MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[Vaporwave]

it's amazing how many things you can become in America, this sort of thing would never happen anywhere

where I live you get to screw up once, maybe twice, then it's over.

Put yourself on your knees and thank whoever you believe in that you were born in the US.

You're American, be grateful for this amazing privilege that millions don't have or can't get.

[Percy Williams]

That was beautiful Brainbomb.

why do I wanna keep playing mafia with complete strangers who are unfriendly, not talkative, and just basically talk like the same dickheads ive had to suffer thru all my natural life?

Allow me to answer: because sometimes, they listen to you and appreciate what you do.



Brainbombs song “Vanilla game” analyzed by Percy

they said they want a game without pr

they made a game with items not pr



So far, the artist has set up a conversational tone, where they are chatting directly to the audience, and creates a beautiful rhyming couplet. He also makes use of the colloquially used ambiguous “they” creating some anaphora right in the beginning, making this a well crafted opening, when it comes to rhetorical devices. This beginning also includes a double meaning in the phrase “With Items not PR”. This could be interpreted as the game including Items which are usable by the players in game, or could be referring to a part or “item” which is not PR. This is interestingly one of the only times the artist uses the term “PR”.[d]




so they want a game without any mechanical talk

only a doc 3 scum and a hooker for roleblock


Here we get the matching rhyming couplet to complete the quatrain, with the rhymes not alternating, an interesting choice for this format. We can observe that the first couplet [e][f][g][h][j][k][l][m]sets up this clear dissonance between the request made by the unknown “They”, and the resulting game. This couplet clarifies the request, and almost mocks them and makes a statement on modern society, with the request being to simplify the game by removing mechanical talk, yet including a “doctor” and “Hooker” role, contradicting itself. The modern human wants ease of use and simplicity, but is so averse to change that they undermine their own goals.




but what they really want

what they really need explained

is whats a plain setup

and what is

a

vanilla game


Here there is a very clear beat change, which leaves the rhyme scheme behind and Talks directly to the audience informing the listener of what “they” don’t know. He uses this method to inform the reader that the real issue is the apathy people have, and their lack of knowledge about the terms used to communicate. Here, the audience is directly told that “they” Don’t know the difference between a “Plain setup” and a “Vanilla Game”, but the artist also uses a vague term themselves “they”, which shows that even the audience doesn’t really know what is going on, despite being told this story.


oh what is a vanilla game?

is it mountainous

or plain

is it low pr

or insane

and is there room for a 1 shot day vig deathproof arnsonist poisoner serial killer with flavor name?

because if not

this is not

a true

vanilla game


Here we find a return to the rhyme scheme as we are back in the normal story, experiencing the exploration of what a vanilla game truly means, questioning whether a vanilla game is insane or simple. This exploration comes to the conclusion that it is imperative that there is room for a “ 1 shot day vig deathproof arnsonist poisoner serial killer with flavor name” or it is not a vanilla game. This is another line with double meaning, being a Spoof of posers in the Vanilla game community, while also showing that it is more important to be accepting than to rigidly adhere to the standards of a “Vanilla Game”




they said they want a game to appease demands for many who have planned to complain about the lack of real vanilla games…


they said the setups are too fun we need less to think or solve because this is mafia



Here there is an echo to the simplification people want, as well as an examination of the consequences for not complying with Vanilla game rules, with an additional use of “they” to describe a different group. In this case “They” are the people who made this game. There are people who have “planned to complain” which shows it is only the social stigmas that are really holding us to this strict format



day 1 is meant to be shit posts and mspaint and less inane topics son


day 2 is meant to be silent

day 3 theres 4 subs

day 4 we hammered

day 5 we modkilled brainbomb

day 6 I discovered our main prob



Here is the analysis and predictions that the artist makes about the game. It starts with people posting randomly with no fear, then has a quiet day. Day 3 creates a high turnover rate for the game, because of the “silent day”. The silent day can also be a reference to their sadness for their town fellow’s death, or a “moment of silence”. This is where the artist would be subbed in, with presumably other subs as well. Day four is predicted to be cut short, this is an interesting line when you take into account some outside knowledge about the author. During this time,the artist was concerned with the length of vanilla games, and his hammering once he is subbed in is symbolic of him taking his fate into his own hands, as he is fixing the problem he sees in the vanilla game. When the Hammer is inevitably on the wrong person, The artist begins to act erratically and irrationally, getting himself modkilled. It isn’t until after his death that he discovers the real problem, just like “they” don’t know the real problem until they can’t do anything about it or are dead.


its a vanilla game

but its still

the

Same


The artist is able to predict what will happen because every game is the same, and although this one is vanilla, because of how unwilling to change we all are, the games are all the same.



ezio still lurking

emc still scummy

durga still angry

ghug still kinda douchey

Ike still wishin he was scum

flash still wishin the same

vaporwave still spamming

and dargogargo is ashamed

we got Tom bomb shredding mafia

rivera sayin nothin

xorxes solved the entire game while eating a tasty muffin

jamie thinks the whole games scum for typos in their posts

and bozo sees what bozo wants and proceeds to chase the ghosts…


This is a continuation of the Artist’s illustration that all the games are the same, this is how the characters act, and how they will act, in an eternal cycle.


Vanilla game

vanilla game

vanillaa game

Tumbleweeds



This is the only time the artist repeats a line next to each other, and shows how they are all the same vanilla game repeated. He also puts the lines next to tumbleweeds, showing that when characters all act the same, they have no agency, and don’t really exist, as tumbleweeds signify a ghost town with no people in it. This can also show how the cycle will repeat until there are no more games to be had and it all comes to an end. Finally, this last part of the song shows a warning that the result is undesirable, like a desert and will lead to nothing good, and arguably the vanilla game and tumbleweeds are the same.



In conclusion, this is a masterpiece about the apathy and confusion of the modern human, and the cyclical nature of a world that wants better things, but that is unwilling to change, where people don’t realize that the most important thing is to be accepting rather than to meet people’s expectations.

[dargorygel]

Many +1's to bb for his openness. Hoping for you as you are, man.

[brainbomb]

that narration was so heartwarming I feel compelled to compose a part 2. or a actually record the damn song

[Jamiet99uk]

Brainbomb stop spamming the thread with your semi-fictional life story. It's not relevant to the game. You are so narcissistic it's really quite sad.

[brainbomb]

Durga
Day-2 01:20
page 68 / orig Currently, I'm feeling pretty good about vapor, damo and maybe bozo as town. I think even yavuz is probably town
Durga
Day-2 01:17
page 68 / orig worcej why aren't you at my throat this game

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Durga
Day-2 01:00
page 69 / orig Why is xorx scum reading Darg

##vote worcej

Durga
Day-2 00:36
page 70 / orig Maybe we should lynch xorx

Durga
Day-2 00:16
page 71 / orig We're probably wrong if it's so dead

##vote darg

Durga
Day-2 00:15
page 71 / orig
↑FlaviusAetius: "yes! those two are gods at this game, would be interesting to watch"
we should actually lynch this dude

count please
Durga
Day-2 00:13
page 71 / orig I'm feeling a scum Jamiet.

The whole blowing up over the stupid fake claim doc thing is just ridiculous

Scumreads: xorx, darg, worcej, jamie, flavius

worcej (3) Nephthys dargorygel damo666
dargorygel (3) rdrivera2005 xorxes Vaporwave
No‑Lynch (1) MoscowFleet
Vaporwave (1) Claesar
Durga (1) FlaviusAetius

Day 1

bo_sox48 (5) xorxes Vaporwave bozotheclown bo_sox48 Durga
yavuzovic (3) Nephthys damo666 Vecna
ElectronicMoose (2) FlaviusAetius rdrivera2005
FlaviusAetius (1) MoscowFleet
Ezio (1) Claesar*
worcej (1) dargorygel
No‑Lynch (1) yavuzovic
Vecna (1) worcej
bozotheclown (1) ElectronicMoose
End-votes (1/16): Claesar


Notes: Yav wagon is mostly dead now. Only damo666 is still alive from day 1 yav wagon.

Nephthys (6) Jamiet99uk worcej yavuzovic brainbomb bozotheclown Durga

bozo lynched both dead town so far and will be part of lynching me also.

Claesar has never made an impact on any major lynch
Moscow isnt relevant

presumably durga had some accurate reads on scum, which probably means its just xorxes. I could see worcej being scum with yavuz here too.

[damo666]

Decent post from brainbomb there.

[damo666]

Percy execellent stuff.

[brainbomb]

reading xorxes Day 2 hes town
##Unvote

xorxes
Day-2 27:20
page 42 / orig
↑bozotheclown: "Sorry I missed EOD. bo_sox self voting when he was already the top wagon was odd, it looks like he did not even know th..."
What do you make of rivera's wagon disappearing? The wagon was Vecna-Durga-damo, and Durga was the first one to leave. Do you think scum Durga was maybe bussing and then protecting teammate rivera, or something else

xorxes
Day-2 27:12
page 42 / orig
↑bozotheclown: "Durga switching from rdrivera back to bo_sox after damo made the vote close by voting for rdrivera does look questionabl..."
If ElectronicJamiet or rivera are scum then scum did have a reason to solidify the bo lynch. If not, Durga's back and forth looks more towny

these observations are analytical and not forced.

rammar.
xorxes
Day-2 25:38
page 43 / orig
↑damo666: "Your early exchanges with V. Only a slight suspicion tbh.

I'm struggling to come up with 4 scum. Most players seem town..."
Leaning strong town on damo and Neph at the moment, because of EOD and general demeanor.

I don't like Moscow being away today but I suppose we can wait one day.

Durga and rivera are hard to read. I can see al least one of them being scum but I don't have anything concrete.

brainbomb becomes more obvious after someone flips scum because he has opinions about everybody.

bozo seems like his methodical self, but that's not too hard to fake as scum. Could be.

I'm keeping an eye on Jamiet. I didn't like Ezio at all but him being replaced means we can't really attribute anything nefarious to his absence.

Flavius, Yavu, Claesar, Vapor, worcej, dargo...

Yeah, I think I need to keep reading.

This is a whole lot of fluff however

xorxes
Day-2 24:08
page 44 / orig
↑Nephthys: "I'm never gonna be able to lead cause I'm bad at writing cases. You should however know from previous games that these p..."
It comes with time. It used to be the case that nobody followed my lead ever, and nowadays people sheep me like lemmings even when I don't want them to.

It could be that xorx is annoyed that 2 scum buddies followed him on bo, (bozo, vapour) but for the sake of changing todays menu, ill go ahead and try seein if xorx is town.

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xorxes
Day-2 01:34
page 67 / orig
↑bozotheclown: "I voted for bo_sox before he self voted and I missed EOD, but if I was around I do not think I would have liked his self..."
I think only Durga and I were around at EOD from that wagon, and Durga did move around a bit. I expected bo to change his vote as soon as a counterwagon became viable. Voting for the only person you can be sure is town is anti-town and only acceptable as a strategy, and so it's more likely to be done by scum than by town.

The problem was there were too few people around at EOD and so his wagon was too hard to overcome. I'm not sure what bb expected me to do, I would have voted for Electronic or Ezio if bo had made some minimal effort.

Why was he the option though? bo is a good player. I dont get why in this player pool youd risk killing a game solver. it just bothers me this went down day 1 still.

xorxes
Day-2 00:47
page 69 / orig
↑Durga: "I'm having extreme difficulty reading Claesar's allignment"
He had two townie moments: the private time townslip that looked legit, and the way he reacted to being a wagon, that I bought as towny

This is a reachy read tbh. I cant see what scum motive you would have to try to pocket claesar or whatever this is intended but I can see this being a forced read.


Towny in the fact that xorxes is very stern and unopposed on reasoning for why dargo is scum

I don't mind the worcej vs dargo wagons actually

Townreading damo, Neph and Vapor. Claesar had some towny moments as well.

@Xorxes
reads on yavuz, flavius, Jamie, and Rivera?

[brainbomb]

yea but the xorxes day3 ISO is a lot of heavy handed absurdity.
##Vote xorxes

I tried buddy but no dice

[brainbomb]

the folks xorx talks about least are yavuz, moscow, Jamie.

he could have damo or claesar on his scumteam but probably not bozo

[Jamiet99uk]

yea but the xorxes day3 ISO is a lot of heavy handed absurdity.
##Vote xorxes

I tried buddy but no dice

What in particular turns him from a D2 townread, to a D3 scumread?

[dargorygel]

Ok... so in response (at least temporally) to my request for different avenues of investigation (beyond meta and voting) we seem to be wandering into 'connections.'

This could be good.

@Jamiet... more ISOs from you?

[dargorygel]

... and I'm hoping to read more gunshot wishes...

[brainbomb]

yea but the xorxes day3 ISO is a lot of heavy handed absurdity.
##Vote xorxes

I tried buddy but no dice

What in particular turns him from a D2 townread, to a D3 scumread?

Seemingly out of nowhere his posts and focus turn into blanket certainties that make no sense. he just starts coloring the map with pre flip determinations.

Ill highlight those but first:

xorxes
Day-3 26:45
page 90 / orig
↑brainbomb: "I started playing on a different site and it was interesting. I am an active player now on 4 diff forums. I think im pro..."

That's so ridiculuous. You have lots of fans here and you know it.

I really dont. I have a core of like 4 or 5 people who play my simulators and like talking to me but most of them arent even in this, Ike, squiggs, reedeer, espi.

​"When I play other places people find me funny and skilled at mafia. I caught all 4 scum in a recent game and got fearkil..."
You're usually funny when you're town. When you're scum you try to imitate yourself and you end up going overboard.

Where have I imitated myself. he doesnt provide examples he just uses the gone overboard but without the impetus.

​"Its easier when players try, and when players have imaginations, even overractive ones"
I don't think we have had that many lurkers in this game. Currently Moscow is the only one that has not given us anything substantial to read him. The others are already dead or replaced.

This is quite inaccurate with a cursory glance at VCA alone.

And finally as promised the post he made, as it was colorized:

[brainbomb]

This is where I'm at at the moment, If brainbomb is scum it's probably something like this:

xorxes (5) rdrivera2005 damo666 brainbomb dargorygel yavuzovic
brainbomb (4) Jamiet99uk* bozotheclown FlaviusAetius Vaporwave
Jamiet99uk (2) worcej Claesar

Non-votes: MoscowFleet xorxes

I'm pretty sure about my townreads, not so sure if all the scum are correct, but most of them should be.

What exactly does the orange mean as far as determinations. How does my scum.flip turn people orange?

[brainbomb]

Most of xorxes reads of scum I agree with. so im trying to figure out what exactly he thinks my strategy is. The whole derp moment where he acts like he was a nk candudate. and actually asks me why we thought he was a doc are very tryhard for him
hes taking the angle of that I was sincere in my profession to be scum, and basically piggy backing off of how bozo is playing hammer the nail and bury the victim stuff. Xorxes takes the same approach but doesnt vote me and delves right into clearly spurrious at best pre flip analysis

[brainbomb]

in the event xorxes flips scum were left with a confusing cornucopia of leads as to whom his team is


Id say theres a decent shot that scum is claesar, damo, xorxes, vapor, based on how hes layering his reads and based on how theyre playing.

[brainbomb]

but theres also a world where its jamie, worcej, xorx, flavius

[dargorygel]

@Claesar... you been busy irl? You began this game with plenty of posts... and some usual methodogical analysis. But then you fell asleep. While this might not be AI, it seems odd enough to bring some shade on you. Whatcha got?