MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[bozotheclown]

On D3, damo first voted for xorxes :

I said durga was town.

On the basis of he wasn't NKd

##vote xorxes

However, three hour later he voted to hammer brainbomb when brainbomb wagon was on top 5-1-1-1:

OK ## vote brainbomb

If he flips town can we please lynch xorxes next

##end

can't stand much more of this bollocks

When the vote got close again, damo switched back and forth between xorxes and brainbomb before voting off the top wagon for the later part of D3.

I think it is possible damo was bussing xorxes, then took the opportunity to help get brainbomb mislynched, then disassociated himself form either wagon near EOD.

[bozotheclown]

One hour before D3 EOD, Vaporwave switched his vote from brainbomb to worcej when brainbomb was leading 6-2:

##VOTE worcej

for town, lynching bomb is throwing the game

This despite the fact Vaporwave had been voting for brainbomb for the previous 30 hours, and never gave an explanation for changing his read on brainbomb.

brainbomb even pointed this out as being suspicious at the time:

##VOTE worcej

for town, lynching bomb is throwing the game

...

thanks? but thats awfully dramatic Im pretty much a shit show this phase

[FlaviusAetius]

Thanks for letting me know :/

[FlaviusAetius]

I have an image of what the scum team is, but really I was hoping to last minute tie the vote to force the town into mylo and let the mafia decide the next two kills instead of our inept shit town team.

But because Flavius moved his vote, that made it impossible.

Also where were you when I was defending cleasar...
Like this is the first person I had a chance to defend this entire game, I acted like the ram, like you said too, and yet you still attack me for it...

Where was I? I was here, pointing at Jaime and saying lynch that mother F'er! I have already told you, I never townread anyone completely and would never defend them by just claiming they are town.

I also wouldn't just park my vote on someone that I believe is town when I am one mislynch away from lylo, that was just dumb.

Thanks for letting me know :/
I guess better to know now, than never to know

[Vaporwave]

bomb made me change my mind by being overly dramatic and also for expanding on hurtful events from his life

I have a huge weakness for bomb and he seemed upset. Anyway, I've disliked bomb this game overall because he wouldn't cooperate with me despite him being town

I would have defended him throughout this game if he would have answered my questions

[FlaviusAetius]

@bozo
I excuse literally everyone who voted for brainbomb, he was basically acting like a mafia person, and made us suspect him, and he wasnt nice at all it was kind of inevitable...
I forget what I said but killing brainbomb made people town, including worcej and darg...
I KNOW YOU GUYS SAID NOT TO DO THIS
BUT
WE NEED TO MAKE GUESSES BETTER NOW THAN NEVER

[worcej]

Might be a big waste of my time, but here goes: Voting behaviors for each person left on each Day. Also descriptions of activity included.

D1:
bozotheclown - Little activity, responded to a lot of people's comments and only added his own content when he voted Bo when Bo was already the leading wagon. Position was there was several lurkers and EM (ElectricMoose) was going to be most likely replaced, thus Bo. Xorxes also on the Bo wagon, just adding for a connection.
damo666 - Random posts mostly, responding with 'cute' one liners for over 2/3 his posts during the day. Made some interesting calls about EM being replaced, ultimately wanting to know if he is being replaced so he doesn't waste his vote. When EM finally said he wasn't cut out for this, he made a comment to lynch him but then moved from rdr to ezio to finally yav (the 2nd highest wagon with Vecna and Neph).
dargorygel - Impulse voted Vapor because he impulse voted Xorxes. Later, moved on from Vapor after posting that Vecna was frowning at people pushing Vapor, moved to EM during said comment. Commented his pressure on EM wasn't working (however, EM was the leading wagon at that time) and moved vote to worcej, stating that I wasn't meeting his expectations even for early game.
Jamiet99uk - EM this day, ultimately votes bozo to be 'funny' and peaces out. No reactions really to gain from that.
FlaviusAetius - Newguy, voted EM early without providing a good reason really, but made it apparent he was sheeping darg. Stated darg made intelligent comments and would follow his lead until the game went on. Continued to want the vote to be on EM due to no talking, seemed to grasp that lynching a lurker was important.
Vaporwave - Joke voted Xorxes, then got defensive down the road that damo was implying VT's didn't matter because it implied he didn't matter (softing he is VT) and ultimately voted for him. Unvoted eventually, posted this list of reads:

those of town descent:
bozo (now me and bozo aren't compatible and we clash on certain issues, however I think I'm leaning town for now)
clae ( I really think his towntell was believable, it's all about the deliverance and clae pulled this off nicely)
damo (for now because who knows what the future has in store for him)
Vecna (you say it's too soon for this and I'm replying by mentioning his sharp, authentic observations. you say I'm townreading him cause he first townread me and I reply by mentioning how Vecna was more fluffy as scum, he means business this time)
vuzovic - there was one particular post that got me thinking 'this guy is really using his brain'

residue of uncertainty:
dargo (I can't make him lean in any particular direction despite his multiple pots)
ezio
rivera
neph
worcej

pass card:
durga (cause she's having a party)

concerns:
Moscow,

And finally voted for Bo.
worcej - Joke voted Durga, commented that there was a lot of noise being made on D1 with people pretending to solve. Commented that voting lurkers was not necessarily a wise way to go. Voted Vecna because "I honestly think he is going with the ‘cause some noise, make some threads exist’ mode right now."
yavuzovic - Spent first 3 posts responding to others, not adding any content. Went after Flavius a little, but didn't push it hard. Ultimately, defended his vote because Flavius mis-quoted him and then finally no lynched, saying he couldn't read the thread to contribute.

D2:
bozotheclown - Responded and commented to others a lot in his first posts. It wasn't until 5 minutes left in D2 that he posted his own original comments of the game... anyways, voting was on darg because darg wanted to be a good counterwagon to me. Then moved to me. Then in the last minute moved to Neph, claiming that it was because brain tied it in the last minute.
damo666 - Suspected darg, yav, and Vapor. First voted on Vapor. Engaged with Vapor for a bit. Responded to others a lot, notable comments were Vapor and Durga were town to him. His scum list contained the following:

claesar
Jamie
flavius
Moscow
N​eph
worcej
xorxes
yav

Eventually got pissed at me for going ballistic. Unvoted and then revoted for me.
dargorygel - Pushed me again D2, while saying Flavius was floundering, Xorxes was scum, and I earned his vote though. Posted questions and responses thoroughly imo. Scummed me until the end of the day.
Jamiet99uk - Including some N1 since he started then, said his D1 analysis was bozo was PR fishing. MF was townslipping and Xorxes looked town. Scumread Durga, then said Flav and Darg could be on a team together. Commented Vecna and Durga also looked shitty EOD1. D2 was a little more engaging than before, talking with just about everyone. Went all out on Claesar and Neph, commented I came off sincere. Near the end said he wanted this:

Lynch Neph > Claesar > Dargorygel > Durga.

Do NOT lynch Worcej.

FlaviusAetius - Talked about GoT a bit first. Mentioned at some point we had '2 more days to get this RIGHT' (comment came @ 44:09 left in D2), which I believe wasn't wrong at the time if you assume town fails all lynches. But this struck me as an interesting comment now re-reading it because I wouldn't expect a new guy to know that so quickly into the game, considering his D1 was mostly sheeping. Voted me while commenting that yav, cleasar, and rdr were needing more interrogation or were worrisome. Neph later comments the biggest change he's seen from D1 -> D2 was Flavius, who states he chatted with BB and Neph and observed posts of the game to learn. Later brings up he was in church all day on N1's phase and would never have had time to discuss with anyone because of it - this was a response to a BB joke post about Mafia QT. Finally decides that after a look back that I am town now. Does state that moscow, cleasar, worcej, darg, and Neph are not mafia. Ends up voting Durga.
Vaporwave - Votes Jamie right away. Comments several times, not quoting back to anyone. Moves to rdr, then moved to Durga as an OMGUS. Sticks for a bit and then moves to MF after damo posts something. Then votes Jamie (states final vote, but obviously doesn't stay there). Moves to Claesar. Responds some more and posts this:

Towncore coming through..

bozo/damo/dargo/durga/bomb/Neph

Comments on Jamie's desire for Claesar first but pushin Neph is 'no bueno'. Moves to Durga for not keeping her promise. Eventually moves to MF for no reason. Then Darg due to poor ISO, then Yav. Claims Xorxes is town. Goes back t Darg after no one comes to yav. Expresses he wants Xorxes to take control of the town. Back to Claesar for not explaining his vote... finishes on darg with 9 minutes left...
worcej - Here, I'll pretty much boil it down to this: I OMGUS'ed so hard on Neph and Darg. Also raged that damo sucks.
yavuzovic - Comments on vapor, comments on a few people for a bit. OMGUS's a vote onto Damo early. Eventually moves to Neph because he was scummy. Warns Flavius of shadowing/buddying BB. Doesn't like my ISO and my anger in my posts, votes for me. Sees rdr comment about MF and moves to him. Takes Jamie's pressure on Vapor and moves to him. Thinks Jamie is scum for defending me. Moves finally back to Neph, stating he hopes we catch scum.

[yavuzovic]

Off,
I randomly choose, from the people my guts feel fishy about.
Jamie
His early switch to worcej was townier since he could stay on Claesar. And when he voted, it was 5 - Claesar, 1 - worcej, 1- bozo
With this move he might have tried to create a new wagon on another town, since he already pushed Claesar a lot and it would be suspicious if claesar died upon this and rolled town (assuming mafia!jamie knows his alignment before his flip). But Jamie looked serious about his push on worcej I think, he was a bit retaliating from the push from worcej - like little time later worcej OMGUS voted Jamie back.
Thinking time
I feel like Jamie is more like a town compared to my reads on him yesterday, but he is still a possible scum.

[worcej]

Continuing...

D3:
bozotheclown - First post is a comment on a sequence from BB, essentially showing BB chose to lynch Neph over myself or darg, which I agree was true. Bozo believes BB is bussing me when he chooses to vote for me. Shows BB acting the same way on D3 when he did it once as scum. Engages heavily with BB all day honestly.
damo666 - Says he said Durga was town. Votes Xorxes in same post. Makes this scum team post:

Scumteam: xorxes flav vapor moscow

. Wants Xorxes to be lynched due to being inactive. Moves to BB, wanting Xorxes to be next after flip. Puts an end on BB... Moves to Xorxes eventually. Eventually states he believes bozo and Claesar are town, also HC's town. Goes back to BB again. Gets to the point where he states it has to be Moscow, yav, worcej, or Vapor and votes moscow. Eventually votes vapor, no explanation. Eventually believes Brain is town and wants town players on brain to move off them. Eventually votes yav based on him not being in a potential scum pair. Then moves to me with an hour left. Adds a read of:

Scumteam is Moscow worcej yav and either rdrivera or bozo.

dargorygel - Immediately votes Vapor, waiting a wagon of Jamie vs Vapor or myself. Scums us and also Xorxes and Claesar. Votes Xorxes due to absence. Adds bozo to his suspects along with me because we usually do good analysis and we haven't yet. Asks some thought provoking questions and engages. Keeps the vote on xorxes and engages with him and Brain a few more times.
Jamiet99uk - Begins his iso's, net results: bozo = townlean, Claesar = scum, darg = townlean, MF = scumlean, rdr = scum. Votes brain and puts an end on it too. Rages a bit sometimes. Gives this list:

I currently believe the scum are in this pool:

Claesar
Brainbomb
Worcej
Xorxes
​ Rdrivera
Damo

Adds another one:

My lynch preference is:

1. Brainbomb or Claesar (most scummy)
2. Xorxes or Worcej (most informative lynches)
3. Rdrivera
4. Damo666

Comments on some weird things from BB, damo, and flavius a few times near the end. No posts near EOD.
FlaviusAetius - Has a run in or two with Jamie, focuses on going after the people who lynched Neph. Focuses first on BB. Ends up voting him because he's going against everything he apparently taught him... again, where did he teach him anything?... The BB vote is the only vote he makes all day. Reacts poorly to the people that don't want to lynch BB, notably darg. Somehow makes this read:

Thus if damo isnt voting brainbomb, that might be because he knows he will pop up mafia, and doesnt that make damo a mafia too
HAH I SOLVED SOMETHING
if brainbomb is town
then damo is town too(a major candidate)
if brainbomb is mafia
then worcej and damo are ALSO mafia
if brainbomb is town, then worcej is also probably town, but I want further investigations
waiting for the thing from jamie

Near the end states he would willingly move to me.
Vaporwave - Votes Flavius, states we shouldn't expect much. Moves to BB. States Xorxes is not scum. Gets upset at Flavius for posting he would go for Xorxes next day. Votes for me because lynching BB is throwing the game. Last post is this list:

haven't had connection to look at everything today, but ovb I saw bits, anyway wasn't today mainly bomb-centric?

town
damo
dargo
jamiet
​ bomb
rivera
xorxes
yavu


not sure anymore
bozo - initially town, but I haven't kept up with him lately
moscow - initially different and happy

possible scum
claesar - so different from solvy clae in that mini mafia
flaetius - there's something about him that rubs me the wrong way
worcej - he went ballistic one day, it reminded me of hooker

worcej - I take xorxes' comment about my crap reads (is typically true) and vote for Jamie. I comment on some people's posting, mostly being lazy, spend a lot of time responding to BB, and ultimately read the story BB put up on the thread as an attempt to humanize, thus he is scum.
yavuzovic - Comes back from a long absence. Takes Jamie's iso on Claesar as gospel and votes for him. Gets upset that people hammer. Ends up with a gut feeling to vote brain, but doesn't. Ends up no lynching because he will miss the rest of the day

[worcej]

More continuing...

D4:
bozotheclown - Votes Xorxes, no comments.
damo666 - Votes Xorxes, puts an end vote in.
dargorygel - Battles between me or xorxes, votes for me at first, but then states he does scum xorxes and votes for him and ends.
Jamiet99uk - Immediately votes Xorxes. Replies to dar on something. Comments on Claesar defending Xorxes. Ends.
FlaviusAetius - Votes xorxes, states we need to get the right person and it feels weird how we are all aligning.
Vaporwave - Doesn't like xorxes lynch right away, moves to MF. eventually moves to xorxes and ends, but doesn't like it.
worcej - I policy lynch xorxes. I end when I realize people want to end.
yavuzovic - doesn't post, misses the whole day.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do you have any conclusions from all of this analysis, Worcej?

[Vaporwave]

worcej, you naughy man!

why do you have dargo as green in my list? As far as we know, he's still alive and uncomfirmed

[dargorygel]

Because he knows I am town.... Hmmmm

[Vaporwave]

From worcej's ISO of D1 I'm a bit triggered by bozo and damo caring so much about Moose, there were more abstentees like bo_sox and Ezio, but that concern with Moose is a bit weird

[Vaporwave]

I'm not feeling safe voting for Flaetius, I feel like he will be another Claesar

[Vaporwave]

given that it's his 1st game, his acting is believable

nothing seems false

[Vaporwave]

EON in about an hour I assume

quite curious at their choice

[FlaviusAetius]

Im really just trying not to be a follower this game, I know how bad that is, and I want to come up with my own opinions about things...

[FlaviusAetius]

My biggest concern right now is why didnt darg automatically vote xorxes, I thought thats what we discussed the day before

[Vaporwave]

From worcej's ISO of D1 I'm a bit triggered by bozo and damo caring so much about Moose, there were more abstentees like bo_sox and Ezio, but that concern with Moose is a bit weird

however damo must be credited for the xorxes wagon, also he's been quite townie and I had people confirm his scum meta is different