MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[worcej]

Looking at D2, there was a lot of movement among Nephthys, dargorygel, and worcej, so I think it is unlikely all of the wagons were town. This is in addition to the other reasons I suspect worcej:
1. his overreaction to being the top wagon early D2. I regularly react when I am pushed. The only 'over' I would say is my snap @ Damo, but that has been a long frustration of mine. Neph and Darg did push shit cases and have since learned that they were ultimately wrong.
2. xorxes responding to only one of worcej's posts despite worcej being one of the top posters. I've established and presented that your push of that observation is horseshit. Also, my posting on D2 was almost entirely spew at Damo/Darg/Neph, why would he enter it as scum? Your theory is pretty bad bro.
3. worcej suggesting xorxes was scum on D3 for surviving the NKs but voting for brainbomb at a critical time to get brainbomb lynched over xorxes Critical time? I voted for BB with 7:10 left in D3. There was plenty of time to go with a different case. Was it critical because I was the last meaningful vote because the rest were stupid movements?

I believe Vaporwave is also scum, on D3 he voted for brainbomb when the vote was tied between brainbomb and xorxes, but at EOD, when brainbomb was up by 4 votes, he changed his vote to worcej while implying he was sure brainbomb was town by saying something about it being game throwing to vote for him. If he had voted for xorxes he could have made the vote close again between brainbomb and xorxes, but instead he placed a second vote on worcej. This was the only time he vote for worcej, he did not vote for worcej on D2 or D5 when worcej was at risk of getting lynched.

##VOTE worcej

Shit, maybe I am wrong on my 3, but I did say I was less sure of Damo. So far Flavius and bozo are defending Jaime. Not that it matters because we can't get a mislynch (conveniently setup by scum wolf Jamie) to confirm any ~~connections~~ anymore.

See some responses above in your quote.

Once again, for everyone to hear me again: I. AM. TOWN.

[Vaporwave]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

[worcej]

##VOTE Jamiet

worcej is fucking town, you bunch of boobheads

Why are you only sure worcej is town when he is at risk of getting lynched?

If I was scum, like you think I am, I wouldn't give two FUCKS if I got lynched today. This game would've been in the fucking bag since the Neph lynch because of the absolute shit game town has played so far.

More counters to your poor case bozo:

1. If I was scum, I would've advocated to my team to kill a town Jamie (see I can spell it right if I want ) awhile ago, most likely on N4, and left the town without anyone actively trying - look at the pool of us now along with MF, Claesar, and Darg. There isn't a single town leader in that bunch! Jaime also would've died well before MF or Darg based on participation alone, regardless of his inaccuracy this game. Those two were not leading a town - Darg just tunneled people and scum read several towns while MF was a non-factor in the game anyways.
2. Remember the time you won with rdr bozo? Don't you remember me ridiculously trying to get the town to listen to me? We're in the same spot, only this time I have more town people to scream at to pay attention. The only chance town has is to rally behind someone who is actually fucking trying!!!
3. All your scumvibes on me are about reactions and distances to xorxes and my D2 spew, which is ridiculous considering the lack of information that was available on D2 and the theory that it's dumb to try to defend yourself and maintain your life if you're town. There was only one PR to protect to save my team's ass to take the fall for and unfortunately he was a fucking idiot to draw attention to himself with poorly constructed cases. And let's not forget, one of the daggers put into Neph's back was from you, who could've easily also pushed a different wagon, such as myself or darg!
4. Your dumb concerns about scum/scum busing right now is out of place because the remaining scum team has YET to ever be on the hot seat once this game. If I was scum with Jamie, why the fuck would I try to get him voted for when he has successfully led the town to massacre itself all game long?!
5. Not that anyone believes me, but the ONLY reason I am still alive is because there has been enough previous scum vibes associated with me and I am the easiest mislynch to setup right now.

[worcej]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

Like honestly, I appreciate that comment because I try to be honorable.

My flip-out at damo is over 7+ games of watching frustratingly annoying play when he is on my team. It is great when he isn't though, because I can bus him or push a mislynch on him easier than anyone else.

[bozotheclown]

bye bozo, you've been part of too many townie wagons

##VOTE bozotheclown

It is interesting that you voted for me right after I questioned you about your D3 voting, it seems like you wanted to vote for me before I had the chance to vote for you.

I have ended on the top wagon every day, and while I agree 1 out of 5 is terrible, I am sure the scum avoided ending on wagons that flipped town whenever possible.

How many town wagons have you been part of?

You never answered my question, but my point was that you should not know whether you ended on as many town wagons as I have. If you are sure that worcej is town, you should believe that you also ended on 4 town wagons.

[bozotheclown]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

So you think worcej and damo are both town, so it is OK for worcej to try to humiliate damo, but it would not be OK if they were both scum?

[Vaporwave]

bye bozo, you've been part of too many townie wagons

##VOTE bozotheclown

It is interesting that you voted for me right after I questioned you about your D3 voting, it seems like you wanted to vote for me before I had the chance to vote for you.

I have ended on the top wagon every day, and while I agree 1 out of 5 is terrible, I am sure the scum avoided ending on wagons that flipped town whenever possible.

How many town wagons have you been part of?

You never answered my question, but my point was that you should not know whether you ended on as many town wagons as I have. If you are sure that worcej is town, you should believe that you also ended on 4 town wagons.

let me verify....

[Vaporwave]

yeah, so it seems ,but there's a difference, bozo

I'm known to be unable to spot scum, my main forte is having a towncore that's accurate, I've been tricked by scum constantly

However, you, bozo have a fine nose that is more than capable of smelling a real scum, you've done so in past games

Why would your hunting senses come to a sudden halt?

[Vaporwave]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

So you think worcej and damo are both town, so it is OK for worcej to try to humiliate damo, but it would not be OK if they were both scum?

No, I understand worcej's outburst if he's town, doesn't mean I approve of his method, but it's believable that he experienced a rageful moment.

However, as scum, for both of them to do this, is a bit too much and drastic. It reeks of weakness and desperation. As much as scum wants to win, I think they would have preferred a less personal attack

[bozotheclown]

Looking at D2, there was a lot of movement among Nephthys, dargorygel, and worcej, so I think it is unlikely all of the wagons were town. This is in addition to the other reasons I suspect worcej:
1. his overreaction to being the top wagon early D2. I regularly react when I am pushed. The only 'over' I would say is my snap @ Damo, but that has been a long frustration of mine. Neph and Darg did push shit cases and have since learned that they were ultimately wrong.
2. xorxes responding to only one of worcej's posts despite worcej being one of the top posters. I've established and presented that your push of that observation is horseshit. Also, my posting on D2 was almost entirely spew at Damo/Darg/Neph, why would he enter it as scum? Your theory is pretty bad bro.
3. worcej suggesting xorxes was scum on D3 for surviving the NKs but voting for brainbomb at a critical time to get brainbomb lynched over xorxes Critical time? I voted for BB with 7:10 left in D3. There was plenty of time to go with a different case. Was it critical because I was the last meaningful vote because the rest were stupid movements?

I believe Vaporwave is also scum, on D3 he voted for brainbomb when the vote was tied between brainbomb and xorxes, but at EOD, when brainbomb was up by 4 votes, he changed his vote to worcej while implying he was sure brainbomb was town by saying something about it being game throwing to vote for him. If he had voted for xorxes he could have made the vote close again between brainbomb and xorxes, but instead he placed a second vote on worcej. This was the only time he vote for worcej, he did not vote for worcej on D2 or D5 when worcej was at risk of getting lynched.

##VOTE worcej

Shit, maybe I am wrong on my 3, but I did say I was less sure of Damo. So far Flavius and bozo are defending Jaime. Not that it matters because we can't get a mislynch (conveniently setup by scum wolf Jamie) to confirm any ~~connections~~ anymore.

See some responses above in your quote.

Once again, for everyone to hear me again: I. AM. TOWN.

1. I have never seen you react that strongly as town, and I have seen you get scum read as town a lot.

2. In the game you cited, M1005, Jamie was bussing xorxes, and xorxes barely responded to Nephthys until after Nephthys was killed.

3. It was critical because you were one of the last players to vote for either xorxes or brainbomb, it put brainbomb up by 2 votes, and brainbomb was the top wagon for the rest of the day.

I also forgot to mention your "screams PR" post where it looked like you were setting up a fake doctor claim D2.

[worcej]

Looking at D2, there was a lot of movement among Nephthys, dargorygel, and worcej, so I think it is unlikely all of the wagons were town. This is in addition to the other reasons I suspect worcej:
1. his overreaction to being the top wagon early D2. I regularly react when I am pushed. The only 'over' I would say is my snap @ Damo, but that has been a long frustration of mine. Neph and Darg did push shit cases and have since learned that they were ultimately wrong.
2. xorxes responding to only one of worcej's posts despite worcej being one of the top posters. I've established and presented that your push of that observation is horseshit. Also, my posting on D2 was almost entirely spew at Damo/Darg/Neph, why would he enter it as scum? Your theory is pretty bad bro.
3. worcej suggesting xorxes was scum on D3 for surviving the NKs but voting for brainbomb at a critical time to get brainbomb lynched over xorxes Critical time? I voted for BB with 7:10 left in D3. There was plenty of time to go with a different case. Was it critical because I was the last meaningful vote because the rest were stupid movements?

I believe Vaporwave is also scum, on D3 he voted for brainbomb when the vote was tied between brainbomb and xorxes, but at EOD, when brainbomb was up by 4 votes, he changed his vote to worcej while implying he was sure brainbomb was town by saying something about it being game throwing to vote for him. If he had voted for xorxes he could have made the vote close again between brainbomb and xorxes, but instead he placed a second vote on worcej. This was the only time he vote for worcej, he did not vote for worcej on D2 or D5 when worcej was at risk of getting lynched.

##VOTE worcej

Shit, maybe I am wrong on my 3, but I did say I was less sure of Damo. So far Flavius and bozo are defending Jaime. Not that it matters because we can't get a mislynch (conveniently setup by scum wolf Jamie) to confirm any ~~connections~~ anymore.

See some responses above in your quote.

Once again, for everyone to hear me again: I. AM. TOWN.

1. I have never seen you react that strongly as town, and I have seen you get scum read as town a lot.

2. In the game you cited, M1005, Jamie was bussing xorxes, and xorxes barely responded to Nephthys until after Nephthys was killed.

3. It was critical because you were one of the last players to vote for either xorxes or brainbomb, it put brainbomb up by 2 votes, and brainbomb was the top wagon for the rest of the day.

I also forgot to mention your "screams PR" post where it looked like you were setting up a fake doctor claim D2.

I disagree with the criticalness of my vote on BB with so much time left - anyone could've moved and made another wagon happen.

On the soft PR mention you just floated: Jamie was the first person to think my dramatic post about everyone remembering me once I go was a PR soft. In a vanilla setup, especially on D2, there is no reason for me to setup an opportunity to make a hardclaim, I would just make that claim if I needed to.

[bozotheclown]

yeah, so it seems ,but there's a difference, bozo

I'm known to be unable to spot scum, my main forte is having a towncore that's accurate, I've been tricked by scum constantly

However, you, bozo have a fine nose that is more than capable of smelling a real scum, you've done so in past games

Why would your hunting senses come to a sudden halt?

I do not buy that you expect me to be able to identify scum better than yourself. Besides, I tried to get worcej lynched D2, but I was willing to vote for Nephthys to break the tie.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Jamiet

worcej is fucking town, you bunch of boobheads

Why are you only sure worcej is town when he is at risk of getting lynched?

If I was scum, like you think I am, I wouldn't give two FUCKS if I got lynched today. This game would've been in the fucking bag since the Neph lynch because of the absolute shit game town has played so far.

More counters to your poor case bozo:

1. If I was scum, I would've advocated to my team to kill a town Jamie (see I can spell it right if I want ) awhile ago, most likely on N4, and left the town without anyone actively trying - look at the pool of us now along with MF, Claesar, and Darg. There isn't a single town leader in that bunch! Jaime also would've died well before MF or Darg based on participation alone, regardless of his inaccuracy this game. Those two were not leading a town - Darg just tunneled people and scum read several towns while MF was a non-factor in the game anyways.
2. Remember the time you won with rdr bozo? Don't you remember me ridiculously trying to get the town to listen to me? We're in the same spot, only this time I have more town people to scream at to pay attention. The only chance town has is to rally behind someone who is actually fucking trying!!!
3. All your scumvibes on me are about reactions and distances to xorxes and my D2 spew, which is ridiculous considering the lack of information that was available on D2 and the theory that it's dumb to try to defend yourself and maintain your life if you're town. There was only one PR to protect to save my team's ass to take the fall for and unfortunately he was a fucking idiot to draw attention to himself with poorly constructed cases. And let's not forget, one of the daggers put into Neph's back was from you, who could've easily also pushed a different wagon, such as myself or darg!
4. Your dumb concerns about scum/scum busing right now is out of place because the remaining scum team has YET to ever be on the hot seat once this game. If I was scum with Jamie, why the fuck would I try to get him voted for when he has successfully led the town to massacre itself all game long?!
5. Not that anyone believes me, but the ONLY reason I am still alive is because there has been enough previous scum vibes associated with me and I am the easiest mislynch to setup right now.

I did try to get you lynched D2 and only changed my vote with less than a minute left in the day to break the tie.

You told me yourself that if you were scum you would have told your teammates to bus you. The fact that you, Vaporwave, and damo are not voting for each other is one of the reasons I think you three might not be the scum team.

[bozotheclown]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

So you think worcej and damo are both town, so it is OK for worcej to try to humiliate damo, but it would not be OK if they were both scum?

No, I understand worcej's outburst if he's town, doesn't mean I approve of his method, but it's believable that he experienced a rageful moment.

However, as scum, for both of them to do this, is a bit too much and drastic. It reeks of weakness and desperation. As much as scum wants to win, I think they would have preferred a less personal attack

At least if they are both scum we will know after the game it was fake and had a strategic purpose. Otherwise, it was just a series of unnecessary insults.

[bozotheclown]

I remember thinking this same thing in a previous game where xorxes insulted Jamie in a way that seemed out of character, and it turned out they were both scum.

[worcej]

Why are you only sure worcej is town when he is at risk of getting lynched?

If I was scum, like you think I am, I wouldn't give two FUCKS if I got lynched today. This game would've been in the fucking bag since the Neph lynch because of the absolute shit game town has played so far.

More counters to your poor case bozo:

1. If I was scum, I would've advocated to my team to kill a town Jamie (see I can spell it right if I want ) awhile ago, most likely on N4, and left the town without anyone actively trying - look at the pool of us now along with MF, Claesar, and Darg. There isn't a single town leader in that bunch! Jaime also would've died well before MF or Darg based on participation alone, regardless of his inaccuracy this game. Those two were not leading a town - Darg just tunneled people and scum read several towns while MF was a non-factor in the game anyways.
2. Remember the time you won with rdr bozo? Don't you remember me ridiculously trying to get the town to listen to me? We're in the same spot, only this time I have more town people to scream at to pay attention. The only chance town has is to rally behind someone who is actually fucking trying!!!
3. All your scumvibes on me are about reactions and distances to xorxes and my D2 spew, which is ridiculous considering the lack of information that was available on D2 and the theory that it's dumb to try to defend yourself and maintain your life if you're town. There was only one PR to protect to save my team's ass to take the fall for and unfortunately he was a fucking idiot to draw attention to himself with poorly constructed cases. And let's not forget, one of the daggers put into Neph's back was from you, who could've easily also pushed a different wagon, such as myself or darg!
4. Your dumb concerns about scum/scum busing right now is out of place because the remaining scum team has YET to ever be on the hot seat once this game. If I was scum with Jamie, why the fuck would I try to get him voted for when he has successfully led the town to massacre itself all game long?!
5. Not that anyone believes me, but the ONLY reason I am still alive is because there has been enough previous scum vibes associated with me and I am the easiest mislynch to setup right now.

I did try to get you lynched D2 and only changed my vote with less than a minute left in the day to break the tie.

You told me yourself that if you were scum you would have told your teammates to bus you. The fact that you, Vaporwave, and damo are not voting for each other is one of the reasons I think you three might not be the scum team.

Bozo - you yourself said you blamed brain for making the tie to begin with, so yes you tried to lynch me then but didn't.

Regardless, you're ignoring a really important fact: As scum, a fake doctor claim would've come out sooner than the last minute to get people off me because I would want the doctor to CC it!!!

If I setup a fake claim opportunity on D2, why the hell didn't I employ it before that last minute if I was scum and still a wagon that close to the EOD? The fake claim would ONLY BE IMPORTANT to catch the doctor in a CC.

[bozotheclown]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

Like honestly, I appreciate that comment because I try to be honorable.

My flip-out at damo is over 7+ games of watching frustratingly annoying play when he is on my team. It is great when he isn't though, because I can bus him or push a mislynch on him easier than anyone else.

Are you saying damo is on your team this game?

[worcej]

bozo, I think worcej is a man of honor and not the type to humiliate a partner without his consent

also damo has enough self-respect to not let worcej pee on him publicly

I refuse to think it was scum theater.

Like honestly, I appreciate that comment because I try to be honorable.

My flip-out at damo is over 7+ games of watching frustratingly annoying play when he is on my team. It is great when he isn't though, because I can bus him or push a mislynch on him easier than anyone else.

Are you saying damo is on your team this game?

I didn't think so until you seem to be going all-in with defending Jamie by pushing me right now. He was my lowest probable scum because my read on him is based of what he didn't do instead of what he's done.

[FlaviusAetius]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO

I'm going to just look at the people who went back in the game and made those long lists about everyone's day and choose from there. I literally am not going to be manipulated by anyone...
I have to go to greek dance when I come back I'm making my decision and sticking with it

[FlaviusAetius]

Cause it seems like when I come up with my own opinions, I FAIL
When I follow other people, I FAIL
When I look at other people and decide, I FAIL
I literally just keep failing...