MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[damo666]

worcej WHAT??
You are saying Jamie is a mafia now??
Interesting theory...but it's OBVIOUSLY FALSE
Jamie has been the most active person on this entire forum how can you even suspect him??

It does fit Jamie's meta Flav.

[FlaviusAetius]

worcej WHAT??
You are saying Jamie is a mafia now??
Interesting theory...but it's OBVIOUSLY FALSE
Jamie has been the most active person on this entire forum how can you even suspect him??

It does fit Jamie's meta Flav.

Why are we depending on what people's meta game??? We should look at the evidence THIS GAME, not in past games

[Jamiet99uk]

My meta is the same whatever alignment. You can't read me with meta.

I'm so meta, even this acronym.

[yavuzovic]

I feel fine with lynching Falvius today

Why?

This seems very omgus

Here's something feeling wrong with Flavius, I would say he is scum. He isn't voting Cleasar and creating another wagon.

[worcej]

I won't be on EoD. I will be able to spot check, occasionally, before then.

Tactically, do we want two wagons?

I am very willing to plant on Claesar...
But if we want another wagon I am willing to vote for Yavu or worcej (of course.)

What is the best tactic here?
Particularly interested in answers from Claesar, yavu, and worcej.

And again...
Claesar, in the last game you gave us a nifty mathematical model of what our odds were. I'd like to see that from you again, if you have the time.
particularly: the odds when you 'gave up.' The odds after xorxes' timely death... and the odds if we hit scum again.

I don't think we really have multiple wagons (still playing catch-up - work is busy today - and maybe one has actually formed) to be that overly concerned. However, sudden movements to new wagons without cause is something I would be raising an eyebrow at.

[worcej]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

How does it point me (or wocej) as mafia?

Because you two are the final candidates on everyone's mafia list...
I think damo has been too nice this entire game, and helpful to be a mafia
I think darg cleared himself a very long time ago, like Cleasar did
I think Jamie is a super hunter sooo yea
anddd
that leaves you and worcej left
You have made some interesting choices...I gave a possible explanation, but I refresh that page all the time on my laptop soo, not sure about you
worcej maybe had a convincing interrogation, but as he stated, im also pretty easy to convince...so maybe we were right?? idk

Flavius, before I get into your reads, know that I look forward to you playing more games and hope you stick around.

Now that I said that, wtf is with those reads?! Damo is 'too nice' takes little effort when his posts are fluff and votes. Being nice is NAI, you need to look deeper than that. Not sure how darg or Cleasar have cleared themselves of anything substantial to warrant town reads, but that's my iso. Jaime being a hunter doesn't make him town, though I am inclined to town him simply because the amount of effort he is putting into the game to hunt when it was clearly a sweeping victory for scum so far.

[worcej]

It's interesting that Worcej remains tunelled on Bozo who is a very unlikely lynch today, while Claesar has not voted at all.

Let's see what happens if we make ##VOTE WORCEJ a viable second wagon.

Tunneled? I literally put a vote out there to start a lynch and presented my case on what I am seeing. Your passionate pushes and arguments with Cleasar is definitely more tunneling than what I've done.

And once again, I am town. But I am growing steadily more confident that the rest of my town team are moronic sheep...

[FlaviusAetius]

I feel fine with lynching Falvius today

Why?

This seems very omgus

Here's something feeling wrong with Flavius, I would say he is scum. He isn't voting Cleasar and creating another wagon.

Ummm, I have defended Cleasar this entire game, and I havent seen many good reasons as to why to abandon that

[worcej]

Do you believe it townclears him? He thinks it does. Why do you think I'm assuming the only valid reaction is to call him scummy?

You seem deadset that he is scum to have voted him and even planted an end vote early in the day.

Am I mistaken that you believe he is 100% scum?

[worcej]

worcej WHAT??
You are saying Jamie is a mafia now??
Interesting theory...but it's OBVIOUSLY FALSE
Jamie has been the most active person on this entire forum how can you even suspect him??

It's actually pretty simple, Jamie could be power wolfing this game. It isn't impossible to be actual and he definitely has the ability to wolf. And a vanilla setup is a great time to execute this strategy.

Where my theory breaks down is why would Jamie wolf. Putting myself in his shoes, you know Xorxes is going to probably die by a policy lynch at some point. And why I would also execute the move also makes sense based off the players left.

My quick analysis of the some players left in the game:
Flavor = new, unknown, and inexperienced.
damo = typically low content posting, sheeps a lot, not a natural leader.
yavu = easy to spin and manipulate, also can be scum painted.
Vapor = relatively new to the site, can OMGUS as good as myself, not a leader.
Myself = easy to scum-paint, OMGUS is a normal reaction.

If I am Jamie and scum with one of bozo and darg and even one of the above list, I know I can probably get a towny or two to follow me onto a mislynch.

And now after writing all of this... I've talked myself into the fact I think Jaime is power wolfing... So ##vote Jamie - and I'll also not be shocked that no one left believes me anyways because none of you typically do anyway.

[worcej]

Also, after writing that, I hate how your name is spelled Jamie - Jaime is way more common and I work with 2 people spelled the 'ai' way...

[worcej]

worcej WHAT??
You are saying Jamie is a mafia now??
Interesting theory...but it's OBVIOUSLY FALSE
Jamie has been the most active person on this entire forum how can you even suspect him??

It does fit Jamie's meta Flav.

Why are we depending on what people's meta game??? We should look at the evidence THIS GAME, not in past games

You're somewhat right, but you should also read what 'power wolfing' is. With no investigative roles, there is a much higher chance this route can be successful.

[worcej]

My meta is the same whatever alignment. You can't read me with meta.

I'm so meta, even this acronym.

You are correct with your analysis. You're a really intelligent player, so it's better to look at you from that perspective, which leads me to you're wolfing.

[worcej]

BTW, Flavius, see this article for more info: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/co ... %29?page=5

[worcej]

Putting it out into the group, I have grown more confident in Jamie and bozo being scum along with a lurking 3rd.

[worcej]

I imagine the god thread is rolling around enjoying the shit show that has been the current state of this game lol...

[yavuzovic]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

How does it point me (or wocej) as mafia?

Because you two are the final candidates on everyone's mafia list...
I think damo has been too nice this entire game, and helpful to be a mafia(1)
I think darg cleared himself (2)a very long time ago, like Cleasar did
I think Jamie is a super hunter (3) sooo yea
anddd
that leaves you and worcej left
You have made some interesting choices...I gave a possible explanation, but I refresh that page all the time on my laptop soo, not sure about you
worcej maybe had a convincing interrogation, but as he stated, im also pretty easy to convince.(4)..so maybe we were right?? idk

1) damo has been too nice.. how does this clear him? There was an article that I heard of diplomacy game for the first time - saying kind people are more likely to betray. Stay awake. Give a better explanation for damo. Is he a harder target than us, for scum to push.

2) I don't say you lie, but can you please point where he did that?

3) Jamie is obvious scum if claesar dies and rolls town I think. He pushed him all day long and now trying to stay on a different wagon. I don't know, but he couldn't hunt much so far, right?

4) Bro you already chose who to vote tomorrow, you're lying looking at my eyes. You'll lynch a town today, kill someone else at night, you'll claim you already said claesar was town and you'll lead my or worcej's lynch and you'll win.. good strategy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Do you believe it townclears him? He thinks it does. Why do you think I'm assuming the only valid reaction is to call him scummy?

You seem deadset that he is scum to have voted him and even planted an end vote early in the day.

Am I mistaken that you believe he is 100% scum?

I'm asking you about your opinion, not asking you to state what my opinion is.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, after writing that, I hate how your name is spelled Jamie - Jaime is way more common and I work with 2 people spelled the 'ai' way...

Jamie is the normal spelling. I have never met anyone called "Jaime".

[yavuzovic]

I won't be on EoD. I will be able to spot check, occasionally, before then.

Tactically, do we want two wagons?

I am very willing to plant on Claesar...
But if we want another wagon I am willing to vote for Yavu or worcej (of course.)

What is the best tactic here?
Particularly interested in answers from Claesar, yavu, and worcej.

And again...
Claesar, in the last game you gave us a nifty mathematical model of what our odds were. I'd like to see that from you again, if you have the time.
particularly: the odds when you 'gave up.' The odds after xorxes' timely death... and the odds if we hit scum again.

Sadly I think everyone's set on cleasar at this point, and its SAD
I think having TWO wagons everyday is the smartest idea ever because then we can always switch, and it forces TWO people to defend themselves

It's easier for scum to save a member, isn't it.

I'm forming the scum team in my mind. About to discover.