MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[damo666]

The GM is tired, the flavor expired,

Please place your expectations in the future.

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Vote Count
Clae (5) bozo, damo, dargo, jamie, vapor
worcej (1) flavius
bozo (1) worcej
jamie (1) yavuz

End Votes (2/5) darg, jamie
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Lot's of time left.

Oh einstein! Grocer's

[dargorygel]

I want everyone to state their reaction to Claesar's big reveal two pages ago.

It's weird that people aren't responding to it.

I did somewhat... but to be clear, it is not a big reveal. It tastes like a scramble to put something together that sounded clever.

[damo666]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

How?

[damo666]

Staying on Claezar. Geezer.

Wont be around EOD.

Soz. Poker.

[dargorygel]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

How?

I asked him this too... no anwer.
Flavius? You awake?

[dargorygel]

I won't be on EoD. I will be able to spot check, occasionally, before then.

Tactically, do we want two wagons?

I am very willing to plant on Claesar...
But if we want another wagon I am willing to vote for Yavu or worcej (of course.)

What is the best tactic here?
Particularly interested in answers from Claesar, yavu, and worcej.

And again...
Claesar, in the last game you gave us a nifty mathematical model of what our odds were. I'd like to see that from you again, if you have the time.
particularly: the odds when you 'gave up.' The odds after xorxes' timely death... and the odds if we hit scum again.

[dargorygel]

I'm also going to remove my end vote.
To prevent EoD tomfoolery.

##unend

[FlaviusAetius]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

How does it point me (or wocej) as mafia?

Because you two are the final candidates on everyone's mafia list...
I think damo has been too nice this entire game, and helpful to be a mafia
I think darg cleared himself a very long time ago, like Cleasar did
I think Jamie is a super hunter sooo yea
anddd
that leaves you and worcej left
You have made some interesting choices...I gave a possible explanation, but I refresh that page all the time on my laptop soo, not sure about you
worcej maybe had a convincing interrogation, but as he stated, im also pretty easy to convince...so maybe we were right?? idk

[FlaviusAetius]

I won't be on EoD. I will be able to spot check, occasionally, before then.

Tactically, do we want two wagons?

I am very willing to plant on Claesar...
But if we want another wagon I am willing to vote for Yavu or worcej (of course.)

What is the best tactic here?
Particularly interested in answers from Claesar, yavu, and worcej.

And again...
Claesar, in the last game you gave us a nifty mathematical model of what our odds were. I'd like to see that from you again, if you have the time.
particularly: the odds when you 'gave up.' The odds after xorxes' timely death... and the odds if we hit scum again.

Sadly I think everyone's set on cleasar at this point, and its SAD
I think having TWO wagons everyday is the smartest idea ever because then we can always switch, and it forces TWO people to defend themselves

[Jamiet99uk]

It's interesting that Worcej remains tunelled on Bozo who is a very unlikely lynch today, while Claesar has not voted at all.

Let's see what happens if we make ##VOTE WORCEJ a viable second wagon.

[worcej]

[thread dies]

We're already at this point.

What are your thoughts on bozo?
How do you feel about damo and yavu's participation?

On page 80 I posted the following after a detailed forensic review of Bozo's first two days and nights:

Bozo is not scum with Worcej. His D2 looks more towny than his D1. His investigation of Brainbomb is worthy of note. Conclusion: Townlean, but needs revising if Worcej is town.

This is still more or less my view of Bozo.

I am town, so you should consider reviewing this.

[worcej]

The first thing that's bothering me is Worcej's complete lack of reaction to Claesar's big "look at me, I'm a townclear because of my flavour name!" post.

Worcej was online not long after Claesar made that post.

The day's lead wagon - a wagon which Worcej states he does not support - has been promising since the start of the phase that he was going to do a big reveal that would townclear him.

Then that happens, and I react to it, and Darg also kinda reacts to it. But in saunters Worcej, and all he wants to say is "Hey Jamie what do you think of Bozo and some other people". No reaction whatsoever to Claesar's big post. No reaction either to Claesar's reads list. Is this because Claesar is null reading him?

Could this be scum Worcej who is relaxed about a mislynch of bad-town Claesar, having already prepared the defence of "well, I was opposed to his wagon", but not actually motivated to do much to get people off the wagon, really....?

I don't have a strong reaction because I don't think him trying to plant a tell that he was town in the early game is scummy.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, when did I state I did not support Claesar's lynch? I said this:

I'm going to start this wagon instead - ##vote bozo

I obviously don't like my own wagon, but I also don't feel like Claesar should go today yet...

Are you inferring that because I haven't voted for him? My intent in that post was to convey I am not confident in voting for him because I don't see him as more scummy than the people I have pointed out (darg+bozo).

We are not at mylo or lylo atm, but fellow town players, you need to realize something: we only have one mislynch left before we are at LYLO. You should REALLY be confident in your reads to be placing votes and stop sheeping people.

To be clear, I definitely do not read Claesar as a strong town, but again I am much more confident in my opinions of bozo and darg. That is why I am not coming along on the Claesar wagon-ride.

[worcej]

I KNEW IT!
Listen I know Cleasar isnt defending himself, YES that is FISHY YES Im mad at him
I still think he has a good chance at being a townsperson, but what is worcej doing???
RESPOND, AND EXPLAIN
Do you also think Cleasar is a town now??
Why? Is it because of what I said?

I believe the post I just made addresses this.

[worcej]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

I don't understand how this connection is being made... but okay...

[worcej]

I want everyone to state their reaction to Claesar's big reveal two pages ago.

It's weird that people aren't responding to it.

His reveal of his clues/push that he is town? I believe I've addressed this now already.

[worcej]

Claesar never answered my question about my iso on him. If he's not prepared to answer me, I'm not motivated to move my vote.

Claesar > Worcej > Yavuzovic currently seems a favourable lynch order.

My greatest fear now is that the scum team is somehow Jaime + bozo/darg (or both) + lurker.

If this is accurate, then we've already lost.

[worcej]

I want everyone to state their reaction to Claesar's big reveal two pages ago.

It's weird that people aren't responding to it.

I know, that's the main reason I gave up earlier. It's not like anyone reads posts. It's as if there's no town in this game.

You are not the only one feeling this way.

[Jamiet99uk]

The first thing that's bothering me is Worcej's complete lack of reaction to Claesar's big "look at me, I'm a townclear because of my flavour name!" post.

Worcej was online not long after Claesar made that post.

The day's lead wagon - a wagon which Worcej states he does not support - has been promising since the start of the phase that he was going to do a big reveal that would townclear him.

Then that happens, and I react to it, and Darg also kinda reacts to it. But in saunters Worcej, and all he wants to say is "Hey Jamie what do you think of Bozo and some other people". No reaction whatsoever to Claesar's big post. No reaction either to Claesar's reads list. Is this because Claesar is null reading him?

Could this be scum Worcej who is relaxed about a mislynch of bad-town Claesar, having already prepared the defence of "well, I was opposed to his wagon", but not actually motivated to do much to get people off the wagon, really....?

I don't have a strong reaction because I don't think him trying to plant a tell that he was town in the early game is scummy.

Do you believe it townclears him? He thinks it does. Why do you think I'm assuming the only valid reaction is to call him scummy?

[Jamiet99uk]

I want everyone to state their reaction to Claesar's big reveal two pages ago.

It's weird that people aren't responding to it.

His reveal of his clues/push that he is town? I believe I've addressed this now already.

Barely, and only because I called you out.

[FlaviusAetius]

worcej WHAT??
You are saying Jamie is a mafia now??
Interesting theory...but it's OBVIOUSLY FALSE
Jamie has been the most active person on this entire forum how can you even suspect him??