MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[yavuzovic]

I thought Worcej was Doctor because he softclaimed rather blatantly. I suppose Worcej is scum then.

That's interesting because I too think worcej is scum who left a small worm to eat later, so he could claim doc whenever he wants. My point is that flavius was excessively protective towards worcej. I think the scumteam is shaping up in my mind.

No no it wasn't worcej who I was talking about or maybe he is, tbh I don't remember who I'm talking about. There was an earlier doc crumb Jamie was talking earlier.

[Claesar]

Yep
well thats great. alrighty then. this was fun.

We really shouid do more of these vanilla games

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By the way no sign of durga, xorxes, claesar, or yav at this flip.

almost like they knew they were fine no matter who died?

I live in Europe. I didn't lynch our Doc. What did you do?

[Claesar]

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This is a major contradiction. If your goal was to lynch anyone except Nephthys, why vote for him when you could have lynched worcej or dargorygel? Although you only tied the vote, your vote for Nephthys resulted in him being lynched, because if you had not voted for Nephthys, Durga or I would not have been able to break the tie by voting for Nephthys.

I'm with you on this. Brainbomb has been contradicting his own posts this game.

[Claesar]

And in my opinion, even those who voted for Nephthys yesterday should agree our next two lynches should be from these six:

Final Vote Count
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Nephthys (6) bozo, brain, durga, jamie, worcej, yavu

Some of us are obviously following scum into the abyss. Who are the sheep and who are the wolves?

[yavuzovic]

FLAVIUS AETIUS ISO

I disagree, by the way, we should kill lurkers first... That way we get the most information on those who are talking

You say so, what information could we take from lurkers, I'm curious if there's another way to read lurkers because although it's very likely scum to lurk, I don't think we can get good information from them.

Most of his posts are useless during day 1 since they are mostly irrelevant things.

Listen I am completely new to this game, so I decided to follow someone who was more experienced at this game than I, and try to provide feedback where I could, after watching the first parts of this game, I think I'm definitely ready to play a more active role(especially since my easter is over as well)

Admitting he was sheeping. I think admitting is town indicative but I'm not immediately townreading him and just a little towncred is added to the general read.

Honestly, Vapor probably isn't a mafia, he's made an impassioned defense of himself and like you said @brainbomb yesterday, when someone is accused the truth comes out, as they desperately defend themselves, I think he did that quite well.

I don't recognize this as a clue. Vapor did prove nothing and being accused doesn't make anyone town, since scum will also defend themselves with all their power.
This doesn't make flav scum but apparently it's not a good read - or maybe he was trying to find something to townread Vapor from nothing.

yes! those two are gods at this game, would be interesting to watch

Crappy, they both have chance to be mafia so don't accept everything coming out of their mouths (technically keyboards) true. I really don't recommend you to care them like "gods at this game" because they are not.

"Vapor is hard town if he did ask for a sub, just look at how annoyed he got at me tunneling him last game and now this. ..."

Totally agreed, he isn't a scum, Im sure if he was, he would of made more of an effort to keep playing the game

Regardless Vapor is scum or not (I think scum) flav supports Neph's toenread on him, even though they're not even talking about the same thing. Because we don't really have mechanics we can talk about, I try to catch the scumslips from the players who knows who is who. I think this is a small, less AI scunslip from FlaviusAetius. one eyebrow raised

I firmly am of the belief that if someone left the game, its highly likely they arent scum

That was answered, passing through.

I think we have several people to decide between tomorrow namely being Cleasar(apparently), Jamie(apparently, someone who I wouldn't have expected, but since we cant assume people who got replaced, could actually be scum, we have to be careful), yav(a lot of people keep going after him, I think we need to lay the evidence out for him) and we should keep a lookout for darg as well... I think brainbomb thinks he's a town, and I think he's right about that, but still worth taking another look

He says.. but ends the day on Durga, not any of more crowded wagons. Was he trying to lay and idea but avoid informative votes?


Im tired and busy, flavius will stay on my radar but I cut the ISO here.

[yavuzovic]

I apologise for extra quotes, I copy pasted a lot and later forgot they were there.

[Jamiet99uk]

And in my opinion, even those who voted for Nephthys yesterday should agree our next two lynches should be from these six:

Final Vote Count
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Nephthys (6) bozo, brain, durga, jamie, worcej, yavu

Some of us are obviously following scum into the abyss. Who are the sheep and who are the wolves?

People who know themselves to be town, should not agree to be lynched.

[damo666]

And in my opinion, even those who voted for Nephthys yesterday should agree our next two lynches should be from these six:

Final Vote Count
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Nephthys (6) bozo, brain, durga, jamie, worcej, yavu

Some of us are obviously following scum into the abyss. Who are the sheep and who are the wolves?

Of the six I think bozo and durga are town. Not sure who is scummiest of remaining 4. Brain's EOD was odd. Jamie Townlean. I always think yav and saucy are scum.

[damo666]

I know who I'm voting for tomorrow if neither they or I am NKd and it's not one of the six. However if they are NKd I probably will vote for one of the six.

[MoscowFleet]

Read until page 37, so far townreading brain, damo, yaz, and Jamie. Scumreading xorxes, Claesar and Durga, and to a lesser degree Flavius, who I think is pushing his newbie card a bit far. I won’t lie, I had Nephthys as scummy as well before my curiosity got the better of me and I checked the bot. Rip.

My flight is taking off now. As much as I’d like to, I’m not paying $7 for wifi, so will catch up on the rest when I’m home. Adios for now.

[dargorygel]

Even more sure of worcej.
But I will try not to tunnel tonight, and look elsewhere.

Not extremely impressed with xorxes' work. But RL can interfere. Xorxes, whadda you think after the misslynch?

@everyone: And in this odd no-crowd-at-end-of-day/night... when should we post our last wills and testaments? Will scum have the same problem coordinating?

[Claesar]

It's still hilarious that some of the Nephthys lynchers were online during EOD. They all thought "I'm on this wagon with 5(!) of my fellow townies. What could go wrong? Scum isn't online during EOD and are all scattered. Can't even consolidate a wagon with the four of them! This is super plausible."

[Claesar]

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The people who were online during EOD and voting Nephthys are either scum or townies throwing intentionally.
Take. Your. Pick.
Bozo, Brainbomb, Jamie

[Claesar]

That said, I did some calculations and this game is over. We've been saying we can afford two more mislynches, but that's assuming everyone participates.

However, we have people still on page 37! That's not even halfway. Brainbomb and aJamie post faster than our town lurkers can read. Just like in the mini-game, it's over. I concede and will stop reading this thread. To preserve my own sanity.

[Jamiet99uk]

CLAESAR: FOR THE FOURTH TIME... WHAT WAS VAPOURWAVE'S "SCUMSLIP"??

[Jamiet99uk]

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The people who were online during EOD and voting Nephthys are either scum or townies throwing intentionally.
Take. Your. Pick.
Bozo, Brainbomb, Jamie

Defend this claim. How do you reach such a conclusion?

I am town. I created and pushed Netphys's lynch.

I am not attempting to throw the game.

Prove otherwise.

[damo666]

That said, I did some calculations and this game is over. We've been saying we can afford two more mislynches, but that's assuming everyone participates.

However, we have people still on page 37! That's not even halfway. Brainbomb and aJamie post faster than our town lurkers can read. Just like in the mini-game, it's over. I concede and will stop reading this thread. To preserve my own sanity.

Is this feigned defeatism from a scum hoping to demoralise town?

[dargorygel]

CLAESAR: FOR THE FIFTH TIME... WHAT WAS VAPOURWAVE'S "SCUMSLIP"??

[dargorygel]

It’s safe now to talk about the Doc claims. So here is a survey of the doc stuff. This is not meant to be a total look at everyone mentioned. But only a look through the lens of doc claims.

Seems to me that any doc crumbs are scum indicative. While someone might legit be pre-protecting a doc, I find that unlikely. Scum, though would have a good reason to drop some crumbs.

IF xorxes is scum, I’d expect him to be using his famed PR hunting skills to look for the doc. His vote was on me, and I didn’t crumb. So I have a townlean towards him.

Regarding Jamiet… I wasn’t satisfied with the sort of answer he gave about why he pushed hard on the only doc claim so early. Now that the doc is gone, maybe he has a better explanation.

But…

We have, to my eyes, two doc claims. Vapor, and worcej.

Vapor has attempted to explain away his claim as joke-posting. This is possible for Vape. But it also looks to me like a Vape move, as scum. Remember when vape used the vote-pull power early and naively against Jamiet a couple of games ago? This tastes like that, to me. “Hey… I’m scum! Maybe I should do a crumb!” And it backfired.

Worcej had a crumb, perhaps, that Jamiet pointed out. The all caps words in that posting Might emphasize SHOUT PR. So that later, he could point to it and cc the real doc. This didn’t play out, of course, because the doc got lynched.

Now I expect that the scummies were as startled by the docflip as the rest of us were. I think they got lucky, I don’t think that Neph crumbed at all. In fact, he acted very UNdoc-like. I’m not ready to call Nephy’s play ‘bad.’ But it was unusual…and perhaps that is how he was trying to hide his doc credentials.

But when I put those things together, it would be ludicrous for Jamiet AND either vape or worcej to be scum together. Either Jamiet is scum hunting for the PR… or one of the others is scum crumbing.

So tomorrow, I propose two wagons… Jamiet and either vape or worcej.

[brainbomb]

were definetely going to lose
durga and xorxes are scum

rivera is likely to be the nk