MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[thamrick]

@emc - I know you hate doing it, but give me a couple reads here. Who do you have as most towny/most scummy?

[thamrick]

Not asking for a wall. Just a gut take

[Percy Williams]

After some thinking I'm going to follow jamie in that it's better to holster the gun. He's said why concisely in a post, and I said why as well


Raise your hand if you forgot Percy Williams was in this game (Raises hand). When talking about scum who are looking to kill alien d1 without raising suspicion he fits the bar amazingly, did nothing but post a few shitposts d1 and then had this

##VOTE EZIO since he is claiming to be the Alien.

I agree, we either way say nothing about our plan to catch the alien day three, It's downsides etc. But since we have someone who has claimed alien (for some reason) we should lynch 'em while we still can.
This could be day 2 or three as well, but I want to know now.

##VOTE EZIO

Which doesn't have the analysis of why it's better to vote off Ezio now, and just was like "meh I want to." He didn't hop off Ezio during redaction, but he ALSO hasn't given his opinion on him since. He's just entered the thread and continued shitposting, the definition of a lurk

Can you explain the last 4 to me?

The last 4 on this list are those who have posted less, the reasoning being that they have something to hide, instead of presuming they are an unhelpful scourge on humanity.

he also answered for bozo here which was kind of weird but I don't know what to make of it

I got behind around page 20, and still haven't fully caught up. I get really uncomfortable posting before I catch up in case I have died ( from a day gun or something) and I just don't know if yet. I agree with $$ NO SHOOT we really need to know the alignment of whoever dies. As far as staying on Ezio, that means nothing, I wasn't here for the finale of Day one. My answer to what bozo meant was also me being a little mad when people scumread for low-posting, because I am one due to deal life busy stuff. I also hoped to discredit that list since it
A had me on it
B didn't have any evidence
C was positive activity that I felt safe in doing.

I do realize I look alien, but I think the day 3 plan for catching alien is great, and I will comply.

[Percy Williams]

Anywhere the scum slips......

There are so many town points for making this a thing.

[thamrick]

So are you caught up now Percy?

[Percy Williams]

False.

A Townie shouldn't have to re-read to know what they want in the game. Inconsistency happens among town, but it is much more likely in scum. Especially when that inconsistency is agenda driven, like your scum reads that resulted.

Then you should scum read me every game because my opinion changes as people voice and discuss.

Your opinion should be changing, but it should be changing for good reason, as new information is available. What I take issue with is you saying that some of the players are scum because they wanted to leave Ezio alive during day 1, when you, throughout all of day 1, also expressed wanting to keep Ezio alive during day 1.

Changing opinions aside, as someone who wants to lynch Ezio, I can still see that he'd want to leave him alone because of the day three plan to catch the alien. This townleans him in my opinion.

(Unless none of what I say makes sense because I'm dealing with old information)

[Percy Williams]

So are you caught up now Percy?

Yes sorry, only took me a couple days.

[Percy Williams]

@emc - I know you hate doing it, but give me a couple reads here. Who do you have as most towny/most scummy?

I think Jamiet is Town.

[LordQuas]

xorxes was 100% wrong on that math, but I think him getting angry at Ezio there is legit very towny. It's such a minor issue there that I doubt a wolf decides to pursue that as far as he did, felt legit annoyed that ezio risked getting the gun messed with

I also find percy's response to me like, pretty bad but in a good way? I honestly was super null on the dude he's just been lurking, but his weird self awareness about being alien (but not scummy) as well as him talking about he's trying to lurk and not post content that risks him being exposed as not following the thread (at least I think that's what he's saying) is like he's defining what a lurking scum should be doing lol

Town points for being that honest though, if he's openwolfing to hell about how he's scummy props to him but he feels like a potatown

Also how did people not instantly realize darg was gooped when the mod said "darg hasn't subbed out and I can't announce why but they're co-modding"

[thamrick]

@emc - I know you hate doing it, but give me a couple reads here. Who do you have as most towny/most scummy?

I think Jamiet is Town.

Ok. Why?

[bo_sox48]

If you were so worried about the gun getting stolen why would you claim it in the first place??? Even if you were playing WIFOM with Mafia, you increased the chances of it being stolen from 1/15 to 50-50.

Where do you get 50-50?

Whether they believed him or not.

Reasonable.

[rdrivera2005]

I am starting to get paranoid and scum everybody. I should probably get some sleep.

I think Ezio play with the gun was atrocious, no need to claim that early, no info gained. But I don't see why scum would claim this gun.

##vote Moscow

[bo_sox48]

and it's not weird at all to want to appear scummy xD, don't see a difference in what you did and I did -- only difference is I've outright stated I do beforehand, which has either increased or decreased how much certain people scum read me

What the hell are you two talking about and why are you going out of your way to pat him on the shoulder and say "it's okay" like you're his big brother or something?

[dargorygel]

##GM Note
Official Vote Count 2.1
Vecna (1) Nephthys
Ezio (1) Jamiet99uk
MoscowFleet (1) rdrivera2005

Presently (and obviously) no one is presently set to be destroyed utterly from the face of the earth.
Lots of non voters
Lots of non posters
Lots of time left.

[bozotheclown]

Whether they believed him or not.

50/50 Either I win the lottery or I don't.

My 50-50 estimation seems much more reasonable than your 100-0.

Anyways, that's water under the bridge. I think you would have shot someone else if you were mafia, and in any case you probably wouldn't have claimed the gun, so I think you're likely town (and a very marginal chance you're alien).

RagingIke claimed a gun D1 as scum in M41 for the purpose of getting town read, and it worked well. It might have won the game for the mafia if his replacement had not been killed by the serial killer. Also, if dargorygel was town, he was a good choice for the shot because he could be justified as a top scum read.

##VOTE Ezio

[thamrick]

Hey bo, care to give me your current reads? Also, was darg your initial scumread that you mentioned you had a case on mid D1? If not, who?

[dargorygel]

##GM Note
Official Vote Count 2.2 (because I am still up staring at the computer)
MoscowFleet (2) rdrivera2005, bozotheclown
Vecna (1) Nephthys
Ezio (1) Jamiet99uk

Presently MoscowFleet is being eyed by the fates for doom, gloom, and an eternal room.
Lots of non voters (one less, though)
Lots of non posters
Lots of time left.

[bozotheclown]

##GM Note
Official Vote Count 2.2 (because I am still up staring at the computer)
MoscowFleet (2) rdrivera2005, bozotheclown
Vecna (1) Nephthys
Ezio (1) Jamiet99uk

Presently MoscowFleet is being eyed by the fates for doom, gloom, and an eternal room.
Lots of non voters (one less, though)
Lots of non posters
Lots of time left.

My vote is recorded incorrectly here.

[bo_sox48]

Hey bo, care to give me your current reads? Also, was darg your initial scumread that you mentioned you had a case on mid D1? If not, who?

Generally speaking, my current reads can be found in my post regarding the EOD that I posted during the night. You can add a townread of Squigs, a general vibe scumread of worcej (though I literally always general vibe scumread worcej), and a sneaking suspicion on xorxes. I don't know why. My main intention today given that darg is no longer an option is to go after Moscow a bit and see if I've hooked a big fish, but it's too early in the day right now for that. You can also consider the following, which happens to answer your second question.

My initial scumread was on Jamie, and it was both flimsy and entirely based on some observations I have made about his play in games past to differentiate his "anger" and his anger. It was legitimate but would probably not have gained any traction. Likewise, it would have been viewed as a massive OMGUS if I had come out with it, so I didn't. At this point I think his repetitive, overused "jokes" signify that he is trying too hard to appear like his totally normal, insert-synonym-for-grumpy-here self, and I also take issue with the little wagon that couldn't on him toward the end of day 1. I believe that there was scum activity on it and that it could have been a bus and encourage you to review it for yourself if you're actually interested in what I think as opposed to just asking me a bland, needless question at an otherwise dull time for you in this game.

My scumread on darg was entirely based on his actions in this game and I remain convinced that darg was probably scum, but we'll never know for sure I suppose.

[Percy Williams]

I don't really know what direction to go here. All is pretty quiet on the western front, and I only really have townreads, no scum or alien reads.