MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

Just use the Peterbot and search:

Darg* scum*

It's not hard.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm sick of having to spoon feed people in this game. We should be on course for an easy town win here. Please let's not fuck it up.

[Vecna]

Emc claimed to have been saved.

Did you drive emc?

Nope. I drived Worcej and another player I will not disclose now. It would have been funny of Worcej killed himself.

Wait, did Jamiet just do a Tom bombadil?

[Nephthys]

Jamie, chill out man.

Most of the spoon feeding you are talking about has led to developments in the plan.

There's no need to get so annoyed. The only one at risk of throwing here is you.

[Vecna]

##GM NOTE

I see one GM Call. Here is the answer:

@Vecna: Anyone who survives a NK will be notified they survived it doesn’t matter if it’s an item, role, or save/s, etc.

Ok so EMC is likely the alien then, since I really cannot see anyone wasting their 1shot doc save on EMC on night 2. Not even EMC himself, given his total surprise that scum tried to kill him.

[Vecna]

Self vote everyone please

Jamiet, there is many ways in which this can fail, it's probably better to wait another day and kill Worcej today.

It can work with endvotes if Worcej is willing to selfvote and endvote, and then we execute it quickly when he's offline.

I agree there are a ton of ways for it to go wrong though

[Vecna]

Self vote everyone please

Jamiet, there is many ways in which this can fail, it's probably better to wait another day and kill Worcej today.

I agree, it is better to take care of worcej first.

Bozo appears really afraid of the plan working and appears to do everything to stop it.

[Vecna]

There are a limited number of ways you could survive the NK, the simplest is that you are the alien.

wouldn't I be really stupid if I claimed it as alien tho XD

I mean, idk if there's a gain for alien to claim the nk, but can't really think of one atm -- they'd be much better hidden if they didn't say anything since it'd leave scum and town guessing right?

Unless for wifom maybe?

I do not see what you are giving away by saying how you survived the NK. Do you know?

[dargorygel]

Vote Count 3.1
Worcej (4) yavuzovic, Vecna, Bozo, rdrivera
RagingIke297 (2) RagingIke, worcej
Nephthys (1) Nephthys
Jamiet99uk (1) Jamiet
e.m.c.^42 (1) emc
LordQuas (1) LQ
Thamrick (1) thamrick


Endvotes: 1/8 Jamiet99uk

Worcej has the most lynch votes so far.

Non voters: ezio, MoscowFleet, Percy WIlliams, Vapor
Non posters: Ezio, MoscowFleet
Around a day and a half remaining

[Vecna]

I would like to hear from intelligent people such as Vecna and Thamrick.

Everyone needs to selfvote. Then Worcej needs to endvote.

When Worcej isnt around, a quick succession of endvotes.

This will only work this way. If it comes to EOD it will go tits up, I guarantee it.

[Vecna]

I still think we all self vote today.

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

How about no

[Vecna]

As long as we say who we're voting for we should be able to sort things after EOD, we're trying to keep it simple and all self vote but as long as we don't all clump up on like 2 people we'll still be able to figure it out or narrow it down a bunch

There's no need to compromise.

All self vote.

Jamiet, take a breath and consider Bozo idea. With three votes neither Worcej or the Alien can swing the votes. All others votes for themselves and we can figure out the Alien (well, it still could be in the three Worcej voters but it narrows a lot). You can even name the three voters if you don't trust me and Bozo.

Hmmm

[Vecna]

I do like how now suddenly my plan I shared is being seen as good. I was scum for coming up with it right away but Xorxes was fine last game figuring out the political party separation

I didn't judge on that, but now that Jamiet claims he scanned you as being scum, and your acceptance of your fate, I am certain you are scum.

Is that some australian dropbear venom youre inhaling there? Thats some potent hallucinogens you are on my friend.

[Vecna]

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

Explain how this helps?

Self voting will not kill the alien, it just has the potential to identify him. If the alien infected N1 and his infected is still alive, the alien is not going to kill himself by leaving his vote on himself at EOD. Also, worcej has made it clear he is not going to cooperate by self voting. If you, me, and rdrivera (the uncced driver) vote for worcej while everyone else self votes, worcej will get lynched and the alien will still be identified if there is a N1 infected player around.

Yeah maybe I was too quick to disagree. This seems legit. I think?

[Vecna]

Explain how this helps?

Self voting will not kill the alien, it just has the potential to identify him. If the alien infected N1 and his infected is still alive, the alien is not going to kill himself by leaving his vote on himself at EOD. Also, worcej has made it clear he is not going to cooperate by self voting. If you, me, and rdrivera (the uncced driver) vote for worcej while everyone else self votes, worcej will get lynched and the alien will still be identified if there is a N1 infected player around.

Actually, we need five worcej voters to guarantee worcej gets lynched, since the alien could potentially vote for whoever worcej is voting for to put that player at four votes (if the alien has the extra vote from a N1 infected).

Just do it with a quick succession of endvotes. Much safer than the chaos of EOD.

[Vecna]

Explain how this helps?

Self voting will not kill the alien, it just has the potential to identify him. If the alien infected N1 and his infected is still alive, the alien is not going to kill himself by leaving his vote on himself at EOD. Also, worcej has made it clear he is not going to cooperate by self voting. If you, me, and rdrivera (the uncced driver) vote for worcej while everyone else self votes, worcej will get lynched and the alien will still be identified if there is a N1 infected player around.

Actually, we need five worcej voters to guarantee worcej gets lynched, since the alien could potentially vote for whoever worcej is voting for to put that player at four votes (if the alien has the extra vote from a N1 infected).

5 votes will be too many. We'll still have a pool of like 3-4 people that can contain the alien if Worcej ends up having the extra vote, which means if were unlucky the alien will still win.

[Vecna]

The alien wants to vote for me and get their infected player on me too, just an FYI for all you townies out there :)

Hmmm.

How about you just give your teammates an actual fighting chance and not fuck with the plan? Or are they really so chicken they wanna concede like the scum has done the last few games?

[Vecna]

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

I don't like this

To clarify - I like the idea in principle. I don't like bozo suggesting himself along with two others

Exactly. but then again, I dont think there are any three people id trust with this task in the game right now.

Id trust Jamiet and Rdrivera as the two only persons im convinced arent the alien.

The rest really hasnt done anything to make me convinced theyre not the alien, since the alien can be a top scumhunter all the same.

[Vecna]

I don't like this

To clarify - I like the idea in principle. I don't like bozo suggesting himself along with two others

The main problem is finding the four (not three) people to make this work. We might consider if it's worth the Alien cop to claim and give his two scans, then we already have three, but not sure it's it's worth.
But in the worst case we can restrict the alien possibility to 4 and still lynch Worcej, so it's not a bad plan.

If you read between the lines, I think we cannot bank on this either

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
You may all stone me for stepping in before a question is asked... but please note this quote from the game documents:

"The day will end as soon as a majority of players are voting to endhammer the same player"