MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[worcej]

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We're already at this point.

What are your thoughts on bozo?
How do you feel about damo and yavu's participation?

[Jamiet99uk]

ALSO Jamie you said you would give Cleasar a total of FOUR posts to defend himself, he didnt do that yet, I know he will defend himself, Im sure of it
Then you will see clearly that Clesar isnt a mafia...

I did say that. But then, after I had said that, Claesar posted to make it clear that he would not answer anyone's questions except, for some reason, Damo's question. Since he has now answered that question, it appears he will refuse to answer anything else.

[Jamiet99uk]

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We're already at this point.

What are your thoughts on bozo?
How do you feel about damo and yavu's participation?

On page 80 I posted the following after a detailed forensic review of Bozo's first two days and nights:

Bozo is not scum with Worcej. His D2 looks more towny than his D1. His investigation of Brainbomb is worthy of note. Conclusion: Townlean, but needs revising if Worcej is town.

This is still more or less my view of Bozo.

[Jamiet99uk]

I did not do an iso on Yavuzovic. I should do that before this phase ends.

[Jamiet99uk]

##UNEND to give me time to do that.

[Jamiet99uk]

You're misquoting it. Let me get the original post.

I see that's not your fault though. If you click "orig" in Peterbot, you see my actual post. I'll link it here: viewtopic.php?p=73960#p73960


The posts by Brainbomb and Worcej are what it's about. I don't understand how you can quote those two posts and the come to the conclusion to vote for you (Dargo). It's the opposite of the train of thought those posts are going at! Just read them in order and explain to me how that happens.

That said, I wasn't sure. This is why I posted it without an explanation, hoping others would reread and come to the same conclusion. Like I said earlier, I like people reaching their own conclusions rather than me pushing an agenda. I'm an analyst, not a town crier. Nobody picked up on it though, so it seems I was wrong. We'll see.

So basically in your mind, casting a bad vote, or voting for a crappy reason, is a scumslip?

If that's the case there have been a lot of scumslips in this game.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is this sarcasm?

[Jamiet99uk]

Two things are bothering me.

Apparently they are bothering me so much that I woke up at 3am thinking about them, and so I'll post them here before I try to go back to sleep.

[Jamiet99uk]

The first thing that's bothering me is Worcej's complete lack of reaction to Claesar's big "look at me, I'm a townclear because of my flavour name!" post.

Worcej was online not long after Claesar made that post.

The day's lead wagon - a wagon which Worcej states he does not support - has been promising since the start of the phase that he was going to do a big reveal that would townclear him.

Then that happens, and I react to it, and Darg also kinda reacts to it. But in saunters Worcej, and all he wants to say is "Hey Jamie what do you think of Bozo and some other people". No reaction whatsoever to Claesar's big post. No reaction either to Claesar's reads list. Is this because Claesar is null reading him?

Could this be scum Worcej who is relaxed about a mislynch of bad-town Claesar, having already prepared the defence of "well, I was opposed to his wagon", but not actually motivated to do much to get people off the wagon, really....?

[Jamiet99uk]

The second thing that's bothering me is this little gem from Yavuzovic:

ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING?
IN THIS CASE ALL SCUM ARE ON XORXES WHICH MEANS XORXES IS TOWN.

People then pointed out to Yav that Xorxes had already been lynched, and he said:

That's weird, I scumread xorxes but when I saw everyone were on him - I didn't read the thread I only looked at peterbot.

I think as damo started the wagon he's almost clear except the chance scum decided to start a wagon on their member to gain towncred - which I think unlikely.

The highlighted phrase is problematic; indeed it appears to be a lie. You see, by the time Yav posted the first, apparently panic-stricken post above, the phase had already ended and the GM had correctly advanced the Peterbot to the night phase.

So if Yav had just quickly checked the vote count on the Peterbot, it would no longer have been showing an active vote count - it would have been showing the Night Phase status.

This suggests that Yav was actually catching up on the thread, got worried when he saw that Xorxes was aboard the lynch express, and posted a panicky post to try to save Xorxes, without realising the phase had ended.

I repeat, if he had actually been looking at the Peterbot as he claimed, it would have told him that the Night phase had started.

This is interesting. Could it be a scumslip?

[FlaviusAetius]

I KNEW IT!
Listen I know Cleasar isnt defending himself, YES that is FISHY YES Im mad at him
I still think he has a good chance at being a townsperson, but what is worcej doing???
RESPOND, AND EXPLAIN
Do you also think Cleasar is a town now??
Why? Is it because of what I said?

[FlaviusAetius]

@jamie I starred peter pot, and have it permanently open on one of my tabs, so I sometimes forget to refresh it, that might be why

[FlaviusAetius]

but @yav EXPLANATION NEEDED!
Im glad you got past jamie @cleasar he is just a SILLY person to lynch today

[FlaviusAetius]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

[dargorygel]

If we HAVE to kill Cleasar tonight, it clearly points to worcej and yav as mafia

Can you say this in another way? It doesn't make sense to me.

[dargorygel]

@Jamiet
So are you saying that you are questioning the Claesar as Mafia scenario?

[yavuzovic]

I want everyone to look at this behaviour from Claesar.

For the entire game he has made unsubstantiated claims and then when challenged or questioned, he just disappears for a while and refuses to respond. The later he comes back and repeats the claims.

This is not town play.

This is not a scum play too. Can you say this is a scum play?
Cleasar is someone can be lynched easily because of his actions but I actually townread him. I could vote him but there are more scummier people, ##vote Jamie I think we should look for scums on Cleasar wagon

I don't understand this,yavu. Claesar is no more snow easy Lynch than jamiet or worcej. Why are you defending him when he doesn't defend himself, other than by diversion? Why hasn't he told us of his scum slip find? I find that very suspicious. His mind was changed apparently... If it was his own logic, why not tell us? There is no pr to protect... But if the QT talked home into changing his direction... Then this makes sense. Of course there still are more scum. But his flip gives us info about who defended him and who he attacked.

##vote claesar
I still feel like there's a scum push on this wagon

[yavuzovic]

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[yavuzovic]

Very well.

##unend

Let's have some answers, Claesar.

OK ##unend

Unend wave? I'd like to see their explanation when claesar flips scum.

[yavuzovic]

Just quickly checking in before my real post. I see one question by non-scum, from Damo: "Who's scum?". A bit disappointing there aren't more questions, but oh well. There's stilk some time.

Are you a joke, Claesar?