M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

[ND]

Big Truth right there RD, big truth, I'll post some brilliance all over this thread soon.

I am Sensei

[ND]

Quick sidenote, what motivates these losers to post some rambling PSA about how busy they are when they know the sign up date and say they play the game. Wtf? Am, I rite or what?

[Percy Williams]

For the playstyles worth lynching, see my response to rdr around page 10-15 (sorry I can't check easily - I'm on mobile now). Tl;dr: players who are not being useful are worth lynching over players who are not.

Quoting this for the "unreasonable methods" bit. This is kind of what I was getting at on post #491. We don't have a lot to go on D1, so we have to rely on perceived usefulness of playstyles and such.

/Totally a scum indicative statement well the last bit about Lynch play style. He doesnt care about content or analysis of anything just appearance and another example of someone who made up their mind uses no deduction and doesn't give af about the game/.

And I am answering that I think we can't know beforehand which flip will provide best info. The most info is A) lynching a scum, then B)lynching someone that can give info about others alignments. I fail to see how we can know who can be the best B choice at D1, so we have to focus on A.

It seems like these quotes address the common theme of policy lynches. whether you're policy lynching a lurker, or policy-lynching a useless player, it's still a policy lynch.
-rdriv points out that we should be finding scum rather than info lynches. I agree. I asked about info lynches b/c I wanted to know who we think is/isn't providing info.
-ND points out that calling for {policy lynch based on useless playstyle} is scummy. Agree.
-I think lurking is NAI, but low investment posting *is* alignment indicative, because it's an attempt to "stay off the radar" by participation but no commitment. hedging is another way to try to stay off the radar. In my read so far, the former describes percy pretty well, the latter describes emc and damo.

+1 (in fact +100)

There are moments a policy lynch could be necessary, but not usually D1.

And I agree with Percy, Damo and Emc being low effort/hedgy. I just tend to not push EMC so hard because it's his style.

A question, why Vashta isn't on the same list of Percy?

When have I ever been a high poster?

[Percy Williams]

There's never anyone on when I am, and there isn't any legitimate questions to me to respond to, I already said my reads, and they haven't really changed...

The only things on me right now are people annoyed I don't devote my life to Webdip Mafia. I have two times in a 24 hour period set apart to check the mafia thread, and the current end phase time will never be in those set apart times.

[Percy Williams]

And @teacon, with your comment on school being forced, obviously people choose to play Webdip Mafia, but they cannot choose between Scum and town. Ergo happiness is maximized when there is no preference between the two, as there really isn't anything one can do to get either role.

[Vaporwave]

why is it noteworthy, xorxes? I couldn't care less if damo mentioned me or not, it's no like I'm always talking about all people all the time

everything will be more clear D3

[Vaporwave]

haven't looked at each person individually, but I looked back on pages that I missed

this is where I currently stand

Townfolk:
bozo
Durga
Espresso
ND
rivera
xorxes

Less townie but still town imo
e.m.c

Not sure anymore:
Percival
Vashta

evil resides here:
Moscow
teacon

C: last 2 scum in 'not sure' and evil categ., but I'm really confident in a 1 scum guarantee in Mosc/tea

[rdrivera2005]

At this point I have a town core of: Bozo, Xorxes and ND.

I have a townread on Teacon and emc.

I think one of EP, Durga and Vashta must be scum but now more then one (hardly see all scum pile on ND).

And the other scum must be between Percy, Moscow and Vapor.

[Foxcastle]

##GM NOTE: Just over 9.5 hours remain in Night 1! If you wish to use your orders, please make sure to get them in.

[bozotheclown]

# of damo's posts in response to people:

Vapor: 4
teacon: 4
bozo: 2
xorxes: 2
emc: 1
everyone else: 0

If I'm right about teacon, I wouldn't be surprized if the other one is Vapor or bozo.

This sounds like what I was doing last game to try to make some town members look suspicious, but with a much smaller sample size. I find it hard to believe that you would really think has any use in identifying scum.

[xorxes]

What did you learn from the last game that you'd like to apply here?

to listen more to my own instinct and look twice over people's posts because first impressions can be wrong

Sounds good to me. re-reads are important, gut reactions are good starters, but it's worth being aware of our own biases. fwiw, another insight I had from the last game was: tunneling is bad town play. It isn't really alignment indicative, because poor town play =/= scum.

It was strange watching a basically pure vanilla game. I wonder how different the dynamics are here with 1-off cop/doc/hooker. I bet scum tries to draw a scan onto their godfather.

Anyway, do you want to join me in lynching ND?

@teacon, how do you think scum would try to draw a scan onto their godfather?

[xorxes]

# of damo's posts in response to people:

Vapor: 4
teacon: 4
bozo: 2
xorxes: 2
emc: 1
everyone else: 0

If I'm right about teacon, I wouldn't be surprized if the other one is Vapor or bozo.

This sounds like what I was doing last game to try to make some town members look suspicious, but with a much smaller sample size. I find it hard to believe that you would really think has any use in identifying scum.

I was hoping someone other than you would notice...

But, when you iso damo, it's really striking how few people he interacted with. Damo plays a very shy scum, so I really would not be surprized if he limited his interactions to his teammates.

[bozotheclown]

Scum!xorxes, last game:


damo, this game:


I'm really surprised that nobody else is at all bothered by this.

I can't see it as mere coincidence. I can come up perhaps with an innocent explanation but it's certainly not the one damo gave, that "we think alike".

If we lynch anyone other than damo today I don't understand what you all are thinking.

I have a dentist appointment in half an hour and may or may not be back for EOD.

Damo is the second wagon now, so I would not say that "nobody else bothered".

Ah, it was this. It wasn't so terrible, but still.

You and bozo were voting for damo before I presented my case, so it was not because what I pointed out bothered you.

And in fact, after I presented it, neither one of you seemed to care much.

That is because a read that was similar to something you said in another game was far from the most suspicious thing from damo D1. You ignored my comments about damo's contradictory yet confident scum read of ND and the weak reasons he gave for scum reading you and rdrivera, but jumped on him for the wording of this one read. As I pointed out, that was not even the most suspicious thing from that damo post, all of his reads were vague and he backed off on his scum reads of you and rdrivera.

[xorxes]

Not liking xorxes style at the moment.

Rdr also seems unsure of himself.

Maybe I've got ot already.

ND xorxes rdrivera.

@damo - your reads were excellent last game. You said you'd like to be more vocal. So... You've got more text here - about 200% more text iirc. great start. Please be like... 1,000,000% more verbose about your reads.

teacon seems to have studied last game very carefully. I said last game I never saw scum coach other scum openly in the thread. teacon here (and I think elsewhere) coaches damo openly in the thread.

[xorxes]

Damo is the second wagon now, so I would not say that "nobody else bothered".

Ah, it was this. It wasn't so terrible, but still.

You and bozo were voting for damo before I presented my case, so it was not because what I pointed out bothered you.

And in fact, after I presented it, neither one of you seemed to care much.

That is because a read that was similar to something you said in another game was far from the most suspicious thing from damo D1. You ignored my comments about damo's contradictory yet confident scum read of ND and the weak reasons he gave for scum reading you and rdrivera, but jumped on him for the wording of this one read. As I pointed out, that was not even the most suspicious thing from that damo post, all of his reads were vague and he backed off on his scum reads of you and rdrivera.

Yeah, I wasn't paying much attention to damo at all until I saw that read. I had him in my mind as weak townlean because he had said something somewhat sensible about my early read of emc.

[ND]

Not liking xorxes style at the moment.

Rdr also seems unsure of himself.

Maybe I've got ot already.

ND xorxes rdrivera.

@damo - your reads were excellent last game. You said you'd like to be more vocal. So... You've got more text here - about 200% more text iirc. great start. Please be like... 1,000,000% more verbose about your reads.

teacon seems to have studied last game very carefully. I said last game I never saw scum coach other scum openly in the thread. teacon here (and I think elsewhere) coaches damo openly in the thread.

You really think Teacon was coaching Damo? I saw Teacon more as a discussion driver but you think he was openly coaching him?

[bozotheclown]

ND likes to change styles from game to game but when he's like this he's scum.

##vote ND

I also find xorxes coming to conclusions so early a tad suss. Could this be a scum xorxes trying to mislead town?

Vote remains on ND for timebeing.

ND has not improved one iota.

Hence vote remains. Suggest you join me twonsfolk. This could be over very quickly.

Not liking xorxes style at the moment.

Rdr also seems unsure of himself.

Maybe I've got ot already.

ND xorxes rdrivera.

I think this sequence is interesting. damo was committed to targeting ND, but still goes after xorxes early. He was either antagonizing a town xorxes for no obvious reason, or doing some early bussing assuming xorxes would eventually get lynched for surviving the NKs.

[bozotheclown]

So why would xorxes suddenly start bussing damo, the GF, and help get him lynched? Maybe he felt damo was being suspicious enough that damo would get lynched soon anyway. Maybe Percy Williams is scum also, and with both of his teammates already getting pressure, he thought he had to make a bold move for scum to have a chance. Maybe he didn't, but we should not assume xorxes is town for "catching" damo.

[xorxes]

I feel oddly buddied by rd.

Teacon, you go from asking others to join you on ND, to moving off of him yourself. How exactly do you currently read ND?

Great question moscow.
I didn't vote ND for ND's sake. I got a scum vibe on emc from an earlier interaction, and wanted to see emc's reaction to a growing wagon on ND, precisely because emc made a point of saying, early on, that he wouldn't vote ND. (in this scenario, emc is maybe scum with godfather!ND.)

For ND proper - he's goofing around, maybe a really towny reaction test, maybe ballsy godfather play to try to draw a copscan, maybe he actually is high. Or he's unbanned!krellin with a name change. Dunno. Given his tone rn we'll probably end up lynching him to find out what he's doing, though I hope we don't D1 him. But other than spammy *noise* from him, I've not actually seen a whole lot of scum *signal.* Not a strict nullread but a wash of plusses and minuses. washread.

I think this makes Moscow-teacon an unlikely pair.

teacon explains here that his push on ND (who was at the time a leading lynch candidate) was not really based on him scumreading ND, but it was more to see how others reacted. This post (and others) will make it very difficult for teacon to vote for ND when it was 4-4 with damo and he had to break the tie.

[xorxes]

@damo - your reads were excellent last game. You said you'd like to be more vocal. So... You've got more text here - about 200% more text iirc. great start. Please be like... 1,000,000% more verbose about your reads.

teacon seems to have studied last game very carefully. I said last game I never saw scum coach other scum openly in the thread. teacon here (and I think elsewhere) coaches damo openly in the thread.

You really think Teacon was coaching Damo? I saw Teacon more as a discussion driver but you think he was openly coaching him?

Possibly, yes.