MAFIA 43 - GAME THREAD

[RagingIke297]

Just had a quick read through and had to respond to that post - it made me laugh. Was it deliberate?

Haven't had time to think about the plan so won't comment on it at the mo. Busy for next few hours but will be back later.

Btw where are the Sinn Feiners? Welsh Nationalists? Greens? Independents?

(Only joking Jamie).

1st part seems awfully self-aware

2nd sentence about being back later reminds me of myself when I'm scum letting the thread now that I 'will do stuff'

my theory that attorney + damo are scumbomb stands

Why did you edit the quote?

No reason?

So you tampered with a quote for no reason?

[Vaporwave]

So you tampered with a quote for no reason?

it wasn't anything related to his serious content, I edited the part where he jests to Jamiet

[Ezio]

zzz.

We threw away easy clears for a bunch of bullshit. We'll see how this goes rip.

I'm a conservative as I'm sure some of you picked up on after I said liberal instead of labor.

How did we throw away easy clears? We can still have a more specific claim for non conservatives later

Xorxes' first plan, the one that was thrown out shortly after, was a phenominal plan. We'd have all 5 of the labor backbenchers claim. If mafia don't CC we have 5 clears. If mafia do, which they will, we will know exactly how many mafia there are in the backbenchers pool and once they're found the rest are clears.

With this second plan it's gonna be impossible to know exactly how many mafia are on each side, so it's gonna be impossible to know when townies are clear.

[Ezio]

I'm really sorry for what I'm about to say, but it has been bugging me since last game ended

I keep thinking of it and there's no proof

I actually thought town cheated in the game recently ended. Sorry, but it was too perfect

Tom correctly guessing 2 scums, cop keeping it quiet, desperado killing 3 scums in a row

Nah, it seemed UNREAL. Like, I'm all for accepting a town victory even if I'm the opposite alignment, but what happened last game was supernatural

Sorry for having this thought, it's not to shade anyone, if it was no cheating, they were the most skilled players I've witnessed since I started playing mafia

The place for this conversation was in the endgame discussion, not this one.

[Vaporwave]

The place for this conversation was in the endgame discussion, not this one.

it's not for discussion, just letting it out

what's your take on EMC?

[Nephthys]

I found a minor flaw in my plan: If every town (except for the Party Cop) is required to tell the truth, then at the end of the day scum will know if the PC has lied or not, and so they will know in which side of the house they have to look for them.

Fortunately there's an easy fix: Only conservative townies (other than the PC) are required to be truthful. Most non-conservatives should also be truthful (so as not to add noise into the scumpool) but one or two should probably lie and say they're conservatives, as that helps protect the valuable PC. This way scum don't know where to look for the PC, because they don't know if they lied or not.

Non-conservatives claiming conservative doesn't affect the reliability of the PC's scans. They scan in the non-conservative pool and if they get conservative (or DUP) it's a guilty and if they get anything else it's a clear.

Town has no way of knowing when "one or two" non-conservatives have claimed conservative, so I do not see how this modification could be successfully implemented. Too many non-conservatives claiming conservative will minimize the benefits of the plan.

Correct, therefore use your judgement.

Main thing is that the 4 conservative backbenchers claim conservative.

The PM should probably claim conservative but there may be reasons not to, so it's up to them.

The Party Cop should probably NOT claim conservative but there may be reasons for them to claim conservative, so it's up to them.

Every other townie should claim non-conservative unless they think it's a good idea for them to mess with Mafia, which may not be a bad idea for one or two to do. Use your judgement.

As for Mafia, I'm not going to tell them what their best strategy is. Anyone who discusses their best strategy is scummy.

I will assume that anyone who has not claimed before EOD is claiming non-conservative by default.

So I'm gonna add my thoughts about this whole plan thing now.

I think it is a good plan in essence.

Currently there are too many variables and possible plays being outlined that I'm super confused what the concrete plan actually is.

Obviously its still gonna be hard (ie if we get two town to fakeclaim to hide the PC then who does?) but I still think that we need more direction to make the most of it.

Regardless, I clam conservative as with all this muddiness I still think we get a net gain out of it as has already been mentioned.

[Nephthys]

Fridays and Saturdays are notoriously slow, couple that with BB being distracted in the Sci-fi simulator and Jamie GMing and you've got the makings of a 30 page D1

Yeah, that's rather true :D

am sorta waiting for Moscow and Neph to appear haha, it's fun to read Neph's analysis walls and I want to see if Moscow changes, he seems to be a person that's...conscientious?

Someone actually reads them??? For that I'm gonna give you a nice wall to read over

[Foxcastle]

Conservative (in order of claims):
brainbomb
xorxes
Durga
flash
rdrivera
Attorney
Damo
RagingIke
Nephthys

Non-conservative:
ND
Squigs
Percy Williams
Vapor
emc
worcej
bozo
Foxcastle

No claim:
Ezio
MoscowFleet
Thamrick
Vecna

[xorxes]

Just had a quick read through and had to respond to that post - it made me laugh. Was it deliberate?

Haven't had time to think about the plan so won't comment on it at the mo. Busy for next few hours but will be back later.

Btw where are the Sinn Feiners? Welsh Nationalists? Greens? Independents?

(Only joking Jamie).

Just had a quick read through and had to respond to that post - it made me laugh. Was it deliberate?

Haven't had time to think about the plan so won't comment on it at the mo. Busy for next few hours but will be back later.

Btw where are the Feiners? Nationalists? Independents?

(Only joking Jamie).

1st part seems awfully self-aware

2nd sentence about being back later reminds me of myself when I'm scum letting the thread now that I 'will do stuff'

my theory that attorney + damo are scumbomb stands

Why did you edit the quote?

That's so weird.

[e.m.c^42]

So you tampered with a quote for no reason?

it wasn't anything related to his serious content, I edited the part where he jests to Jamiet

Aii....I'd suggest not editing quotes at all in the future, unless you point out that you did it (for example, the [snip] is very useful), or bolding/changing color to your edits, etc...

It just leaves a bad taste, and it's not....someone else can word this better than me, not sure how to put it atm.

[Vaporwave]

emc sometimes I edit to reply to a question and not quote walls, just the important part

it shouldn't matter since I'm not editing my own message, I play with others'

[xorxes]

Conservative (in order of claims):
brainbomb
xorxes
Durga
flash
rdrivera
Attorney
Damo
RagingIke
Nephthys

Non-conservative:
ND
Squigs
Percy Williams
Vapor
emc
worcej
bozo
Foxcastle

No claim:
Ezio
MoscowFleet
Thamrick
Vecna

Ezio already claimed conservative before Neph.

[Foxcastle]

Conservative (in order of claims):
brainbomb
xorxes
Durga
flash
rdrivera
Attorney
Damo
RagingIke
Ezio
Nephthys

Non-conservative:
ND
Squigs
Percy Williams
Vapor
emc
worcej
bozo
Foxcastle

No claim:
MoscowFleet
Thamrick
Vecna

[xorxes]

emc sometimes I edit to reply to a question and not quote walls, just the important part

it shouldn't matter since I'm not editing my own message, I play with others'

Quoting just the relevant parts is reasonable. Changing things like "Welsh Nationalists" to "Nationalists" is plain weird.

[Foxcastle]

emc sometimes I edit to reply to a question and not quote walls, just the important part

it shouldn't matter since I'm not editing my own message, I play with others'

Quoting just the relevant parts is reasonable. Changing things like "Welsh Nationalists" to "Nationalists" is plain weird.

Also, editing "Damo666" to "Dam" in the link...

[Vaporwave]

that was actually a mistake, I wanted to leave 'damo' in full but without the satanic numbers

[RagingIke297]

emc sometimes I edit to reply to a question and not quote walls, just the important part

it shouldn't matter since I'm not editing my own message, I play with others'

Quoting just the relevant parts is reasonable. Changing things like "Welsh Nationalists" to "Nationalists" is plain weird.

Also, editing "Damo666" to "Dam" in the link...

I could see snipping the joke, but why edit it and the name? Seems like he's trying to cause confusion as to who posted and what they said instead of drawing eyes to the parts he wanted to

[e.m.c^42]

emc sometimes I edit to reply to a question and not quote walls, just the important part

it shouldn't matter since I'm not editing my own message, I play with others' ;)

I mean, cutting out everything except for the sentences you're referring to is fine, i.e. if you did this:

Just had a quick read through and had to respond to that post - it made me laugh. Was it deliberate?

Haven't had time to think about the plan so won't comment on it at the mo. Busy for next few hours but will be back later.

It'd be fine.

But changing small things like that 1) Makes it easy to set up for changing more later on, since if people get used to small edits, it becomes normalized and allows someone to manipulate a lot easier--which really seems on the suspicious side, and 2) Changes the "feeling" of the quote, since small details make the person and context.

mainly the 1st point tho xD (and it's like a local ethics thing, as well as in the rules iirc: Jamie seems hardass enough to adhere for this type of thing)

[e.m.c^42]

What is Vapor doing XD

[Vaporwave]

But changing small things like that 1) Makes it easy to set up for changing more later on, since if people get used to small edits, it becomes normalized and allows someone to manipulate a lot easier--which really seems on the suspicious side, and 2) Changes the "feeling" of the quote, since small details make the person and context.

mainly the 1st point tho xD (and it's like a local ethics thing, as well as in the rules iirc: Jamie seems hardass enough to adhere for this type of thing)

understood