MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[worcej]

You still didnt answer the question worcej
You called jamie leading the townspeople is him being a mafia
then you said his lack of leading the townspeople is being a mafia

This is a good point. Worcej never answered why he directly contradicted himself.

YES I HAVE!

[Jamiet99uk]

You still didnt answer the question worcej
You called jamie leading the townspeople is him being a mafia
then you said his lack of leading the townspeople is being a mafia
I then point out you are leading the townspeople, how does the same not apply??
You ignore ignore and ignore...

HE IS WOLFING! I HAVE SAID THAT NUMEROUS TIMES!!!! HE IS 'LEADING' BY PROMOTING MISLYNCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM NOT TRYING TO MISLYNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM NOT IGNORING YOUR QUESTION, YOU'RE JUST NOT LISTENING TO WHAT I AM SAYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No, you said I was leading, and was thus scum. Then you said I'm not trying to lead today, and am thus scum.

You directly contradicted yourself.

[worcej]

Jamie's first read when he entered the game:

I have read up to page 10, and to that point, I see one or perhaps two people softing or crumbing Doc. I also see one person, who should know better, apparently PR fishing, *cough* Bozotheclown. I see Moscow perhaps townslipping, or perhaps faking a townslip. Xorxes looks town.

I think lynching lurkers in this set up is a good idea. So far my slot has been king lurker, but that's gonna change.

I don't like Durga claiming that she is going to be drunk all week. This smells fake. She's currently TD for a major ongoing tournament, and has been replying promptly to messages and PMs about the tourney. I think she's relying on the fact that she's a frequent lurker, and anchoring. #2 scumread currently.

Alternate scumteam is Flav and Darg.

Interesting nobody responded to Ezio's item claim.

I am enjoying the amount of flavour. Only a minority of GMs (in which I include myself) take the time to put real work into the flavour, and I'm glad to see it here.

Not much, let's continue:

I have to sleep now.

My scumreads are Vecna, Durga, and possibly Flav.

Don't kill me scum. Ok thanks bye.

Continuing on... here is a REALLY SCUMMY POST ON D2 before Neph flipped:

If Vapour is lying, the real Doc should probably Cc him and we hook a scum right here.

Let's keep going:

I now prefer Claesar over Netphys over Dargorygel over Worcej over Rdrivera over Damo.

Claesar? Where are you?

Here, let's see when Jamie town'ed me:

Ok let's talk about Worcej.

Yeah Worcej has spent time defending himself. That's because he's a lead wagon, he doesn't want to be lynched, and the case on him is poorly constructed from the flim-flam of D1 meta.

Flava-Flave, now I want to hear about why you're not addressing Claesar. Is he just to be allowed to hide all day and post only about GoT?

Mention anything about the softing? No, because it didn't happen yet. Continuing on, now after my 'soft':

Lynch order should now be

Worcej -> yav -> Jamie

Jamie has gone too strongly in to defend Worcej that it only works as him being scum if we've got the team nailed.

I'm criticising the wagon on Worcej because there is no case on Worcej.

You aren't qualified to make cases because you're a proven liar.

Damo was the other big Worcej pusher and now he's voting you with me.

Is Damo bussing you Neph?

Here is the first Jamie scum of me, after D2. IS IT WEIRD THAT HE NEVER PUSHED ME UNTIL NOW?!

I cannot fathom the one town PR behaving like that.

I thought Worcej was Doctor because he softclaimed rather blatantly. I suppose Worcej is scum then.

Fucking hell.

Here is the next read on N2 from Jamie:

Some take homes from EoD2:

Durga was really anxious to prevent a tie. Her behaviour at EoD looks like town Durga to me. She's been absent too much and I hope she ups her game but she's now a townlean for me.

Brainbomb attempted to cause a last second draw. Seeing how others react to a draw with a few minutes to go is a valid strategy. Hell, it's one I've used. It's why I front move my vote when Durga shouted at me right there - I wanted to see if Durga would move her own to prevent a tie, and she did. But Brainbomb was so late, it appears he actually wanted no lynch. He even said so. That's super scummy.

If Worcej is scum and was bussing Darg, that was a good performance. But I can't rule it out.

I'm inclined to propose Worcej vs Darg vs Brainbomb tomorrow.

I'll keep going in my next post.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sure Worcej keep tunnelling me. It's working so well.

[worcej]

Now we're into his ISOs, remember they were the following:
Bozo = town
Claesar = scum
Dargorygel = town
Moscowfleet = scumlean
Rdr​ivera2005 = scum
X​orx​es = scum
Fla​vius = scumlean

He never Iso'ed me, and I am a scum read for him, nor did he iso damo or yav for some reason.

He added this during his massive reads, while also flipping @ brainbomb and lynching him:

My lynch preference is:

1. Brainbomb or Claesar (most scummy)
2. Xorxes or Worcej (most informative lynches)
3. Rdrivera
4. Damo666

Now we move to Cleasar, which he pushed over and over until he was lynched last day.

Do you not see that he has been steadily working down a set list? BB, Xorxes, Claesar, and now me. Notice how the NKs have been off this list? It sets up a great story - that he's been scum reading me for awhile and now I just HAVE to go at LyLo because I am his best scum read!

[worcej]

Sure Worcej keep tunnelling me. It's working so well.

Only because there is some town player (or 2) not able to pull their heads out of there asses.

[worcej]

Sure Worcej keep tunnelling me. It's working so well.

It isn't really tunneling, you're the most OBVIOUS scum person here.

You fished for a doctor CC on D2.
You have pushed multiple wagons that turned out to be town.
You have been thoroughly sticking to a script of reads and actions which the NKs are avoiding intentionally.

What more do I need to point out?!

[worcej]

Thank god I am GM'ing the next game, because I'm going to need a break after trying so fucking hard to get my town team to wake the fuck up.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sure Worcej keep tunnelling me. It's working so well.

Only because there is some town player (or 2) not able to pull their heads out of there asses.

*their

[Jamiet99uk]

Tell me again which scum you have been instrumental in catching, this game, Worcej?

[worcej]

Sure Worcej keep tunnelling me. It's working so well.

Only because there is some town player (or 2) not able to pull their heads out of there asses.

*their

I type in American.

[worcej]

Tell me again which scum you have been instrumental in catching, this game, Worcej?

None, because we NEVER ACTUALLY CAUGHT ONE LEGITIMATELY AT ALL!

If the angle you're about to shoot is that you caught Xorxes, that's a fucking joke. Let me remind you of this post:

Lynch Claesar or Netphtyhs. That's my feeling. Right now I'd be willing to gladiator Neph but I refuse to give Claesar a free pass.

You'd lose buddy.

@Flav, if it helps Jamie has the lowest "score" of all mafia players in this site so take what he says with half a grain of salt.

Well I'm pretty sure that's also a lie. I've won most of my recent games. The last two full sized games I remember playing in, I was instrumental to victory. In the last big game I caught scum Worcej, lynched scum Xorxes, and had the final say in lynching scum Ghug for the win. Not long before that I bussed my scumbuddy Xorxes so hard it helped scum win that game. I'm pretty hot this year.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sure Worcej keep tunnelling me. It's working so well.

It isn't really tunneling, you're the most OBVIOUS scum person here.

1. You fished for a doctor CC on D2.
2. You have pushed multiple wagons that turned out to be town.
3. You have been thoroughly sticking to a script of reads and actions which the NKs are avoiding intentionally.

What more do I need to point out?!

1. This was at a time when Vapour had hard claimed Doc. Perhaps my proposed exchange was wrong, but there we go.
2. The people I pushed were behaving in an anti town way. Sorry.
3. This is false. I have no control over the NK.

I am town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Only because there is some town player (or 2) not able to pull their heads out of there asses.

*their

I type in American.

It's "their" in America too, dumdum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Tell me again which scum you have been instrumental in catching, this game, Worcej?

None, because we NEVER ACTUALLY CAUGHT ONE LEGITIMATELY AT ALL!

How is that only my fault, and not yours?

[Jamiet99uk]

*How is that only my fault and not yours?

[worcej]

*their

I type in American.

It's "their" in America too, dumdum.

Dude, if you want to start a 'let's try to be smart ass and correct people for typos', I'm all for it - I'll just strike lower.

If you think you hate ND, you'll start hating me a LOT more. If you haven't noticed, I am a fucking asshole.

[worcej]

*How is that only my fault and not yours?

Never said it wasn't, why are you trying to imply I am?

[worcej]

Also, why are you deflecting from the fact I beat you to your counter point regarding Xorxes?

[worcej]

And do you not deny that you were fishing for a CC of the doctor? Kinda interesting when you opened with this:

I have read up to page 10, and to that point, I see one or perhaps two people softing or crumbing Doc. I also see one person, who should know better, apparently PR fishing, *cough* Bozotheclown. I see Moscow perhaps townslipping, or perhaps faking a townslip. Xorxes looks town.

I think lynching lurkers in this set up is a good idea. So far my slot has been king lurker, but that's gonna change.

I don't like Durga claiming that she is going to be drunk all week. This smells fake. She's currently TD for a major ongoing tournament, and has been replying promptly to messages and PMs about the tourney. I think she's relying on the fact that she's a frequent lurker, and anchoring. #2 scumread currently.

Alternate scumteam is Flav and Darg.

Interesting nobody responded to Ezio's item claim.

I am enjoying the amount of flavour. Only a minority of GMs (in which I include myself) take the time to put real work into the flavour, and I'm glad to see it here.

And then this:

If Vapour is lying, the real Doc should probably Cc him and we hook a scum right here.