MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[worcej]

but if you think youve caught scum give it some passion.

No joke read your story, had a welling of compassion for you and everything you said. Made me think of you in a very positive way. This guy just dumped his heart into telling this and I feel for him. He's clearly just as upset about being labeled scum and no one believes him, just like my own situation.

Then I remember that we are playing a game. And you're good at it. And your story made me want to believe you and lynch someone else.

##vote brainbomb - because I actually respect your ability at this game and that personal story made you personable, which naturally makes people want to believe you regardless of their suspicions.

[brainbomb]

show of hands of players who think someone other than brainbomb dies today.

[dargorygel]

@everyone
IF there were guns in this game...and IF you had one, who would you shoot?

I would (no offense,man) shoot worcej. His flip would clear Jamiet... and we could analyze his connections, defenses, attacks, and loose change.

None taken. This is a great question actually.

I would shoot bozo right now. Working to articulate a better case than just that, but I have this vibe that reminds me of the time it was down to rdr and him as scum with ND, Bo_, and myself as the last town.

I look forward to reading your case (or ISO.) I keep finding bozo to be haphazard... but I have not worked out a case for or against him yet.

[brainbomb]

false flags of concern ranging from oh no he will escape the noose, to oh mo hes trying to save xorxes now, oh no he threw a fit and self voted which he only does as scum, he told a personal story to stay alive, oh no, we better kill someone who is a real human being.

lol

[brainbomb]

none of those things explain why im scum.

at least my vote on neph would sort of make me likely to be scum. Yea, like if you assumed my intent of vote was to kill a guy id been townreadin then yeh. Thatd be wolfy. Unfortunately, sniping neph only makes sense if im scum with darg or worcej.

which I think weve covered 3 times but nobody can explain why id pick off neph and throw my life away as scum.

And they cant explain how id be scum with darg or worcej.

so all there is are a bunch of strawman arguments about meta.

[brainbomb]

Also, are you guys all a bunch of INTJs or something? limited at best social lives? idgi. but im an ENFP and Im on a diff wavelength of human understanding.

damo is probably scum
so after I flip he needs to die. thats my final wish.

[rdrivera2005]

but if you think youve caught scum give it some passion.

No joke read your story, had a welling of compassion for you and everything you said. Made me think of you in a very positive way. This guy just dumped his heart into telling this and I feel for him. He's clearly just as upset about being labeled scum and no one believes him, just like my own situation.

Then I remember that we are playing a game. And you're good at it. And your story made me want to believe you and lynch someone else.

##vote brainbomb - because I actually respect your ability at this game and that personal story made you personable, which naturally makes people want to believe you regardless of their suspicions.

I gave defended Worcej a lot yesterday, this post make me think if I was doing the right thing.

[rdrivera2005]

none of those things explain why im scum.

at least my vote on neph would sort of make me likely to be scum. Yea, like if you assumed my intent of vote was to kill a guy id been townreadin then yeh. Thatd be wolfy. Unfortunately, sniping neph only makes sense if im scum with darg or worcej.

which I think weve covered 3 times but nobody can explain why id pick off neph and throw my life away as scum.

And they cant explain how id be scum with darg or worcej.

so all there is are a bunch of strawman arguments about meta.

You summarized well, the scummiest thing about you is your behavior at EOD2. You explained and it's up to people believe or not, but I have a feeling your wagon departed too fast for you to be scum.

[brainbomb]

weve spent an entire day talking about me. youve even gotten my abridged life story.

Cant imagine that the fallout of my death will result in much other than a few people saying meh and wondering why I wanted to tie it.

but thats usually what happens, you should probably feel exhausted like this was a long day. because anyone who gets spotlighted and isnt frozen the day feels like a long interview.

the detail is that you wont need to read my iso when im dead. you only need to read the people who didnt buy me being scum. folks like yav, damo, and yea even you rivera.

you guys likely are hiding a scum in your crew. not intentionally but theres almost always a white knight.

[Jamiet99uk]

Note: My isos are all up to the end of N2, because there has been so much D3 spam that it's hard to read after EoN2 currently.

[brainbomb]

for scum rn they wanna look like they could buy me being scum, so they dont look too valiant. theyd wanna push wagons that realistically wont actually go as counterwagons like moscow, flav, jamie

xorxes being a counterwagon could mean im up against scum but im rather resigned to the idea of dying. In a way I want to die now because if I cant convince folks why theyre wrong I derive a strange satisfaction out of seeing people who think theyre brilliant get publicly shamed for it. Its nice seeing people fume and squirm over things they did wrong. it adds character.

Failure makes people learn the hard way that meta doesnt work on me. :)

[Jamiet99uk]

Here is the iso of Rdrivera2005:

P2: Wants to lynch lurkers on D2 and D3. Votes for Moscow for a jokey reason.

P3: Explains his Moscow vote was a joke. Challenges Damo to explain in his own words why he agreed with Bozo's observations on Vapour.

P4: Doesn't like Damo. Thinks Vecna is clueless too.

P6: Still doesn't like Damo.

P7: Explains to Xorxes why a policy lynch D1 is bad.

P9: Scumleans Vecna, Dargorygel, Damo. Townleans Vapor, Bozo.

P10: Votes Vecna.

P12: Challenges Worcej to offer something. Accuses Damo of fake participation.

P14: Thinks Vecna is weird for asking for Durga's help.

P15: Again explains (now to Neph) his thoughts on lynching lurkers. Vecna is still his top scumread.

P16: Is angry about Damo voting for him. Claims he is "putting in some effort".

P17: Abandons the Vecna wagon.

P23: Tells Claesar to stop tunelling on Ezio. Wonders if his scumread on Vecna is OMGUS.

P27: Is now sure Vapor is town.

P38: Scumleans me and Brain. Still doesn't like Damo. Scumreads Worcej.

P39: Doesn't want the wagons to consolidate until EoD.

P51: Townreads Claesar. Is "not convinced" on Worcej. Wants to lynch Durga.

P54: Now he thinks Worcej is town but hedges his read with "I could be wrong". Expresses concern about lurkers again. Doesn't like people getting a "free pass" when they're not active.

P56: Scumreads Yav because of "vibes".

P58: Passionately opposes a lynch of Moscowfleet, who isn't around. This is weird given his previous preference for lynching a lurker D2, and his complaint on P54 about absent people getting a "free pass" while not doing anything.

Is not sure about Nethpys.

P59: Agrees with my comment that most of his posts so far have appeared fake.

P67: Says "we can't give free passes for people playing like Durga and Moscow". This is super weird since on P58 he really didn't want a Moscow lynch.

P77: Says he's afraid of being nightkilled.

Was not nightkilled.


Conclusion: Rdrivera2005 appears likely to be SCUM to me. He makes a lot of short posts, low on detail, his reads are very hedgy and go back and forth as if he's just trying to go with the flow, he claimed he was making loads of effort D1 but his posts seemed very low-effort, he's very contradictory, talks about lurkers a lot and complains about absent players whilst simultaneously defending them against lynch.

[brainbomb]

I get it. unexcusable. narcissist. all bbs fualt. no one to blame. nothing to be gleaned. all that.

of course you can tell yourself whatever you like to avoid ever feeling responsible for misreads.

nonetheless. you should always mitigate what youd think if x flips town no matter how certain you are. and its inadviseable to talk about it due to hedging acccusation. but keep notes.

always good to have thoughts ready so you have a direction. egg on the face is actually town indicative

[Jamiet99uk]

I currently believe the scum are in this pool:

Claesar
Brainbomb
Worcej
Xorxes
Rdrivera
Damo

[Jamiet99uk]

Oops I realise I still have an endvote.

##UNEND

##CALL GM: Can we have an official Vote Count please? You really do need to post them occasionally, you know. C'mon.

[Jamiet99uk]

Sadly that's probably the last Iso I have time for today. I will do everyone else that's left, if I can, during the night phase. Most importantly Xorxes, Worcej, and Flav.

[FlaviusAetius]

but if you think youve caught scum give it some passion.

No joke read your story, had a welling of compassion for you and everything you said. Made me think of you in a very positive way. This guy just dumped his heart into telling this and I feel for him. He's clearly just as upset about being labeled scum and no one believes him, just like my own situation.

Then I remember that we are playing a game. And you're good at it. And your story made me want to believe you and lynch someone else.

##vote brainbomb - because I actually respect your ability at this game and that personal story made you personable, which naturally makes people want to believe you regardless of their suspicions.

OH MY GOD, AND I WAS JUST ABOUT TO UNVOTE HIM AND SWITCH

[Jamiet99uk]

My lynch preference is:

1. Brainbomb or Claesar (most scummy)
2. Xorxes or Worcej (most informative lynches)
3. Rdrivera
4. Damo666

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, are you guys all a bunch of INTJs or something? limited at best social lives? idgi. but im an ENFP and Im on a diff wavelength of human understanding.

damo is probably scum
so after I flip he needs to die. thats my final wish.

Which is WHY we NEED to kill you, it reveals an OBVIOUS mafia; damo.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, are you guys all a bunch of INTJs or something? limited at best social lives? idgi. but im an ENFP and Im on a diff wavelength of human understanding.

I don't believe in astrology. When it comes to my friends however I'm one of the most giving, supportive, loving people you'd meet. True facts bro.