MAFIA 45 GAME THREAD - BETWEEN A ROCK AND A...ROCK

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm going to light the fire under the big cooking pot.

Who will be in the pot at dinnertime?

Unga bunga!

[Jamiet99uk]

Netscape, stop lurking and come in here and tell us why you're not scum.

Who's Netscape?

You know. Netphyllis, Netflix, Netphlaps. However you spell it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Nephthtyhtzozozozo

[Nephthys]

this is my last day of posting so I want at least to get 1 scum

Vapor is hard town if he did ask for a sub, just look at how annoyed he got at me tunneling him last game and now this. These are pure

[Nephthys]

would like to make the most of my posting, I won't have electricity in a day or two, so it will be impossible to post

waiting for the new guy to take over

oh nvm, not a rq.

Still probs town

[Nephthys]

You killed him to accuse me didn't you?

Scum yav attempting a trick here. ##vote yav

What exactly am I tricking though? It's Neph who's tricking with a well-designed nk. Do you think I would nightkill a person on my wagon, especially Vecna? Idc your and Neph's reads anymore. You're stuck in a tunnel and scumreading me for my "connections"

This is big right here. This post was literally aimed at worcej. This was indicated as the post two up was my case against him.

Yet here have yav focusing thats its about him? Why? Because as scum you are hyper aware of who is reading you and how they are reading you. As town not so much.

This is a very bad post

[Nephthys]

On brief VCA durga is town

What part about the vote makes you town read her?

[Nephthys]

Honestly, Vapor probably isn't a mafia, he's made an impassioned defense of himself and like you said @brainbomb yesterday, when someone is accused the truth comes out, as they desperately defend themselves, I think he did that quite well.

Also he said Vecna was his favourite player, so he probably wouldn't kill him, because he probably knows Vecna would have him last on his list

Probably the most intense change D1 -> D2. Not sure if it indicated scum intentionally playing dumb D1 or just getting his feet but I like this kind of post

[Nephthys]

#GM Note
I will not be taking action against Bo_sox as I believe he did not intend to go against his wincon. Although not excuted well, I believe he was trying to avoid people claiming he was scum, lying about being busy to throw an uncontested vote, and that he thought the power of Wifom would save him, causing everyone to move their votes.

##CALL GM: But he posted in the thread after he died. That's explicitly against the rules in all circumstances. The GM of the next game should consider him banned, for that game.

You're right, I forgot about that part, but I really messed up that adjudication since I didn't know I was going to be doing it until after it should have been done. I also didn't send him an official PM taking him he had died. He also didn't reveal anything in his post, or direct anyone to take any action. That should have been a Pm, or maybe separate thread, but I leave it to the next Gm, Nephthys, to cast the first stone.

I'll have a chat to bo and then carry this forward into the sign-up thread

[Nephthys]

21 / orig Hello there.
Jamiet99uk
Night-1 08:12
page 21 / orig I have read up to page 10, and to that point, I see one or perhaps two people softing or crumbing Doc. I also see one person, who should know better, apparently PR fishing, *cough* Bozotheclown. I see Moscow perhaps townslipping, or perhaps faking a townslip. Xorxes looks town.

I think lynching lurkers in this set up is a good idea. So far my slot has been king lurker, but that's gonna change.

I don't like Durga claiming that she is going to be drunk all week. This smells fake. She's currently TD for a major ongoing tournament, and has been replying promptly to messages and PMs about the tourney. I think she's relying on the fact that she's a frequent lurker, and anchoring. #2 scumread currently.

Alternate scumteam is Flav and Darg.

Interesting nobody responded to Ezio's item claim.

I am enjoying the amount of flavour. Only a minority of GMs (in which I include myself) take the time to put real work into the flavour, and I'm glad to see it here.

So you joined a game
rolled town?
and the first thing you hunted for was doc crumbs?

thats...

well, this has been my Ted talk folks

Jamie is likely scum here.

The initial blow up as well seemed fake to put it mildly.

[Nephthys]

Towncore coming through..

bozo/damo/dargo/durga/bomb/Neph

My gut tells me two scum are in this list. This game strikes me as scum leading a dumb town group more than a strong town group.

Why exactly two? Who do you think they are?

[Nephthys]

I'm worried about worcej though, I know we aren't suppose to read kills(someone said that), but what is more important is that...worcej isn't even defending himself...
That's >bad<

What is there to defend? Everyone is going after me for D1 actions and ~!~vibes~!~

D1 actions. You defend the D1 one actions. Why you did what you did and what made you think that.

[Nephthys]

Towncore coming through..

bozo/damo/dargo/durga/bomb/Neph

My gut tells me two scum are in this list. This game strikes me as scum leading a dumb town group more than a strong town group.

Okay durga, bozo are like definetely not leading anything. and dargo is utterly incapable of playing the way hes currently playing as scum.


damo I guess maybe is capable of this high volume evolution into being power wolf, but hes not even scummy.

and neph, I feel like hes not leading hes felt kinda whimpy in his posts.

so this assessment is a bit off

I'm never gonna be able to lead cause I'm bad at writing cases. You should however know from previous games that these pushes of mine are usually correct.

[Nephthys]

My gut tells me two scum are in this list. This game strikes me as scum leading a dumb town group more than a strong town group.

Okay durga, bozo are like definetely not leading anything. and dargo is utterly incapable of playing the way hes currently playing as scum.


damo I guess maybe is capable of this high volume evolution into being power wolf, but hes not even scummy.

and neph, I feel like hes not leading hes felt kinda whimpy in his posts.

so this assessment is a bit off

Agree to disagree then, but I believe dargo/neph are the scum in this group. Durga and bozo are NAI for the simple lack of much content compared to their normal town game (imo)

So you think half of the scum team decided to try and brute force your lynch? You haven't contributed anywhere near enough to have that level of respect.

[Nephthys]

hmm. can you show me specific posts where dargorygel looks scummy?

It probably won't look that scummy to you, but it was this post on D1:

Chaos day... not sure if I will be on consistently today, or at EoD.
My pressure vote on Electricified Mouse obviously did no good. Sort of expecting a newbie ModKill now.

My initial shade-view of Vapor is probably just my usual distrust of Vape. Not sure what to think of his ignoring of my bit of pressure on him early, but I think I would ignore me, too...

As usual... and If we were honest, it is all we usually have on D1.. going with gut feeling, and a wee bit o' meta analysis...

I expect more betterer from worcej, even this early. (I could also vote for ezio, bo, or durga on this basis...)

##VOTE WORCEJ

The bolded part struck me as a fabricated statement - I never put much effort in D1. In fact, numerous games I usually blow off D1 and start trying more later, so why does he expect more from me? When have I ever delivered a good D1?

So quick recap. The only reason you scumread me and darg is our interaction with you?

We dont live in a vaccum please wake up.

[Nephthys]

[snip...]
Worcej, though gets my morning joe vote. While part of me hates voting for someone on the basis of non-participation, worcej, where he IS posting only: argues with Vecna a LITTLE bit... mostly OMGUS...and then overnight makes some pro-GM posts. Worcej is better than this.

##VOTE worcej

Again, where do you get this feeling that I am better than what I put into this weekend?

Worcej seems a lot me when I am scum and got in defensive mode...

But I second the scum vibes from Dargo after that post, it doesn't seem natural and he prepared to jump in almost any ship that depart.

In fact, ##vote Dargo, him and Worcej being wagons could be interesting.

Claesar tunnel into Ezio isn't scummy per se, but his lack of engagement after Brain took over may be, not a bad wagon too.

@worcej, is rd scum as well now?

[Nephthys]

Interesting.

Damo calls for a Yav lynch. Neph votes for Yav, and then Damo joins.

Later Damo claims he wasn't the one who started the wagon.

What do you gotta say abou dah, Damio?

You will find that I initially posted the desire to lynch yav

[Nephthys]

Again, where do you get this feeling that I am better than what I put into this weekend?

Worcej seems a lot me when I am scum and got in defensive mode...

But I second the scum vibes from Dargo after that post, it doesn't seem natural and he prepared to jump in almost any ship that depart.

In fact, ##vote Dargo, him and Worcej being wagons could be interesting.

Claesar tunnel into Ezio isn't scummy per se, but his lack of engagement after Brain took over may be, not a bad wagon too.

I think you don't really know what my town game is rdr. I typically crack under pressure, put out a hard claim, and then get angry at people pushing me.

This time, I have nothing to HC because I've lied about it enough in the past to make xorxes and damo stop bothering and I am just pointing out I am an easy mislynch right now. Neph and dargo look like shit for this.

I've addressed darg's case, so here is Neph's case:

Yes yav is quite a decent scum possibility but today we should consider lynching worcej and that is probably the best cause so far.

- Vecna was the only person to seriously post against worcej from memory
- Worcej indicated that he wasn't keen to focus on lurkers, despite posting 3
times between that conversation and his post. This screams of looking for
cheap towncred.
- Has time to give feedback to the GMs about how to run the game but not time
to provide meaningful input
- His vote on Vecna was worthless. Vecna was not being scumread by anyone and
I showed last game that even when a lot of people consider him to be off he is
difficult to lynch, let alone D1 when he is the highest poster. It was an easy
option to go off wagon and not even attempt to bring someone else into
contention. This screams of scum that is content with the lynch.

I'll address each like so:

1. So? Just because Vecna shaded me and he was town immediately makes me scum? I said my position numerous times and I was clearly wrong. If being wrong is scum, I guess we're all going to be scum at some point this game.
2. Yes, I do not think focusing only on lurkers on D1 is wise - I stand by the theory that 'scum lurk on D1' is horseshit for our meta on webdiplo, unless you are looking at a normally strong town player (xorx and Vecna). Prior games confirm this behavior. Smart scum come out the bat and try to engage and make noise, thus why I looked closely at Vecna at first - he knows his late game is bad.
3. Yes, I did have time to post a comment about GMs on N1, but are you complaining that I didn't post much on N1? I posted more than MF and xorxes, while posting similar numbers and content (not identical counts, but content is damn close) as darg, Vecna, and Durga. What is your point about me not posting much during the night?
4. So because I voted on someone who was town, I am therefor scum? Your point makes little sense, just like the being wrong about Vecna theory means I am scum.

TL;DR - Neph's theory/reasoning behind me as scum comes off fabricated upon my read. It's all weak and it's an easy push to make since darg already started it.

So far, only one noob is sheeping darg still. If you want me to be a wagon, go for it - lynch me and confirm my town allignment, but then I want the next wagons to be Darg and Neph for sure on D3.

##vote darg

I mean once again, 90% sure I started it but w/e

[Nephthys]

Netscape, stop lurking and come in here and tell us why you're not scum.

Give me a chance to read...

[Nephthys]

TLDR.

Wagons today should be worcej/Jamie