MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[FlaviusAetius]

Can I see the votes right now? Im at school and the peterbot link is blocked on my school laptop

[Jamiet99uk]

Can I see the votes right now? Im at school and the peterbot link is blocked on my school laptop

brainbomb (4)- Jamiet99uk*, bozotheclown, FlaviusAetius, Vaporwave

xorxes (3)- rdrivera2005, dargorygel, yavuzovic

Jamiet99uk (2)- worcej, Claesar

damo666 (1)- brainbomb

Vaporwave (1)- damo666

[rdrivera2005]

how do you both feel about rivera, yavuz and flavius

I am sure my PM says VT.

I am pretty sure Yav is scum, probably the only wagon I can swap from Xorxes now.

Flavius doesn't look as a newbie scum, so either he is a great player or he is town. Anyway, not a good lynch for today.

[damo666]

how do you both feel about rivera, yavuz and flavius

I am sure my PM says VT.

I am pretty sure Yav is scum, probably the only wagon I can swap from Xorxes now.

Flavius doesn't look as a newbie scum, so either he is a great player or he is town. Anyway, not a good lynch for today.

Of the three yav most likely to be scum but all 3 could well be town.

[brainbomb]

how do you both feel about rivera, yavuz and flavius

I am sure my PM says VT.

I am pretty sure Yav is scum, probably the only wagon I can swap from Xorxes now.

Flavius doesn't look as a newbie scum, so either he is a great player or he is town. Anyway, not a good lynch for today.

at night do you ever find yourself enjoying the company of a very supremely vivacious man with exceptional health?

[brainbomb]

im assuming vitatlity man is percy. or father fleming

[Jamiet99uk]

It is now time to do an iso on Dargorygel. This could be important as he's been a major wagon at times.

P1: Shows up early, votes Vapor, gets involved in the usual early shitposting.

P2: Gets serious and accuses Rdrivera of OMGUS. Odd that he reacted seriously to what was apparently a joke vote on Moscow by Rdrivera.

P5: Accuses Vecna of defending Vaporwave. Votes me (Electromoose)

P6,7: Now doesn't want to see Vaporwave lynched today. Withdraws his comment on Vecna. Questions Durga's strong townread on Xorxes.

P9: Votes Worcej because he "expects better". Page 9 and already this is Darg's third vote.

From there, however, he is absent until Night.

P21: Asks sensible questions of Claesar and Yavu who are behaving as if they have magic knowledge (Claesar does this constantly, of course).

P27: Defends himself to Damo in a somewhat buddying fashion. Defends Rdrivera to Vaporwave but with good reason as Vapor's vote was crappy. Wants to lynch Brainbomb.

P33: Now does not want to lynch Brainbomb. Thinks Brain is coaching Flav. Scumreads Xorxes and Worcej. Votes Worcej.

P33: Purports that Vecna would have wanted to lynch Yavuzovic, Rdrivera, or Claesar.

P34: Questions me about my feeling that the Doc should counter-claim Vapor.

P35: Feels that Worcej is too meh to be town.

P36: Calls on Durga and asks her about Vapor. Describes Claesar as "a salad" which is fair.

P37: Presses me to answer about the Doc thing.

P38,39: Continues to accuse Worcej of being disengaged. Declares he's happy to be a counterwagon to Worcej.

P52: Says he's opposed to the idea of vote consolidation prior to EoD, becuase scum can manipulate it. Also has gone from scumreading to townreading Claesar. Hmm.

Scumreads me for not engaging in "relational analysis". Scumreads Yav for being confident.

P55: Repeats his scumread on Worcej.

P56,57: Has an extended argument with Worcej.

P66: Defends, to Bozo, his willingess to be a counterwagon, because it would be revealing.

P76: Is still certian of Worcej but notes he doesnt' want to tunnel. Not impressed with Xorxes.

Does a detailed survey of all the Doc claim stuff. This causes him to now townread Xorxes and conclude that I can't be scum with Worcej.


Conclusions

I townlean on Dargorygel. His offer to be a wagon vs Worcej seems very towny and he has seemed involved and solvey. I don't think he can be scum with Worcej - if they are scum together then that was some high-quality theatre.


@Dargorygel: What caused you to change your read on Claesar?

[Jamiet99uk]

Moscowfleet is the lowest poster still alive so I will iso him next.

[FlaviusAetius]

Moscow attacked me in the beginning of the game, I like these little investigations, let's find out why...

[FlaviusAetius]

Also @brain you should do one on Jamie so that way everyone gets one done, this is the kind of thing I was talking about earlier, instead of just accusing, lets get down and look at the evidence

[FlaviusAetius]

Also sorry guys I wasnt on last night my dad shut off the wifi...long story

[Jamiet99uk]

Here is Moscow:

P1: Jokevotes Rdrivera for smelling weird. Moves his jokevote to Flavius for being excited.

P2: Buddies Claesar.

P7: Townreads Vapour. Still wants to lynch Flav.

P8: Seems to have gotten serious now and questions Flav for sheeping Darg.

Vanishes for many pages.

P30: Checks in. Admits to being useless. Jokes that he might be scum hoping to get a free pass.

P76: Returns after a long absence. Has some reads but they're only up to date as of page 37.

Hasn't posted since.


Conclusion: Moscowfleet has been worse than useless. More than half of his posts wre in the first two pages. Could he indeed be scum hoping to get a free pass? SCUMLEAN.

[Jamiet99uk]

Rdrivera shall be next.

[worcej]

like I dont understand what your doing bozo. youre digging up shit from other games to bury me when im already probably flipping anyway. time is a resource. if you find those to be damning gotcha moments then shouldnt you be focusing on my scumteam. my wifom or spew.

Problem is you spew so much that there isn't much wifom to find and believe...

[worcej]

worcej - Was super emotional and is now just silent. no leadership. no signs of frustration anymore. Hes just doimg nothing now. scum

claesar - Town. for the fact he stuck to a tunnel from early on about ezio. I dont think Claesar is very with it, as far as meta. he just goes for people he knows and I think isnt very sure whats even going on.

moscow - Nonexistant?

damo - Very off and on whatever is popular. buzzes around, and acts like the fonz.

xorxes - I dont think hes town. He should have a number of scumreads and he doesnt.

flavius - I dont think he understands how to play. so ill just go with null for lack of fear of expressing opinion. Thats semi towny.

yavuz I really dont see why hes town. hes treating my flip with such caution and TMI.that hes probably scum

bozo. the level of digging your doing is towny inherently. but its also just beating a dead horse. we already know im anti town. and me being anti town is pretty much just a symptom of my disdain for this community. And yea im butthurt at losing twice as scum. but being willing to suicide is how I always play. im a very fatalistic person. You dont know me. you dont really understand me. the fact yoir excited to unearth what you think are smoking guns on me is pretty good though.

1. Never been a leader.
2. Work > Internet, sorry.
3. Reading and brooding on a case right now. Shockingly, it isn't actually you BB.

[worcej]

@everyone
IF there were guns in this game...and IF you had one, who would you shoot?

I would (no offense,man) shoot worcej. His flip would clear Jamiet... and we could analyze his connections, defenses, attacks, and loose change.

None taken. This is a great question actually.

I would shoot bozo right now. Working to articulate a better case than just that, but I have this vibe that reminds me of the time it was down to rdr and him as scum with ND, Bo_, and myself as the last town.

[bozotheclown]

Not that we wanna avoid lynching him if hes a wolf, but wouldnt scum be worse for wear losing an active scum rather than an absent one?

that kinda makes damo look fishy.

##Vote damo

I think brainbomb is moving off his top couterwagon so that he has more control at EOD. It concerns me that worcej is also off the top wagons, if I am right about them as a scum pair, it allows them to swing the lynch at EOD.

[brainbomb]

how does erasing my counterwagon empower me to have control?

thatd be like if I ate a huge steak dinner because I dont eat meat

[brainbomb]

Im.unclear on what you want me to be doing other than dying and flipping.

[dargorygel]

@ brain
If I read your question right... you are asking what will I do when you flip town... I expect that I will mutter a couple of 'I told you so' comments...

Will it change my view of every read or accusation you made? Not really. People can be town and wrong.
It will perhaps make me trust you a bit more... even though I read you as town, I know you as a clever and sklled dramatist. I won't have any doubts about your towncred, obviously.

@Jamiet
You asked why I switched a bit on Claesar. As I recall I have had a number of times that I have leaned town on Claesar. I find when I read his comments my first reaction is often townie. It's upon reflection, and in this game at least, upon the realization that he doesn't feel as focussed... follow-through... not responding to responses to him... Those later thoughts have pulled me back to a scum read.

Alos... you have observed but not reacted to my "Jamiet vs worcej or vape" theory... whadda you think? Am I at least logical? Even if it is you yourself I am talking about...