MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

*snipped a lot of vote moving description*

My interpretation of this sequence is the following: you all fucking suck.

Actual points:

• darg unvoted Ezio for no reason following Ezio's unclaim. His vote on LordQuas was shortlived. He did not make any effort to start a wagon or do anything at all. He then voted damo, in an apparent change of heart. Again, he did pretty much nothing other than make his actual vote and then... nothing. It is scummy as fuck to unvote someone who claimed third party (and is the leading wagon) simply because they retracted their claim, and if you disagree with me please do us a favor and message the GM saying you are not psychologically fit to play this game.

• Emc seemed fascinated and entertained by the sweepstakes of where his vote would land. He talked up his move off of Ezio before even doing it. He fucked around with his vote by starting an empty wagon on Neph with 4 minutes to go in the phase. If he's scum, he's the most nonchalant scum ever.

• LordQuas was extremely indecisive despite his apparent aggressiveness toward, well, everyone. He wanted to stay on Ezio, but realized it was prudent to jump off of him. Why was it prudent? That depends on his role. If he's town, it was prudent because the wagon was clearly losing momentum. If he's scum, it gets a whole lot more murky. The reasons I lean town on him after this sequence are a) he clearly thought his vote through each and every time despite the fast pace, b) he had ample opportunity to return to Ezio, either for a bus or a pile, and didn't, and c) he had the foresight to plan out where his vote might end up on wagons that weren't even in existence yet. Given the pace and general weirdness of it, I think he played this EOD quite well, and yes I am well aware that that is basically the antithesis of how I first saw it.

• Vaporwave looks like he had the time of his life this EOD. I need some of what he's smoking. Either a stupid townie or an incredibly, unbelievably stupid scumbag, but probably the former.

• At 3:38 PM, MoscowFleet was "indifferent" to any other lynch besides Jamie, who he voted for previously and then did not attempt to rally a wagon on really at all. At 3:50 PM, he had become emotional about the lynch, deploring the lead wagons Ezio and Ike. At 3:56 PM, he nonchalantly voted for damo without any fanfare. Moscow played EOD1 extremely conservatively and as far as I can tell he failed to even try to make any significant strides toward accomplishing anything that he wanted to at the end of the day. His EOD was scummy as hell.

• At 3:59 PM, bozo jumped off of Ezio onto damo. The vote was meaningless. However, the action was not. He had clearly read enough of the EOD to cast a new vote. He knew Ezio had retracted and knew that damo was a leading wagon. He had been keeping up, but did not post nor attempt to do anything substantial. I find that scummy.

• Ike's vote at 3:55 PM appears to have untied the vote and put himself in the lead. If I counted incorrectly and this is not the case, then this point is moot, but if I counted correctly, I do not see scum - or third party, for that matter - being so careless about the vote count when they are on the block that they would do that.

Im so confused by the sudden townlean again on LQ here? Do I interpret it correctly that this vote analysis made you change your mind? My impression of the last page was that youre scumreading him quite badly

[Vecna]

Neither Xorxes nor Vecna have obvtowned or solved the game for us yet. I'm getting worried.

Worry not babeh, its getting close, I can feel it.

[Vecna]

However on the subject of firing the Alien Gun tonight or in the morning I would say this:

The Alien Gun should not be fired unless we have a CONFIRMED scum.

By which I mean a CONFIRMED scum as a result of a guilty/M12 result on a cop/security scan declared by a player who has claimed their investigative role/item and has not been cc'ed.

In all other circumstances, since there is no flip, firing the gun would be a move that would provide more utility to scum than to town. It would remove from the game someone who is not necessarily scum, and without providing any additional information to town.

Ezio's willingness to do this is scum motivated.

If Ezio fires the gun without a plausible guilty scan claim, Ezio should be regarded as confirmed scum, and lynched.

Even though im getting to a point where I feel Jamiet is missing the obvious, the point about the janitoring aspect of that gun is really gonna leave behind a shitton of questions.

At the same time, waiting with firing that gun is gonna slightly increase the odds of the itemthief getting its hands on it, which would be really shit.

[rdrivera2005]

It was attorney.

I suspect most of the people pilling on Damo that have never ever made a comment about him and there were some.

$$shoot Vaporware

What? You want Vapor shot? What type of weird reasoning could you ever have for that

I fall to see any town motivation to use that item the way he did on D1 for "owning" Jamiet" or for shits and giggles.
But I concede that claiming to have used it isn't something scum would do.

So, maybe shot Moscow.

[Vecna]

I'm here now. I see the bot is still not working. While I catch up and look for a vote count, has anything important happened since last night?

Have Ike and bo read their role PMs yet?

Really hoping Xorxes is gonna do interesting stuff anytime soon after this post

Note that this didnt really happen

[Vecna]

Come on man, I agree with your conclusion but honestly, no one defends themselves in the first 24 hours of D1.

You are tunneling hard

Even though I see what you see, why tell someone off when theyre finding reasons to lynch someone that youre also scumreading? Thats what your saying here right?

Also of the little posts that Neph made, I do not really get why he chose this of all things to comment on.

I was around

What else do you want me to comment on?

Why are you asking me what I want you to comment on?

Just do your own thing and be judged for it.

[Vecna]

Yeah, pass. I'm not a wagon analytics guy, everyone that votes me sucks

Nice. Definitely not a scum reaction when in the face of almost being lynched.

Yep, my scumread on Ike have been vanishing after EOD.

He did that before EOD though and you continued voting him after he did so. Mind walking me through why?

[Vecna]

So just to conclude some really important take home messages from the last 3 pages:

1. If Ezio is Mafia, so is Bo_Sox.

2. If Ezio is Town, Bo_Sox is probably the Alien.

3. If Ezio is the Alien, he made a serious error of judgement.

Christ, what?

Don't just quote this in isolation. Read the chain of discussions between me, Bo_Sox and Lord Quas that led to this conclusion.

I did

[rdrivera2005]

Nice. Definitely not a scum reaction when in the face of almost being lynched.

Yep, my scumread on Ike have been vanishing after EOD.

He did that before EOD though and you continued voting him after he did so. Mind walking me through why?

Because he only did that near EOD and I didn't see a reason to lynch a missing Damo.
But in fact, I was looking the bot now and if someone was saved D1 it was Ike and not Ezio, so I don't rule out Ike being scum. But shooting him is a bad idea as it will give no info about EOD D1, better lynch him.

[e.m.c^42]

Who is joking?

Not me.

If the question is, who would I shoot right now if I had a gun, the answer is that I would shoot Ezio. No joke. My legit choice.

lol did you really dislike him that much? huh

[worcej]

I forgot about both Percy and worcej this game.

Worcej's play seems like he didn't care at all 24 hours into the game. He drops in with 43 minutes till EoD and casually votes Ezio then dips. I don't like his apathy.

That's my typical D1, especially with a busy work day. I find D1 is almost worthless to catch a scum via reads until EOD happens and we can analyze it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Who is joking?

Not me.

If the question is, who would I shoot right now if I had a gun, the answer is that I would shoot Ezio. No joke. My legit choice.

lol did you really dislike him that much? huh

No, it's simply the fact I'm pretty sure he's not town.

[worcej]

FWIW - my scum pool is currently down to focusing on thamrick, Lord, and Ike for moving off of Ezio in the EOD spree because scum would not mind saving the alien lynch for another day.

A claimed alien should've been lynched D1 simply to confirm the basis of why that claim was made. Alien is not town aligned (duh). Randoming to someone else, in this case damo, would be a potential scum play to play to perverse a day for later.

[e.m.c^42]

No, it's simply the fact I'm pretty sure he's not town.

Would the claim/retraction be that damning, though? (afaik opinions on him are centered solely around that, since he's done about nothing else). As in, if Ezio is normally not someone who fakeclaims at all/has the balls for this type of shit, then yes, it would be suspicious as it'd be indicative of him having some other type of reassurance or going with someone else's plan, such as teammates or item (that isn't gun), etc...

but if he has shown tendencies, (which I wouldn't really know xD), then why does it seem so unlikely that he is town using iffy tactics? I mean, until he explains more about his testing (assuming near eon), it's still sorta nai, but the content that was produced day 1 as a result to me seems to be helpful, as well as it forces scum and alien to make several choices in the case that he's town (lol this might be too much tinfoil though, not gonna list here), which I feel is beneficial.

honestly, @Ezio; if you do turn out to be alien pretending to fakeclaim alien, gj XD

[e.m.c^42]

this is not really unrelated but rereading Jamie's posts I've suddenly realized he's got a fucking hilarious sense of humor xD

there's so much deadpan or sarcasm that just leans the line of being absolutely serious

[RagingIke297]

I forgot about both Percy and worcej this game.

Worcej's play seems like he didn't care at all 24 hours into the game. He drops in with 43 minutes till EoD and casually votes Ezio then dips. I don't like his apathy.

That's my typical D1, especially with a busy work day. I find D1 is almost worthless to catch a scum via reads until EOD happens and we can analyze it.

So what's your EOD 1 analysis?

[Vaporwave]

Neph has a completely distinct type of interacting compared to his previous game where he randed scum. There he used charm and plenty of cutesy speech inserted in his walls

Now he's a different guy, I think he's experimenting with playstyles thus making it difficult to have him lean in a specific direction

Why this change, Neph?

[Vaporwave]

1 big hairy scum in Jamiet/Quas, staring at Quas currently

that's all I can offer right now. Oh and dargo possibly

[Vaporwave]

My towns
xorxes - e.m.c - rivera - Squigs - thamrick - Vecna - Ezio


Those that weren't mentioned need proding

[Jamiet99uk]

@Vapourwave

For the FOURTH time:

Why did you choose Moscowfleet as the person to shift my vote onto? Why Moscow?