MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[yavuzovic]

ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING?
IN THIS CASE ALL SCUM ARE ON XORXES WHICH MEANS XORXES IS TOWN.

[dargorygel]

ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING?
IN THIS CASE ALL SCUM ARE ON XORXES WHICH MEANS XORXES IS TOWN.

Hmmm
Are you being a jokester here? Or haven't read the thread?

Not sure I like either answer...

[dargorygel]

(add yavu to the list)

[Jamiet99uk]

ARE YOU AWARE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING?
IN THIS CASE ALL SCUM ARE ON XORXES WHICH MEANS XORXES IS TOWN.

Uhhhhhh

Yav... mate..... Xorxes has been lynched.

We ended the phase early.

Xorxes was scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE YAVUZOVIC

[e.m.c^42]

So it's roughly a 31-32 hour night? Can it be hammered?

##GM Note

If unanimous votes by PM occurs, then yes.

[Vaporwave]

forgot who started the xorxes wagon

[Vaporwave]

anyhow I think most of us are on board tomorrow

we're eating Caesar salad

[Vaporwave]

So

xorxerino shaded Moscow but loved Caesar when it came to townslips

there was some interaction with bozo which makes me think they're not part of a team
also him and yavu are a bit weird which points to yavu having a clean, fresh smell

xorxes still wanted bo because Moscow at least did something,wanted to wait another day for him, I feel like a scumbo wouldn't care but he offered a tiny defense of Mosc despite the previous shading




also

fuck xorxes, he had townie reactions but his caca reason for votes was a faux-pas

[Vaporwave]

towns:
bozo - a bit unsure but still seems town
damo - he's been very involved and mega townie
Jamiet
yavu

Don't ask: dargo, worcej

mafiosi:
claesar - so different from the mini, wants to concede when we were still allowed 3 mislynches
Flaetius
Moscow - not so sure, but has scum potential

[bozotheclown]

I find bozo's vote without an end and without comment suspicious.

I would lynch tomorrow among Claesar, bozo, and worcej.

(Claesar's attitude is not townie... we had not lost. It was looking grim, but we still had misslyches available... and even catching one scum lengthens our odds. Seems to me he is trying to spread despair. And it had some effect, I am sure. I wept and gnashed my teeth in sorrow reading his Eeyor-like sorrow.)

I think the scum were bussing early and often.

[bozotheclown]

I was wrong about rdrivera, but not much has changed since N3. My top suspects are still Claesar, worcej, and MoscowFleet.

[Vaporwave]

I was wrong about rdrivera, but not much has changed since N3. My top suspects are still Claesar, worcej, and MoscowFleet.

when worcej was under pressure and in a heated argument with damo, he mentioned how xorxes was scum, but I can't recall if he pushed for him
or was he mostly just concerned with defending himself

[worcej]

I was wrong about rdrivera, but not much has changed since N3. My top suspects are still Claesar, worcej, and MoscowFleet.

when worcej was under pressure and in a heated argument with damo, he mentioned how xorxes was scum, but I can't recall if he pushed for him
or was he mostly just concerned with defending himself

Please find the quote of me pushing xorxes. I want you to look that one up explicitly.

[worcej]

Also, I am sending a PM to end the night earlier - I don't think we need a 36 hour night phase personally...

[Vaporwave]

I was wrong about rdrivera, but not much has changed since N3. My top suspects are still Claesar, worcej, and MoscowFleet.

when worcej was under pressure and in a heated argument with damo, he mentioned how xorxes was scum, but I can't recall if he pushed for him
or was he mostly just concerned with defending himself

Please find the quote of me pushing xorxes. I want you to look that one up explicitly.

I'm not sure if you pushed xorxes but you had something saying that you think he's town thus he's scum or something like that

will look for it

[worcej]

Since I might die now, I'll state this to the town - I never pushed xorxes when I was spewing my defense. Here is the only posts where I say his name at all on D2, with the mentioned sentences underlined:

Again, where do you get this feeling that I am better than what I put into this weekend?

Worcej seems a lot me when I am scum and got in defensive mode...

But I second the scum vibes from Dargo after that post, it doesn't seem natural and he prepared to jump in almost any ship that depart.

In fact, ##vote Dargo, him and Worcej being wagons could be interesting.

Claesar tunnel into Ezio isn't scummy per se, but his lack of engagement after Brain took over may be, not a bad wagon too.

I think you don't really know what my town game is rdr. I typically crack under pressure, put out a hard claim, and then get angry at people pushing me.

This time, I have nothing to HC because I've lied about it enough in the past to make xorxes and damo stop bothering and I am just pointing out I am an easy mislynch right now. Neph and dargo look like shit for this.

I've addressed darg's case, so here is Neph's case:

Yes yav is quite a decent scum possibility but today we should consider lynching worcej and that is probably the best cause so far.

- Vecna was the only person to seriously post against worcej from memory
- Worcej indicated that he wasn't keen to focus on lurkers, despite posting 3
times between that conversation and his post. This screams of looking for
cheap towncred.
- Has time to give feedback to the GMs about how to run the game but not time
to provide meaningful input
- His vote on Vecna was worthless. Vecna was not being scumread by anyone and
I showed last game that even when a lot of people consider him to be off he is
difficult to lynch, let alone D1 when he is the highest poster. It was an easy
option to go off wagon and not even attempt to bring someone else into
contention. This screams of scum that is content with the lynch.

I'll address each like so:

1. So? Just because Vecna shaded me and he was town immediately makes me scum? I said my position numerous times and I was clearly wrong. If being wrong is scum, I guess we're all going to be scum at some point this game.
2. Yes, I do not think focusing only on lurkers on D1 is wise - I stand by the theory that 'scum lurk on D1' is horseshit for our meta on webdiplo, unless you are looking at a normally strong town player (xorx and Vecna). Prior games confirm this behavior. Smart scum come out the bat and try to engage and make noise, thus why I looked closely at Vecna at first - he knows his late game is bad.
3. Yes, I did have time to post a comment about GMs on N1, but are you complaining that I didn't post much on N1? I posted more than MF and xorxes, while posting similar numbers and content (not identical counts, but content is damn close) as darg, Vecna, and Durga. What is your point about me not posting much during the night?
4. So because I voted on someone who was town, I am therefor scum? Your point makes little sense, just like the being wrong about Vecna theory means I am scum.

TL;DR - Neph's theory/reasoning behind me as scum comes off fabricated upon my read. It's all weak and it's an easy push to make since darg already started it.

So far, only one noob is sheeping darg still. If you want me to be a wagon, go for it - lynch me and confirm my town allignment, but then I want the next wagons to be Darg and Neph for sure on D3.

##vote darg

D1 actions and ~!~vibes~!~
worcej
Day-2 35:39
page 37 / orig
↑brainbomb: "@worcej who looked fake like they were trying too hard to solve?"
As I have said, I put those eggs in Vecna's basket. I was wrong, won't be the first time that happens.

Honestly right now, my scum reads are on people starting a push on me (Neph and Darg) because I am a really easy mislynch today. You can paint some easy image that I orchestrated a scum team to get Vecna on the NK because he is so good and will get us all in time. And he is actually trying, unlike other town-cores in our meta (xor).

wait...

I thought your whole argument was you arent good day 1. and youre being misrepped.

now you arent good day 2 either? a really easy mislynch?

what other towncores? Who is in these other towncores? Who has xorxes formed a towncore with?

*eye roll* No one is a town-core now, but Vecna and Xorxes, when town, usually are fucking good and get scum caught. Any scum team in our meta knows these two need to go early.

Where in here did I do what vapor just described? Bolded and underlined below.

I was wrong about rdrivera, but not much has changed since N3. My top suspects are still Claesar, worcej, and MoscowFleet.

when worcej was under pressure and in a heated argument with damo, he mentioned how xorxes was scum, but I can't recall if he pushed for him
or was he mostly just concerned with defending himself

[Vaporwave]

And now with that, 3 of my leans on scum have been all town. Time to fucking go a weird direction.

Xorxes said it best:

What's the usual helpful worcej way? worcej usually gets his reads exactly backwards.

So...

[...]
My towncore is rdr and Jaime right now, vapor as a lean with yav along for the ride, others not mentioned are NAI for doing nothing but existing.

Let's do this ##vote Jaime - I legit think you're town, therefor you are probably scum.

[worcej]

when worcej was under pressure and in a heated argument with damo, he mentioned how xorxes was scum, but I can't recall if he pushed for him
or was he mostly just concerned with defending himself

Please find the quote of me pushing xorxes. I want you to look that one up explicitly.

I'm not sure if you pushed xorxes but you had something saying that you think he's town thus he's scum or something like that

will look for it

I just did it for you because I am impatient.

Trying to piggy-back off bozo saying scum was bussing early and then implying I was bussing is a pretty advantageous move to make, except it didn't happen.

[worcej]

And now with that, 3 of my leans on scum have been all town. Time to fucking go a weird direction.

Xorxes said it best:

What's the usual helpful worcej way? worcej usually gets his reads exactly backwards.

So...

[...]
My towncore is rdr and Jaime right now, vapor as a lean with yav along for the ride, others not mentioned are NAI for doing nothing but existing.

Let's do this ##vote Jaime - I legit think you're town, therefor you are probably scum.

How the hell is that me saying xorxes is scum Vapor?