MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

this is not really unrelated but rereading Jamie's posts I've suddenly realized he's got a fucking hilarious sense of humor xD

there's so much deadpan or sarcasm that just leans the line of being absolutely serious

Why thank you.

[Vaporwave]

@Vapourwave

For the FOURTH time:

Why did you choose Moscowfleet as the person to shift my vote onto? Why Moscow?

- wanted to pick someone that wasn't a townlean and also someone that won't give away that I was the one manipulating

I expected you to vote right away but it didn't happen so I assumed you and Moscow are probably scum together since you refused to vote him

When I saw the EOD result, I've finally realised how this ability works

Moscow could def be scum, I'm not regretting placing your vote onto him

[Jamiet99uk]

No, it's simply the fact I'm pretty sure he's not town.

Would the claim/retraction be that damning, though? (afaik opinions on him are centered solely around that, since he's done about nothing else). As in, if Ezio is normally not someone who fakeclaims at all/has the balls for this type of shit, then yes, it would be suspicious as it'd be indicative of him having some other type of reassurance or going with someone else's plan, such as teammates or item (that isn't gun), etc...

but if he has shown tendencies, (which I wouldn't really know xD), then why does it seem so unlikely that he is town using iffy tactics? I mean, until he explains more about his testing (assuming near eon), it's still sorta nai, but the content that was produced day 1 as a result to me seems to be helpful, as well as it forces scum and alien to make several choices in the case that he's town (lol this might be too much tinfoil though, not gonna list here), which I feel is beneficial.

honestly, @Ezio; if you do turn out to be alien pretending to fakeclaim alien, gj XD

It's more than that. I also pointed out how his plan to fire the gun while there's no confirmed scum is inherently scummy. If he uses the Alien Gun, there is no flip. Therefore, he runs the risk of shooting a town *and* depriving town of any information about that person's alignment.

Moreover, his offering up of the matter of the gunshot to some kind of public plebiscite is also scummy, because it affords him a choice: If the voted target is not Mafia, shoot them and claim it wasn't his fault, he was just going with the majority. If the voted target is on his scumteam, retract his gun claim and say "ahahaha, that was another reaction test."

[e.m.c^42]

Ah yeah, for the choose-your-own-shot thing Ezio is doing, that's a good point--not to mention there's also the thing when he can go "oh it got stolen" :P

and then we'd be left wondering if that was true or not.

although, I'm not really believing in his gun claim lol
not until someone dies.

[Squigs44]

Well, I am caught up.

I honestly wanted to wait for the D3 strat of voting for ourselves, but if the group wants to take the alien out now then so be it - ##vote Ezio.

Back to work. I'll be around EOD on mobile.

FWIW - my scum pool is currently down to focusing on thamrick, Lord, and Ike for moving off of Ezio in the EOD spree because scum would not mind saving the alien lynch for another day.

A claimed alien should've been lynched D1 simply to confirm the basis of why that claim was made. Alien is not town aligned (duh). Randoming to someone else, in this case damo, would be a potential scum play to play to perverse a day for later.

Before EoD, you said you wanted to wait on Ezio, but moved over because of the group. After EoD, you are now scumreading people who moved off Ezio. Also, do you really think the vote on damo was "randoming"? You really should go re-read D1 before you push this case any further.

[rdrivera2005]

@Vapourwave

For the FOURTH time:

Why did you choose Moscowfleet as the person to shift my vote onto? Why Moscow?

- wanted to pick someone that wasn't a townlean and also someone that won't give away that I was the one manipulating

I expected you to vote right away but it didn't happen so I assumed you and Moscow are probably scum together since you refused to vote him

When I saw the EOD result, I've finally realised how this ability works

Moscow could def be scum, I'm not regretting placing your vote onto him

This is so unbelievable that it could be true.
Just one question, why didn't you ask the GM about how this item works?

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, I am caught up.

I honestly wanted to wait for the D3 strat of voting for ourselves, but if the group wants to take the alien out now then so be it - ##vote Ezio.

Back to work. I'll be around EOD on mobile.

FWIW - my scum pool is currently down to focusing on thamrick, Lord, and Ike for moving off of Ezio in the EOD spree because scum would not mind saving the alien lynch for another day.

A claimed alien should've been lynched D1 simply to confirm the basis of why that claim was made. Alien is not town aligned (duh). Randoming to someone else, in this case damo, would be a potential scum play to play to perverse a day for later.

Before EoD, you said you wanted to wait on Ezio, but moved over because of the group. After EoD, you are now scumreading people who moved off Ezio. Also, do you really think the vote on damo was "randoming"? You really should go re-read D1 before you push this case any further.

I like this observation. You've caught old Worcej out here I think.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vapourwave is hardclaiming village idiot.

[Squigs44]

Neph has a completely distinct type of interacting compared to his previous game where he randed scum. There he used charm and plenty of cutesy speech inserted in his walls

Now he's a different guy, I think he's experimenting with playstyles thus making it difficult to have him lean in a specific direction

Why this change, Neph?

He also has a completely different style of when he was town. I made a post on why I think this points to scum Neph rather than town Neph.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, I am caught up.

I honestly wanted to wait for the D3 strat of voting for ourselves, but if the group wants to take the alien out now then so be it - ##vote Ezio.

Back to work. I'll be around EOD on mobile.

FWIW - my scum pool is currently down to focusing on thamrick, Lord, and Ike for moving off of Ezio in the EOD spree because scum would not mind saving the alien lynch for another day.

A claimed alien should've been lynched D1 simply to confirm the basis of why that claim was made. Alien is not town aligned (duh). Randoming to someone else, in this case damo, would be a potential scum play to play to perverse a day for later.

Before EoD, you said you wanted to wait on Ezio, but moved over because of the group. After EoD, you are now scumreading people who moved off Ezio. Also, do you really think the vote on damo was "randoming"? You really should go re-read D1 before you push this case any further.

I noticed this post too. And people moved off Ezio after he retracted, so there is no logic to see scum trying to save Alien Ezio, they either tried to save scum (Ezio or Ike) or they are just misguided town.

[Vaporwave]

Just one question, why didn't you ask the GM about how this item works?

Our beloved GM explained all that I had to do aka pick a player and force his hand onto someone but there was no mention of GM manipulating the vote

I waited to see Jamie voting for Moscow which never really occurred. Point is, always ask GM, never assume things.

It feels like a waste, but I thought I would be lynched early or NK so better make use of it somehow Next time, I'll hide better for maximum impact

[Vaporwave]

call this the most 'uninspiring' use of an ability

so learn from my mistake, those of you with rays and guns and whatever, think twice and choose your targets carefully

[Jamiet99uk]

call this the most 'uninspiring' use of an ability

so learn from my mistake, those of you with rays and guns and whatever, think twice and choose your targets carefully

You know, you're right that the mechanics of your item weren't very clearly explained in the rules.

It's a standard feature here (and I believe on Mafiascum) that vote manipulations are only revealed at the end of the phase. Maybe ND assumed people knew that, but he should have made it clearer.

[dargorygel]

Not sure of my afternoon... so here is my EoN reads.

Bo_sox48… busy and then a very bo-ish set of declaration. None of them very engaging. The exchange with LQ seemed real on bo’s side. I am not sure I get why he townreads LQ after saying mostly negative things about him. Null to town.
Bozotheclown Some interaction as the day went on… his votes consistent with what he said he reads. Town.
Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.
Dargorygel townie wishing he was desperado again.
e.m.c^42 what I expect from Einstein. Lots of posts that seem to interact but don’t seem to go anywhere. Thinks out loud. Moved from slight scum to null on re-read.
Ezio I voted for Ezio most of the day because I believed him. When he recanted, I changed my vote, but didn’t have a lot of solid reason to vote for anyone else. Upon reading again, I disliked his unclaim. Wish I had stayed on him. He could have been doing his horse and pony show as scum or town. I assumed town.
Jamiet99uk While I see less policy orientation in this Jamiet, I don’t think that is AI. I think it is Jamiet upping his game. Slight town.
LordQuas His angry outbursts don’t seem to be content driven, but rather ‘anyone who speaks against me.’ That feels more scum than insecure town to me.
MoscowFleet I am always suspicious of MF. His votes at the end look like it might be a vote on Ike to LOOK like he’s voting on Ike… and a switch to Damo for a safe vote IF AND ONLY IF he is scum. But he sounds like MF here, if a bit quieter and shy. Null to town.
Nephthys disengaged, 3rd person-speak??, and looked like posting to post. I especially found shady his answer to vecna “what else do you want me to comment on?” when there wasn’t much ‘else.’ Scummy
Percy Williams,never moved out of joke phase? Some votes (ezio, worcej,) without reasons… I haven’t played with PW before (that I remember…) but feels null to scum.
Raging_Ike His ‘I haven’t read my PM” was reaction testing… and Ike being Ike. ; His posts taste casual and waiting… my gut says townish.
rdrivera2005 His meta is always all over the place. Here I found him disengaged and bored. But on second read, he had conversations with bo, bozo, and vecna. Slight town.
Squigs44 I like squiggs in this game. He seems open minded and searching. Some of his comments indicate that he’s reading (vapor’s repeat question, the day 3 thing, his discussion with vecna, eg) slight town
Thamrick started with potshots, but improved… in answer to your question, thamrick, “Darg doesn’t seem off this game.” Null to town
Vaporwave I ididn’t like vapor’s downplay of the alien… but I admit I am perhaps overly concerned. Vapor’s use of gun (or misuse) ends up with a town nudge for me. The mafia day chat would never let vapor use the gun like that.
Vecna Last game I commented on vecna’s read and comment method. I liked it. But I like it less… it caused him to be WAY behind at EoD… and it would allow him to comment without interaction (other than when he chose) as scum. But he asks good questions… and they seem townish to me.
Worcej… not the usual analyzing worcej. He blames it on the lack of the peterbot. So we’ll see if he becomes more himself. Busy-ness in real life is not AI… but he seems particularly absent. He seemed to have some miss-statements… but that can happen when catching up. I’ll read him again…
,xorxes No brilliant Poirot solves so far… but the days are young. Seems like xorxes. Null.

Alien: I expect the alien to be quiet, non attention seeking. So if we are looking, seek someone quiet who usually might not be.

[Squigs44]

Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.

Really? You think damo is scum?

[RagingIke297]

Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.

Really? You think damo is scum?

It's almost like he thinks it's D1 and he has an agenda that needs pushed or something

[RagingIke297]

Not sure of my afternoon... so here is my EoN reads.

Bo_sox48… busy and then a very bo-ish set of declaration. None of them very engaging. The exchange with LQ seemed real on bo’s side. I am not sure I get why he townreads LQ after saying mostly negative things about him. Null to town.
Bozotheclown Some interaction as the day went on… his votes consistent with what he said he reads. Town.
Damo666 I didn’t like his early greetings with Jamiet. And his short bursty posts through most of day 1 feel to me like he is trying to post for postings’ sake. Thus my gut feeling vote at the end of day 1… scum.
Dargorygel townie wishing he was desperado again.
e.m.c^42 what I expect from Einstein. Lots of posts that seem to interact but don’t seem to go anywhere. Thinks out loud. Moved from slight scum to null on re-read.
Ezio I voted for Ezio most of the day because I believed him. When he recanted, I changed my vote, but didn’t have a lot of solid reason to vote for anyone else. Upon reading again, I disliked his unclaim. Wish I had stayed on him. He could have been doing his horse and pony show as scum or town. I assumed town.
Jamiet99uk While I see less policy orientation in this Jamiet, I don’t think that is AI. I think it is Jamiet upping his game. Slight town.
LordQuas His angry outbursts don’t seem to be content driven, but rather ‘anyone who speaks against me.’ That feels more scum than insecure town to me.
MoscowFleet I am always suspicious of MF. His votes at the end look like it might be a vote on Ike to LOOK like he’s voting on Ike… and a switch to Damo for a safe vote IF AND ONLY IF he is scum. But he sounds like MF here, if a bit quieter and shy. Null to town.
Nephthys disengaged, 3rd person-speak??, and looked like posting to post. I especially found shady his answer to vecna “what else do you want me to comment on?” when there wasn’t much ‘else.’ Scummy
Percy Williams,never moved out of joke phase? Some votes (ezio, worcej,) without reasons… I haven’t played with PW before (that I remember…) but feels null to scum.
Raging_Ike His ‘I haven’t read my PM” was reaction testing… and Ike being Ike. ; His posts taste casual and waiting… my gut says townish.
rdrivera2005 His meta is always all over the place. Here I found him disengaged and bored. But on second read, he had conversations with bo, bozo, and vecna. Slight town.
Squigs44 I like squiggs in this game. He seems open minded and searching. Some of his comments indicate that he’s reading (vapor’s repeat question, the day 3 thing, his discussion with vecna, eg) slight town
Thamrick started with potshots, but improved… in answer to your question, thamrick, “Darg doesn’t seem off this game.” Null to town
Vaporwave I ididn’t like vapor’s downplay of the alien… but I admit I am perhaps overly concerned. Vapor’s use of gun (or misuse) ends up with a town nudge for me. The mafia day chat would never let vapor use the gun like that.
Vecna Last game I commented on vecna’s read and comment method. I liked it. But I like it less… it caused him to be WAY behind at EoD… and it would allow him to comment without interaction (other than when he chose) as scum. But he asks good questions… and they seem townish to me.
Worcej… not the usual analyzing worcej. He blames it on the lack of the peterbot. So we’ll see if he becomes more himself. Busy-ness in real life is not AI… but he seems particularly absent. He seemed to have some miss-statements… but that can happen when catching up. I’ll read him again…
,xorxes No brilliant Poirot solves so far… but the days are young. Seems like xorxes. Null.

Alien: I expect the alien to be quiet, non attention seeking. So if we are looking, seek someone quiet who usually might not be.

You gave everyone reads, who died D1?

[Jamiet99uk]

Yeah that's 100% fake from Dargorygel. He's just massively scumslipped there.

[LordQuas]

After some thinking I'm going to follow jamie in that it's better to holster the gun. He's said why concisely in a post, and I said why as well

On the plus side of vapor's action use I'm absolutely positive Vapor isn't alien based on his use of the ray gun, since he would have saved it to hide d3 or implicate someone else

Regarding Ezio's fake claim, I'm pretty sure you're going to see scum on BOTH sides of trying to get him lynched and trying to leave him alive, it's a win/win for them as if we killed him then, than they don't have to worry about alien, and if we left him alive for later, than they have a day where they don't have to worry about any of them getting lynched down the line. A scum is much less likely to get lynched day one

I agree with vecna's analysis of Moscow, but I also just skimmed back through his posts last game, and there's a HUGE difference in how he's talking about stuff, most obviously in his reaction to people shitposting

(this game) "Oh yeah, and Ike? Your shitposting isn't half-bad, but it's time to, y'know, play the game."

(last game) "Holy shit guys, are you fucking kidding me rn? 50 pages, half of them crimsonfox saying "I like this post"? If you have nothing useful to say kindly shut up so reading the thread isn't so horrible. Like this legitimately may be worse than discord mafia, sheesh."
"Fuck off, man. Some of us have lives. You should know there's too much spam when the fucking GM asks people to tone it down.


Almost everything Cfox has said has irritated me lol. I'm leaning scum because I seriously think he's spamming with the intent of making scumhunting more difficult."

he feels a LOT more subdued this game, his tone has totally shifted imo. He was scum last game so this is a good look, honestly lean town after that

Raise your hand if you forgot Percy Williams was in this game (Raises hand). When talking about scum who are looking to kill alien d1 without raising suspicion he fits the bar amazingly, did nothing but post a few shitposts d1 and then had this

##VOTE EZIO since he is claiming to be the Alien.

I agree, we either way say nothing about our plan to catch the alien day three, It's downsides etc. But since we have someone who has claimed alien (for some reason) we should lynch 'em while we still can.
This could be day 2 or three as well, but I want to know now.

##VOTE EZIO

Which doesn't have the analysis of why it's better to vote off Ezio now, and just was like "meh I want to." He didn't hop off Ezio during redaction, but he ALSO hasn't given his opinion on him since. He's just entered the thread and continued shitposting, the definition of a lurk

Squigs, Jamie, Percy Williams, worcej, dargorygel, bo_sox would all be OK.

Can you explain the last 4 to me?

The last 4 on this list are those who have posted less, the reasoning being that they have something to hide, instead of presuming they are an unhelpful scourge on humanity.

he also answered for bozo here which was kind of weird but I don't know what to make of it

[LordQuas]

Yeah that's 100% fake from Dargorygel. He's just massively scumslipped there.

I don't know if I would quantify that as a scum slip, town could easily make that mistake, but uh...

So darg referred to himself in the third person and made a read on himself, I'm thinking he may have copied that from a scum buddy