never a high poster, but always put effort into trying to solve the game, and was often on the right track. Here he is saying he is confused, asking other players to explain things to him, and claiming he is not reading most of the posts. This is inconsistent with anything I remember about Vashta as town.

[bozotheclown]

teacon will flip scum, and no one should be going for xorxes.
Anyone who even dares to suggest to lynch them both is not acting with good intentions.
There is not a single possibility in this world in which they are BOTH scum.
I just won't believe it.

Teacon is mafia, I've stated my reasons.
Bozo, it was agreed upon that we would have a fight between xorxes and teacon today.
Why are you bringing up another wagon???
Muddies waters
Brings up another wagon.

@xorxes you put me on the spot to see who else I thought was a scum, right now emc and bozo are looking the suspicious

I do not think the majority of players agreed to xorxes and teacon. I did say I thought it was a good idea at EOD, but I changed my mind.

[FlaviusAetius]

Why Vashta over teacon though?

[bozotheclown]

##vote durga

*sigh*

When you placed this vote on Durga, what did you think the vote was?

4 v 3 v 3

into 5 v 3 v 3, in case anyone moved - but you posted a few seconds earlier than me for the same reason lol.

Durga had switched her vote to make it 4-4-2. I think you, me, and Flavius voted very close together, but Flavius and I voted before you, so it was actually 5-4-1 by the time you voted. This means you were three votes behind when making your decision, so that is a good reason not to wait until the last minute in the day to vote.

[bozotheclown]

Why Vashta over teacon though?

Vashta is my top suspect. I am still uncertain about xorxes and teacon.

[xorxes]

okay i cant play with my fate anymore. someone needs to break the tie

##vote vashta

Not gonna happen today. Might as well go for Vashta unless you want Durga dead.

I don¿t care between Vash and Durga, neither is likely to be scum.

@xorxes: When Durga finally switched her vote to Vashta with 2 minutes or less until EOD to tie the vote at 4-4, you posted right after her saying you did not have a preference between Durga and Vashta. Were you concerned about a tie at that point?

No, I was disappointed we were lynching someone I was pretty sure would flip town (either one of them). I had not seen Durga's post when I posted that, and I did not see her appeal to me either in time to do anything. I'm not good at keeping track of fast moving EODs.

Even if I had been able to follow what was going on though, and had time to think about it, and even though I believed Durga deserved to live more than Vashta, just because she was more invested in the game, I would not have tried to save her, simply because if Vashta had been killed instead of her, today would have been about how scum xorxes saved her scum partner Durga at EOD instead of xorxes vs teacon as it should be. (Same if I had voted for Durga to prevent a tie, I would have been saving scum partner Vashta in teacon's new story, so no point in me getting involved).

What happens after we lynch town Vashta, bozo? Because you are probably the one deciding today's lynch.

I will do some projective analysis later, but I think it's better if we mislynch me today over any other mislynch.

[ND]

I am going to ##VOTE Vashta as well. This should have happened yesterday. I do have some stuff to catch up on. But, Vashta is more clear cut then the whole xorxes/teacon mess.

[bozotheclown]

okay i cant play with my fate anymore. someone needs to break the tie

##vote vashta

I don¿t care between Vash and Durga, neither is likely to be scum.

@xorxes: When Durga finally switched her vote to Vashta with 2 minutes or less until EOD to tie the vote at 4-4, you posted right after her saying you did not have a preference between Durga and Vashta. Were you concerned about a tie at that point?

No, I was disappointed we were lynching someone I was pretty sure would flip town (either one of them). I had not seen Durga's post when I posted that, and I did not see her appeal to me either in time to do anything. I'm not good at keeping track of fast moving EODs.

Even if I had been able to follow what was going on though, and had time to think about it, and even though I believed Durga deserved to live more than Vashta, just because she was more invested in the game, I would not have tried to save her, simply because if Vashta had been killed instead of her, today would have been about how scum xorxes saved her scum partner Durga at EOD instead of xorxes vs teacon as it should be. (Same if I had voted for Durga to prevent a tie, I would have been saving scum partner Vashta in teacon's new story, so no point in me getting involved).

What happens after we lynch town Vashta, bozo? Because you are probably the one deciding today's lynch.

I will do some projective analysis later, but I think it's better if we mislynch me today over any other mislynch.

If Vashta flips town, I think everyone should decide between you and teacon D4. If Vashta flips scum, maybe everyone will reevaluate.

Are you still sure Vashta is town after his reaction to the D2 flip?

[xorxes]

Vash is busy being confused by this day. Like, can someone lay out the teacon case for me as the one on Durga is very well...simple. EoD looks bad, was always on ND, etc.... Meanwhile the teacon on relies on believing he would set it up so he'd have to vote damo over ND in a game where the most important thing for scum is to just avoid getting lynched (since town only has 3 mislynches and there are only 3 mafia). But I'm not sure what the rest of the evidence is because I am mostly skimming posts and trying to absorb all the content from them (as it becomes more an more dense).

I have played several games with Vashta, and I think he was town in all of those games. From what I remember, he was never a high poster, but always put effort into trying to solve the game, and was often on the right track. Here he is saying he is confused, asking other players to explain things to him, and claiming he is not reading most of the posts. This is inconsistent with anything I remember about Vashta as town.

Can you point me to some game where Vashta put any effort early?

I don't really have a clear idea of how he plays, I only remember ghug saying how much he sucks, be he says that about a lot of people so I don't know how much weight we can put into it.

I will reread Vashta. I think he's been playing anti-town, but I haven't seen anything especially scummy from him other than lurking which is unfortunately not that AI around here.